House of Assembly: Vol7 - THURSDAY 5 MAY 1988

THURSDAY, 5 MAY 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Self-governing territories proclaimed/ deproclaimed 482. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) (a) How many Black townships outside the self-governing territories were (i) proclaimed and (ii) deproclaimed in 1987 and (b) where are these townships situated;
  2. (2) how many persons moved into the proclaimed townships in 1987?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This information was furnished by the different Provincial Governments:

ORANGE FREE STATE

  1. (1)
    1. (a) (i) and (ii) None.
    2. (b) Falls away.
  2. (2) Falls away.

CAPE PROVINCE

  1. (1) (a)
    1. (i) 3 (b) Gumtree, Fort Beaufort and Lady Grey.
    2. (ii) 1 (b) Niekerkshoop.
  2. (2) 941

TRANSVAAL

  1. (1)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 1 (Spruit View Ext 1 — was declared an approved township in terms of Regulation 23 of the Black Township Establishment and Land-Use Regulations, 1986).
      2. (ii) None.
    2. (b) Spruit View Ext I is situated to the north-east of Katlehong (Germiston).
  2. (2) 5 families (25 persons).

NATAL

  1. (1)
    1. (a) (i) and (ii) None.
    2. (b) Falls away.
  2. (2) Falls away.
Khayelitsha: houses built by State 885. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) (a) What types of houses have been built in Khayelitsha by the State and/or with financial assistance from the State, (b) what is the (i)(aa) cost and (bb) purchase price of, and (ii) monthly rental for, each such type of house and (c) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  2. (2) (a) how many persons were residing in Khayelitsha as at the latest specified date for which figures are available and (b) how many such persons were living (i) in corehouses and (ii) on site-and-service plots adjacent to Khayelitsha;
  3. (3) what (a) standards are laid down in respect of accommodation erected on, and (b) rentals are charged for, these site-and-service plots;
  4. (4) (a) what area of land was purchased for this site-and-service scheme and (b) at what cost?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This information was furnished by the Cape Provincial Government:

(1) (a)

(b)(i)(aa)

Per unit

(i)(bb)

(b)(ii)

Core houses

R5 118

R6 191

R6 411

R5 969

R20

Demonstration houses

R27 000

R18 941

R23 857

Sold out

Sandbag houses

R7 000

R3 600

Sold out

(c) 22 March 1988.

  1. (2)
    1. (a) 97 000
    2. (b)
      1. (i) 35 000
      2. (ii) 38 000
  2. (3)
    1. (a) As prescribed by the National Building Regulations.
    2. (b) R12,50 per month.
  3. (4)
    1. (a) Site C —167 ha.
      Village 3 and 4 of Town 1-240 ha.
    2. (b) Government land — R242 016.
Applications to train as nurses 900. Dr M S BARNARD

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether any applications to train as nurses at institutions for the training of (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Black nurses were not accepted in the current year; if so, (i)(aa) how many, and (bb) why, in each case, and (ii) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This information was furnished by the different Provincial Governments:

(a), (b), (c) and (d) Yes.

(i)(aa).

TRANSVAAL

White

— 597

Coloured

— 216

Indian

— 132

Black

— 877

CAPE PROVINCE

White

— 486

Coloured

— 3 589

Indian

— 232

Black

— 6 890

(Charlotte Searle College does not keep statistics in this regard).

ORANGE FREE STATE

White

— 61

Coloureds, Indians and Blacks

— 6 415

(These are regarded, for training purposes, as one group).

NATAL

Figures cannot be furnished as no records are kept of applicants who were not accepted.

  1. (i) (bb) Due to the following reasons:
    • — The educational qualifications of candidates were not suitable.
    • — Not enough vacant posts available.
    • — Weak symbols.
    • — Erroneous completion of application form.
    • — Applicants did not turn up for the selection.
    • — Medically unfit.
    • — Not resident in the area served by the college concerned.
  2. (ii) 1988-applications.
Nurses: resignations during course of training 901. Dr M S BARNARD

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether any (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Black nurses accepted for training courses at institutions for the training of nurses resigned in the course of their training during the latest specified 12-month period for which information is available; if so, how many in each case in each specified year of study?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This information was furnished by the different Provincial Governments:

CAPE PROVINCE

Yes, for the period 1 January 1987 to 31 December 1987.

Race

Resignations according to year of study

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year

(a) White

92

37

8

0

(b) Coloured

70

23

8

0

(c) Indian

(d) Black

7

4

6

0

ORANGE FREE STATE

Yes, for the period 1 January 1987 to 31 December 1987.

