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UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA

DEBATES OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

FIRST SESSION—SEVENTH PARLIAMENT

26th May to 22nd June, 1933

Vols. 21

CONTENTS

Pages

The Ministry iii Members of the House of Assembly and the Electoral Divisions represented by them iv-v Alphabetical List of Electoral Divisions and their Representatives in the House of Assembly vi-vii Acts of the Session in (I) Alphabetical and (II) Chronological Order x-xi Sessional and Select Committees xii

Col. Nos.

The Debates Vol. 21 1-1480

Pages

Index to Subjects 1-6 Index to Speeches 7-20

THE MINISTRY.

Prime Minister	Gen. the Hon. J. B. M. HERTZOG, M.P.,
Minister of External Affairs	Gen. the Hon. J. B. M. HERTZOG, M.P.,
Minister of Justice	Gen. the Right Hon. J. C. SMUTS, P.C., C.H., K.C., D.T.D., M.P.
Minister of Finance	The Hon. N. C. HAVENGA, M.P.
Minister of Mines	The Hon. P. DUNCAN, K.C., C.M.G., M.P.
Minister of Native Affairs	The Hon. P. G. W. GROBLER, M.P.
Minister of Railways and Harbours	Minister of Defence
The Hon. O. PIROW, K.C., M.P.	Minister of Defence
Minister of Agriculture	Gen. the Hon. J. C. G. KEMP. M.P.
Minister of Labour	Minister of Commerce and Industries
The Hon. A. P. J. FOURIE, M.P.	Minister of Commerce and Industries
Minister of Lands	Col. the Hon. D. REITZ, M.P.
Minister of the Interior	The Hon. J. H. HOFMEYR, M.P.
Minister of Public Health
Minister of Education
Minister of Posts and Telegraphs	Senator the Hon. C. F. CLARKSON.
Minister of Public Works	Senator the Hon. C. F. CLARKSON.
Minister Without Portfolio	The Hon. R. STUTTAFORD, M.P.

From the 6th June the Minister of Lands acted for the Minister of Justice; the Minister of Mines acted for the Minister of Finance; and the Minister Without Portfolio acted for the Minister of Railways and Harbours.

MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

AND THE ELECTORAL DIVISIONS REPRESENTED BY THEM.

SPEAKER: The Hon. E. G. Jansen, M.P.

DEPUTY-SPEAKER AND CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES: The Hon. C. J. Krige, M.P.

DEPUTY-CHAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES: The Rev. B. R. Hattingh, M.P.

Abrahamson, H. Weenen.
Alberts, S. F. Magaliesberg.
Alexander, M., K.C.—Cape Town (Castle).

Badenhorst, A. L.—Riversdale.
Bain-Marais, C.—Boksburg (North).
Baines, A. C. V.—Kingwilliamstown.
Basson, P. N.—Beaufort West.
Bates, F. T.—Uitenhage.
Baumann, Dr. E. P.—Rosettenville.
Bawden, W.—Langlaagte.
Bekker, J. F. van G.— Cradock.
Bekker, S. P.—Witbank.
Bekker, S.—Wodehouse.
Bergh, P. A.—Malmesbury.
Blackwell, L., K.C., M.C.—Kensington.
Bouwer, G. S.—Boksburg.
Bowen, R. W.—Cape Town (Central).
Bowie, J. A.—East London (City).
Bremer, Dr. K.—Graaff-Reinet.
Brits, G. P.—Losberg.
Byron, Brig.-Gen. the Hon. J. J, C.M.G., D.S.O.—East London (North).

Chalmers, J.—Rondebosch.
Cilliers, A. A.—Harrismith.
Cochrane, W.—Klip River.
Collins, Col.-Cdt. W. R., D.T.D., D.S.O.— Ermelo.
Conroy, E. A.—Vredefort.
Coulter, C. W. A.—Cape Town (Gardens).
Creswell, Hon. F. H. P., D.S.O.—Bellville.

Deane, Hon. W. A.—Pietermaritzburg (North).
Derbyshire, J. G.—Durban (Greyville).
De Souza, E.—Lydenburg.
De Villiers, P. C.—Klerksdorp.
De Villiers, W. B.—Stellenbosch.
De Waal, J. H. H.—Piquetberg.
De Wet, J. C.—Wepener.
De Wet, S. D.—Heidelberg, Transvaal.
Duncan, Hon. P., K.C., C.M.G.—Yeoville.
Du Plessis, P. J.—Bechuanaland.
Du Toit, Rev. C. W. M.—Colesberg.
Du Toit, Col. M. S. W.—Pretoria (West).
Du Toit, P. P.—Paarl.
Du Toit, R. J.—Maitland.

Eaton, A. H. J.—Durban (County).
Egeland, L.—Durban (Berea).
Erasmus, F. C.—Moorreesburg.

Fagan, H. A., K.C.—Swellendam.
Faure, P. A. B.—Hottentots Holland.
Fick, Rev. M. L.—Potchefstroom.
Fourie, Hon. A. P. J.—Gordonia.

Geldenhuys, C. H. Prieska.
Gerdener, H.—George.
Giovanetti, C. W., C.B.E.—Pretoria (East).
Gray, C. W.—Griqualand.
Grobler, J. H.—Brits.
Grobler, Hon. P. G. W.—Rustenburg.

Hattingh, Rev. B. R.—Krugersdorp (Deputy-Chairman of Committees).
Havenga, Hon. N. C.—Fauresmith.
Haywood, J. J.—Bloemfontein (South).
Henderson, R. H., C.M.G.—Hospital.
Hertzog, Gen. the Hon. J. B. M.—Smithfield-Rouxville.
Heyns, J. D.—Middelburg, Transvaal).
Heyns, G. C. S.—North Rand.
Higgerty, J. W.—Von Brandis.
Hirsch, J. G.—Port Elizabeth (South).
Hockly, R. A.—Fort Beaufort.
Hofmeyr, Hon. J. H.—Johannesburg (North).
Humphreys, W. B.—Beaconsfield.

Jansen, Hon. E. G.— Vryheid (Speaker).
Jooste, J. P.—Bethal.
Joubert, Capt. F. A.—Mowbray.

Kayser, C. F.—Port Elizabeth (North).
Kemp, Gen. the Hon. J. C. G.—Wolmaransstad.
Kentridge, M.—Troyeville.
Kotzé, Sir R. N., Kt.— Springs.
Krige, Hon. C. J.—Caledon (Deputy-Speaker and Chairman of Committees).
Krige, J. E. J.—Worcester.

Lawrence, H. G.—Salt River.
Le Roux, S. P.—Oudtshoorn.
Luttig, P. J. H.—Victoria West.

MacCallum, A. J.—Woodstock.
Madeley, Hon. W. B.—Benoni.
Malan, Dr. the Hon. D. F.—Calvinia.
Malan, M. L.—Heilbron.
Martins, P. van der M.—Wakkerstroom.
Marwick, J. S.—Illovo.
McArthur, Col. R. T.—Durban (Umbilo).

Naudé, J. F. T.—Pietersburg.
Naudé, Rev. S. W.—Potgietersrust.
Nel, O. R.—Newcastle.
Nicholls, G. H.—Zululand.

O’Brien, W. J., O.B.E.—Pietermaritzburg (District).
Oost, H.—Pretoria (District).
Oppenheimer, Sir E., Kt.—Kimberley.

Payn, A. O. B.—Tembuland.
Pienaar, J. J.—Marico.
Pirow, Hon. O., K.C.—Gezina.
Pocock, P. V.— Pretoria (Central).
Pretorius, J. S. F.—Fovdsburg.

Raubenheimer, I. van W.— Kururnan.
Reitz, Col. the lion. D.—Barberton.
Reitz, Dr. H.—Jeppes.
Reitz, Mrs. L. A. B.—Parktown.
Reynolds, L. F.—Natal Coast.
Roberts, Maj. F. J.—Vrededorp.
Robinson, C. P.—Durban (Stamford Hill).
Robinson, Sir J. B., Bart. Wynberg.
Rood, Maj. K.—Vereeniging.
Rood, W. H.—Carolina.
Rooth, E. A.—Zoutpansberg.
Roux, J. W. J. W.—Ceres.

Sauer, P. O.—Humansdorp.
Scholz, J. J.—Mossel Bay.
Sephton, C. A. A.—Aliwai.
Shaw, F.—Bloemfontein (North).
Smuts, Gen. the Right Hon. J. C., P.C., C.H., K.C., D.T.D.—Standerton.
Stallard, Col. C. F., K.C., D.S.O., M.C.— Roodepoort.
Steenkamp, Dr. W. P.—Namaqualand.
Steyn, G. P.—Willowmore.
Steytler, L. J.—Albert.
Strauss, J. G. N.—Germiston.
Struben, R. H., O.B.E.— Albany.
Strydom, J. G.—Waterberg.
Sturrock, F. C.—Turffontein.
Stuttaford, Hon. R.—Claremont.
Sutton, S. S.—Durban (Umlazi).
Swanepoel, A. J. —Lichtenburg.
Swart, C. R.—Ladybrand.