Race

Resignations according to year of study

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year

(a) White

52

27

6

3

(b) Coloured

(c) Indian

(d) Black

5

6

1

TRANSVAAL

Yes, for the period 1 January 1987 to 31 December 1987.

Race

Resignations according to year of study

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year

(a) White

211

82

74

12

(b) Coloured

9

13

1

(c) Indian

3

1

(d) Black

41

47

23

NATAL

Yes, for the period 1 January 1987 to 31 March 1988.

Race

Resignations according to year of study

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year

(a) White

34

31

2

(b) Coloured

1

(c) Indian

4

22

(d) Black

9

11

Hospital beds 978. Dr M S BARNARD

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) How many hospital beds are there at the (a) Groote Schuur, (b) Red Cross War Memorial, (c) Tygerberg, (d) Woodstock and (e) New Somerset Hospital;
  2. (2) whether any of these hospitals are racially integrated; if so, which hospitals;
  3. (3) whether any of these hospitals are racially segregated; if so, how many beds are reserved for (a) Whites, (b) Coloureds, (c) Blacks and (d) Asians in each such hospital;
  4. (4) what is the average bed occupancy in each of these hospitals in respect of each race group?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This information was furnished by the Cape Provincial Government:

  1. (1)
    1. (a) 1467
    2. (b) 347
    3. (c) 2 106
    4. (d) 175
    5. (e) 437
  2. 2, 3 and 4.

There is no stipulated restriction placed on the utilisation of provincial hospital facilities purely for one specific population group only at the relevant hospitals. For example, the official allocated beds for White and non-White at the three academic hospitals are utilised in such a way that maximum benefit is achieved and an acceptable health service is rendered to all population groups within the framework of policy laid down. There are, however, wards in the five hospitals for the predominant use of a specific population group in accordance with stated policy, whilst at the Groote Schuur, Red Cross War Memorial, Tygerberg and New Somerset Hospitals central bed facilities are available which can be utilised for all population groups according to medical criteria. Separate statistics are, however, not kept for Coloureds, Asians and Blacks. A distinction is made only between White and non-White.

In order to illustrate these comments, the following statistics are provided:

(a) Allocated bed occupancy

Hospital

White

Non-White

Beds

% Occupancy

Beds

% Occupancy

Groote Schuur

492

50,17

975

103,40

Red Cross War Memorial

60

41,46

287

119,96

Tygerberg

799

54,68

1 307

90,87

Woodstock

35

51,93

140

69,47

New Somerset

162

63,94

275

92,79

(b) Actual bed occupancy

Hospital

White

Non-White

Beds

% Occupancy

Beds

% Occupancy

Groote Schuur

311

79,36

1 156

87,21

Red Cross War Memorial

24

103,64

323

106,59

Tygerberg

742

58,89

1 364

87,07

Woodstock

35

51,93

140

69,47

New Somerset

162

63,94

275

92,79

Eastern Bloc countries: value of imports 991. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:

  1. (1) What was the value of imports into South Africa from Eastern Bloc countries for the (a)(i) 1978-79 and (ii) 1982-83 financial years and (b) latest specified financial year for which figures are available;
  2. (2) whether he will furnish details of the (a) countries and (b) categories of imports involved; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details in respect of each of the above financial years?
The MINISTER OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS AND TECHNOLOGY:

(1) and (2)

The information is unfortunately not available for publication. It should be explained that South Africa maintains a policy of neutrality with regard to the origin or destination of its foreign trade. However, in the circumstances of the increasingly complex situation that South Africa faces internationally, particulars of the country’s foreign trade are regarded as sensitive information and it is not considered advisable to divulge an analysis thereof in any form. This obviously applies in particular also in respect of any trade between South Africa and Eastern Bloc countries.

HOUSE OF DELEGATES

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For oral reply:

Own Affairs:

Arena Park, Chatsworth: School hall built *1. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

  1. (1) Whether a school hall was built in the Arena Park area of Chatsworth in 1987; if so, (a) at which school and (b) at what cost was it built;
  2. (2) whether this hall is ready for use; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is it expected to be ready;
  3. (3) whether any complaints and/or reports have been received in regard to leaks in the roof of this hall; if so,
  4. (4) whether any repair work has been undertaken; if not, why not; if so, what was the (a) nature and (b) cost of these repairs;
  5. (5) whether his Department has laid down any conditions in respect of the use of this hall; if so, what are these conditions?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) Arena Park Secondary School.
    2. (b) R1,34m
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
  3. (3) Yes.
  4. (4) Yes.
    1. (a) Installation of protective cowls over roof ventilators in order to prevent roof leakage.
    2. (b) None. The cowls have been provided by the company that installed the roof ventilators.
  5. (5) No. The Department is still finalising the conditions for the use of the hall.
Mr P I DEVAN:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the answer provided by the hon the Minister, may I ask him whether he motivated the cost of this buiding? Moreover, does he not consider the sum of R1,34 million for a single school hall to be too much? Lastly, we are given to understand that this is to serve as a committee hall. May I ask the hon the Minister whether all negotiation with the local authority was exhausted before the education department resorted to the construction of this hall?