Terreblanche, Lt.-Col. P. J.—Kroonstad.
Theron, P.—Hopetown.
Tothill, H. A.—Bezuidenhout.

Van Broekhuizen, Dr. H. D.—Wonderboom.
Van Coller, C. M.—Cathcart.
Van der Byl, Maj. P. V. G., M.C.—Bredasdorp.
Van der Merwe, Dr. N. J.—Winburg.
Van der Merwe, R. A. T.—Bethlehem.
Van Heerden, G. C.—Queenstown.
Van Rensburg, J. J.—Boshof.
Van Zyl, Maj. G. B.—Sea Point.
Verster, J. D. H., D.T.D., M.C. Zwartruggens.
Viljoen, J. H.—Hoopstad.
Visser, W. J. M.—Senekal.
Vosloo, L. J.—Somerset.

Wadley, T. M.— Durban (Point).
Wares, Col. A. P. J.—Port Elizabeth (Central). Waterson, S. F.—South Peninsula.
Wentzel, J. J.—Christiana.
Wentzel, L. M.—Delarey.
Wessels, J. B.—Frankfort.
Wilkens, Col. J.—Ventersdorp.

Zeeman, P. J. G.—Brakpan.

CLERK OF THE HOUSE : Dant. H. Visser.

ALPHABETICAL LIST OF ELECTORAL DIVISIONS

AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES IN THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY.

Albany.— Struben, R. H., O.B.E.
Albert.—Steytler, L. J.
Aliwal.—Sephton, C. A. A.

Barberton.—Reitz, Col. the Hon. D.
Beaconsfield.—Humphreys, W. B.
Beaufort West.—Basson, P. N.
Bechuanaland.—Du Plessis, P. J.
Bellville.—Creswell, Hon. F. H. P., D.S.O.
Benoni.—Madeley, Hon. W. B.
Bethal.—Jooste, J. P.
Bethlehem.—Van der Merwe, R. A. T.
Bezuidenhout.— Tothill, H. A.
Bloemfontein (North).—Shaw, F.
Bloemfontein (South).—Haywood, J. J.
Boksburg.—Bouwer, G. S.
Boksburg (North).—Bain-Marais, C.
Boshof.—Van Rensburg, J. J.
Brakpan.—Zeeman, P. J. G.
Bredasdorp.—Van der Byl, Maj. P. V. G., M.C.
Brits.—Grobler, J. H.

Caledon.—Krige, Hon. C. J. (Deputy-Speaker and Chairman of Committees).
Calvinia.— Malan, Dr. the Hon. D. F.
Cape Town (Castle).— Alexander, M., K.C.
Cape Town (Central).—Bowen, R. W.
Cape Town (Gardens).—Coulter, C. W. A.
Carolina.—Rood, W. H.
Cathcart.—Van Collet, C. M.
Ceres.—Roux, J. W. J. W.
Christiana.—Wentzel, J. J.
Claremont.—Stuttaford, Hon. R.
Colesberg.—Du Toit, Rev. C. W. M.
Cradock.—Bekker, J. F. van G.

Delarey.—Wentzel, L. M.
Durban (Berea).—Egeland, L.
Durban (County).—Eaton, A. H. J.
Durban (Greyville).—Derbyshire, J. G.
Durban (Point).—Wadley, T. M.
Durban (Stamford Hill).—Robinson, C. P.
Durban (Umbilo).—McArthur, Col. R. T.
Durban (Umlazi).—Sutton, S. S.

East London (City).—Bowie, J. A.
East London (North).—Byron, Brig.-Gen. the Hon. J. J., C.M.G., D.S.O.
Ermelo.—Collins, Clo.-Cdt. W. R., D.T.D., D.S.O.

Fauresmith.—Havenga, Hon. N. C.
Fordsburg.—Pretorius, J. S. F.
Fort Beaufort.—Hoekly, R. A.
Frankfort.—Wessels, J. B.

George.—Gerdener, H.
Germiston.—Strauss, J. G. N.
Gezina.— Pirow, Hon. O., K.C.
Gordonia.—Fourie, Hon. A. P. J.
Graaff-Reinet.—-Bremer, Dr. K.
Griqualand.—Gray, C. W.

Harrismith.—Cilliers, A. A.
Heidelberg.—De Wet, S. D.
Heilbron.—Malan, M. L.
Hoopstad.—Viljoen, J. H.
Hopetown. Theron, P.
Hospital.—Henderson, R. H., C.M.G.
Hottentots Holland.—Faure, P. A. B.
Humansdorp.—Sauer, P. O.

Illovo.—Marwick, J. S.

Jeppes.—Reitz, Dr. H.
Johannesburg (North).—Hofmeyr, Hon. J. H.

Kensington.—Blackwell, L., K.C., M.C.
Kimberley.—Oppenheimer, Sir E., Kt.
Kingwilliamstown.—Baines, A. C. V.
Klerksdorp.—De Villiers, P. C.
Klip River.—Cochrane, W.
Kroonstad.—Terreblanche, Lt.-Col. P. J.
Krugersdorp.—Hattingh, Rev. B. R. (Deputy-Chairman of Committees).
Kuruman.—Raubenheimer, I. van W.

Ladybrand.—Swart, C. R.
Langlaagte.—Bawden, W.
Lichtenburg.—Swanepoel, A. J.
Losberg.—Brits, G. P.
Lydenburg.—De Souza, E.

Magaliesberg.—Alberts, S. F.
Maitland.—Du Toit, R. J.
Malmesbury.—Bergh, P. A.
Marico.—Pienaar, J. J.
Middelburg.—Heyns, J. D.
Moorreesburg.—Erasmus, F. C.
Mossel Bay. —Scholtz, J. J.
Mowbray.—Joubert, Capt. F. A.

Namaqualand. Steenkamp, Dr. W. P.
Natal Coast. Reynolds, L. F.
Newcastle.—Nel, O. R.
North Rand.—Heyns, G. C. S.

Oudtshoorn.—Le Roux, S. P.

Paarl.—Du Toit, P. P.
Parktown.—Reitz, Leila A. B.
Pietermaritzburg (District).—O’Brien, W. J., O.B.E.
Pietermaritzburg (North).—Deane, Hon. W. A.
Pietersburg.—Naudé, J. F. T.
Piquetberg.—De Waal, Hon. J. H. H.
Port Elizabeth (Central).—Wares, Col. A. P. J.
Port Elizabeth (North).—Kayser, C. F.
Port Elizabeth (South).—Hirsch, J. G.
Potchefstroom.—Fick, Rev. M. L.
Potgietersrust.—Naudé, Rev. S. W.
Pretoria (Central).—Pocock, P. V.
Pretoria (District).—Oost, H.
Pretoria (East).—Giovanetti, C. W., C.B.E.
Pretoria (West).—Du Toit, Col. M. S. W.
Prieska.—Geldenhuys, C. H.

Queenstown.—Van Heerden, G. C.

Riversdale.—Badenhorst, A. L.
Rondebosch.—Chalmers, J.
Roodepoort.—Stallard, Col. C. F., K.C., D.S.O., M.C.
Rosettenville.—Baumann, Dr. E. P.
Rustenburg.—Grobler, Hon. P. G. W.

Salt River.—Lawrence, H. G.
Sea Point.— Van Zyl, Maj. G. B.
Senckal.—Visser, W. J. M.
Smithfield-Rouxville.—Hertzog, Gen. the Hon. J. B. M.
Somerset.—Vosloo, L. J.
South Peninsula.—Waterson, S. F.
Springs.—Kotzé, Sir R. N., Kt.
Standerton.—Smuts, Gen. the Right Hon. J. C., P.C., C.H., K.C., D.T.D.
Stellenbosch.—De Villiers, W. B.
Swellendam.—Fagan, H. A. K.C.

Tembuland.—Payn, A. O. B.
Troyeville.—Kentridge, M.
Turffontein.—Sturrock, F. C.

Uitenhage.—Bates, F. T.

Ventersdorp.—Wilkins, Col. J.
Vereeniging.—Rood, Maj. K.
Victoria West.—Luttig, P. J. H.
Von Brandis.—Higgerty, J. W.
Vrededorp.—Roberts, Maj. F. J.
Vredefort.—Conroy, E. A.
Vryheid.—Jansen, Hon. E. G. (Speaker).

Wakkerstroom.—Martins, P. v. d. M.
Waterberg.—Strydom, J. G.
Weenen.—Abrahamson, H.
Wepener.—De Wet, J. C.
Willowmore.—Steyn, G. P.
Winburg.—Van der Merwe, Dr. N. J.
Witbank.—Bekker, S. P.
Wodehouse.—Bekker, S.
Wolmaransstad.—Kemp. Gen. the Hon. J. C. G.
Wonderboom.—Van Broekhuizen, Rev. H. D.
Woodstock.—MacCallum, A. J.
Worcester.—Krige, J. E. J.
Wynberg.—Robinson, Sir J. B., Bart.