The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, at this stage I can reply as follows: R1,34 million was regarded as a fair price for the contract for that hall, in comparison with R1,8 million in Phoenix. The department took into consideration the use to which this hall will be put. May I say that I foresee that it will be used by the Arena Park Secondary School itself in the first instance, as well as by primary and secondary schools in the area for their year-end functions and cultural functions, and also by the community in the area.

I therefore consider that the money was well spent.

Mr P I DEVAN:

Mr Chairman, further arising from the answer of the hon the Minister, were all negotiations with the local authority regarding a hall in the area to suit the purposes of the community exhausted before the department started this project?

The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I am aware of the fact that investigations did take place before my department went ahead with this project. I am not certain about al the negotiations but I can make the information available to the hon member.

Housing Development Board/executive committee meetings *2. Mr Y MOOLLA

asked the Minister of Housing:

  1. (1) (a)(i) On how many occasions have the (aa) Housing Development Board and (bb) executive committee of this board met since its inception and (ii) in respect of what date is this information furnished and (b) what decisions were taken by these bodies at these meetings;
  2. (2) whether any decisions taken by the said executive committee were implemented prior to approval having been obtained from the Housing Development Board; if so, (a) why, (b) on whose authority was each such decision implemented and (c) what are the details of these decisions?
The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (1)
    1. (a)
      1. (i)
        1. (aa) 2.
        2. (bb) 20.
      2. (ii) As at 29 April 1988.
    2. (b) Decisions pertaining to the objectives of the board.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) Because section 7(5) of the Housing Development Act (House of Delegates), No 4 of 1987, permits it. Any other interpretation would entirely defeat the object of the executive committee. The statutory requirement that such decisions be confirmed by the full board affords opportunity for revision in each case but contractual obligations already operative by the time the full board meets again would have to be taken into account. For this reason the decisions of the executive committee will not lightly or easily be overturned.
    2. (b) See (a) above.
    3. (c) It is not possible to furnish a blanket reply as desired. The Honourable Member is however, at liberty to request details of any specific decision, in writing.
Mr Y MOOLLA:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the answer given by the hon the Minister, in view of the fact that the total number of members of the board constitute about six members, while there are four members in the executive committee, would it not be more prudent if all decisions were dealt with by a full board when there is such a minimal difference between the executive committee and the total number of members of the full board?

The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, if the hon member submits that question in writing he will receive the appropriate answer.

Construction of School No 55, Phoenix: tenders *3. Mr C N MOODLIAR

asked the Minister of Housing:

  1. (1) Whether tenders were invited for the construction of School No 55, Phoenix; if not, why not; if so, (a)(i) when and (ii) in what publications and (b)(i) how many tenders were received and (ii) from whom;
  2. (2) whether any of these tenders were accepted; if not, why not; if so, (a) to whom was the tender awarded and (b) what was the amount of the successful tender?
The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 27 November 1987.
      2. (ii) State Tender Bulletin.
    2. (b)
      1. (i) 12.
      2. (ii) National Construction.
        Rambros Building Services and Contractors.
        A.A. Construction (A).
        A.A. Construction (B).
        John Sisk & Son (Pty) Ltd.
        John Sisk & Son (Pty) Ltd (Alternative).
        Stocks & Stocks (Pty) Ltd.
        Stocks & Stocks (Pty) Ltd (Alternative).
        Group Five Building (Pty) Ltd. James Clark (Pty) Ltd.
        RHO Building Construction (Pty) Ltd (Price A).
        RHO Building Construction (Pty) Ltd (Price B).
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) Rambros Building Services and Contractors.
    2. (b) R2 377 700,00.
Development of Lot 8282, Lenasia: tenders *4. Mr A S RAZAK

asked the Minister of Housing:

  1. (1) Whether tenders were invited for the development of Lot 8282, Lenasia; if not, why not; if so, (a)(i) when and (ii) in what publications, (b) why and (c)(i) how many tenders were received and (ii) from whom;
  2. (2) whether any of these tenders were accepted; if not, why not; if so, (a) to whom was the tender awarded and (b) what was the amount of the successful tender?
The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a)
      1. (i) During the period 20 November 1987 to 3 January 1988.
      2. (ii) Sunday Times Extra, The Star and Lenasia Times.
    2. (b) The Housing Development Board resolved to sell the site by tender.
    3. (c)
      1. (i) 16.
      2. (ii) Aboobaker Ismail Resourced Profit Centre Ahmed Alli Dadabhai Sayed Hoosen Mia L L Reddy IM Goolam L Naidoo Zaakir Investments Matrix Projects Shabir Ahamed Hafizulla Russell Marshall and Stride Pro Group Islamic Corporation Islamic Corporation (Alternative) Mohamed I Momoniat Salojee Ebrahim Khalil and B Suliman.
  2. (2) No. None of the tenders were acceptable.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
Alleged conviction of certain official: report *5. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of the Budget:

  1. (1) Whether he (a) has been informed of, and/or (b) has received a report from the Department of Justice concerning, the alleged conviction of a certain official of his Department, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, on a charge of assaulting a police reservist; if so, (i) what departmental action has been taken in this regard and (ii) what is the name of this official; if not, what action has he taken or does he intend taking in this regard;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF THE BUDGET:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) Yes.
    2. (b) Yes.
      1. (i) The subject is sub judice due to an appeal being lodged.
      2. (ii) Falls away.
  2. (2) No.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Section 41 of Group Areas Act: notices served 23. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether his Department has served any notices in terms of section 41 of the Group Areas Act, No 36 of 1966, since 30 June 1987; if so, as at the latest specified date for which information is available, (a) how many, (b) in which towns or areas, (c) at whose request, (d) in respect of what contraventions and (e)(i) how many complaints did his Department receive in this regard and (ii) by whom were they lodged;
  2. (2) whether it is the intention of his Department to take steps against all persons occupying premises in contravention of the provisions of the said Act; if so, what steps;
  3. (3) whether his Department has established a section for the purpose of dealing with contraventions of this nature; if so, what are the relevant particulars;
  4. (4) whether it is the intention of his Department to apply the provisions of the said Act to multinational corporations;
  5. (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) No notices have been issued in terms of section 41 since the date mentioned, in respect of new cases. In respect of earlier cases, additional notices have been sent to the Deeds Office, a nominee and the bondholders. The rest of (1) falls away.
  2. (2) No. Illegal occupation is a criminal offence which is dealt with by the SA Police.
  3. (3) No.
  4. (4) Yes, the Act applies to all corporations.
  5. (5) No.
Amount spent on decentralization programme 25. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) (a) What total amount had been spent by the State on its decentralization programme since 1 January 1982 as at the latest specified date for which information is available and (b) how many jobs were created in terms of this programme during this period;
  2. (2) whether his Department has made a calculation of the amount lost by the State in taxes as a result of this programme since the above date; if not, why not; if so, what amount was lost or is estimated to have been lost during the above-mentioned period?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) R2 097 million.
    2. (b) 144 913 up to 20 March 1988.
      The total expenditure should, however, not be directly compared with the job opportunities created as„such expenditure also includes concessions in regard to projects approved under previous programmes, transport rebates and other long term concessions for existing projects at identified development points.
      These job opportunities reflect only direct job creation, whereas many indirect job opportunities are also created as a result of the multiplier effect of industrial development in an area.
  2. (2) No. The current incentive programme does not include a specific tax concession. Only one element of the incentive programme, namely the employment incentive which amounts to approximately 20 per cent of expenditure, is non-taxable. Since the remaining 80 per cent of the incentive package is taxable, no net tax loss is encountered. In fact a proportion of the expenditure finds its way back to the state coffers in the form of direct and indirect taxation.
Professionally qualified persons who emigrated/ immigrated 56. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Home Affairs:

How many Indian (a) doctors, (b) dentists, (c) lawyers, (d) architects, (e) social workers, (f) quantity surveyors, (g) scientists and (h) other specified professionally qualified persons (i) emigrated from and (ii) immigrated to South Africa in 1987?

The MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS:

(i)

(ii)

(a) Doctors and specialists

(b) Dentists and dental specialists

1

(c) Attorneys and advocates

(d) Architects and town and regional planners

(e) Social workers

(f) Quantity surveyors

(g) Scientists

(h) (1) Engineer, engineering technician and related occupations

7

2

(2) Accountant and related accounting occupations and economic occupations

10

(3) Education and related occupations

14

(4) Professional, semi-professional and technical occupations not elsewhere classified

30

3