Yeoville.—Duncan, Hon. P., K.C., C.M.G.

Zoutpansberg.—Rooth, E. A.
Zululand.—Nicholls, G. H.
Zwartruggens.—Verster, J. D. H., D.T.D., M.C.

BILLS OF THE SESSION.

No. of Bill.	No. of Act.	Short Title.
36—’33	25—’33	Second Railway Construction.
37—’33	18—’33	Agricultural Pests Amendment.
38—’33	23—’33	Co-operative Societies (Further Amendment).
39—’33	19—’33	Immigration (Amendment).
40—’33	20—’33	Franschhoek Water (Private).
41—’33	17—’33	South Africa Act Amendment.
42—’33	21—’33	Rand Water Board Statutes, 1903-1932 Amendment (Private).
43—’33	—	Mineral Law Amendment.
44—’33	—	Farmers’ Assignment. (See A.B. 48—’33.)
45—’33	22—’33	Union and Southern Rhodesia Death Duties.
46—’33	29—’33	Financial Adjustments.
47—’33	26—’33	Gambling Amendment.
48—’33	—	Farmers’ Assignment.
49—’33	24—’33	Pensions (Supplementary).
50—’33	27—’33	Provincial Taxation Powers.
51—’33	28—’33	Customs Tariff and Excise Duties (Amendment).
52—’33	34—’33	Farm Mortgage Interest.
53—’33	33—’33	Gold Mines Excess Profits Duty.
54—’33	31—’33	Income Tax.
55—’33	30—’33	Appropriation.
5G—’33	32—’33	Railways and Harbours Appropriation.

ACTS OF THE SESSION.

I.—In Alphabetical Order.

18—’33.—Agricultural Pests Amendment.

30—’33.—Appropriation.

23—’33.—Co-operative Societies (Further Amendment).

28—’33.—Customs Tariff and Excise Duties (Amendment).

34—’33.—Farm Mortgage Interest.

29—’33.—Financial Adjustments.

20—’33.—Franschhoek Water (Private).

26—’33.—Gambling Amendment.

33—’33.—Gold Mines Excess Profits Duty.

19—’33.—lmmigration (Amendment).

31—’33.—Income Tax.

24—’33.—Pensions (Supplementary).

27—’33.—Provincial Taxation Powers.

32—’33.—Railways and Harbours Appropriation.

21—’33.—Rand Water Board Statutes, 1903-’32, Amendment (Private).

25—’33.—Second Railway Construction.

17—’33.—South Africa Act Amendment.

22—’33.—Union and Southern Rhodesia Death Duties.

ACTS OF THE SESSION.

II.—In Chronological Order.

17—’33.—South Africa Act Amednment.

18—’33.—Agricultural Pests Amendment.

19—’33.—Immigration (Amendment).

20—’33.—Franschhoek Water (Private).

21—’33.—Rand Water Board Statutes, 1903-’32, Amendment (Private).

22—’33.—Union and Southern Rhodesia Death Duties.

23—’33.—Co-operative Societies (Further Amendment).

24—’33.—Pensions (Supplementary).

25—’33.—Second Railway Construction.

26—’33.—Gambling Amendment.

27—’33.—Provincial Taxation Powers.

28—’33.—Customs Tariff and Excise Duties (Amendment).

29—’33.—Financial Adjustments.

30—’33.—Appropriation.

31—’33.—Income Tax.

32—’33.—Railways and Harbours Appropriation.

33—’33.—Gold Mines Excess Profits Duty.

34—’33.—Farm Mortgage Interest.

SESSIONAL AND SELECT COMMITTEES.

(a) Appointed by Mr. Speaker.

Printed No. of Report.
S.C. 14—’33.	Standing Rules and Orders [Report—On appointment of Joint Committee on Parliamentary Catering—See “Debates,” col. 88.]
	(b) Appointed by the House.
—	Internal Arrangements [No Report].
—	Library of Parliament [No Report],
S.C. 15—’33.	Pensions, Grants and Gratuities [Report—On petitions referred and on Treasury memoranda].
S.C. 13—’33.	Rand Water Board Statutes 1903-’32 Amendment (Private) Bill.

UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA.

HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY DEBATES.

FIRST SESSION, SEVENTH PARLIAMENT.

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