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House of Assembly: Vol7 - WEDNESDAY 27 APRIL 1988

WEDNESDAY, 27 APRIL 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Emergency regulations: requests for permission to publish articles 135. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(a) How many requests for permission to publish articles dealing with matters covered by the emergency regulations have been received by the South African Police since 6 February 1987, (b) on how many occasions was permission refused, (c) what was the reason for refusing permission to publish in each case and (d) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(a) 61 requests.
(b) 45 occasions.
(c) The articles or portions thereof, fell within the ambit of the provisions of Regulations 3(1) of the Regulations promulgated by virtue of the Public Safety Act, 1953 (Act 3 of 1953) in Government Gazette 10772 of 11 June 1987.
(d) 29 February 1988.

Detention of two persons 554. Mr J VAN ECK

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(1) Whether two persons, whose names have been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, are being detained; if so, (a) on what date were they detained and (b) (i) why and (ii) in terms of what statutory provisions are they being detained;
(2) whether they are to be released; if so, when; if not,
(3) whether they are to be charged; if not, why not; if so, in terms of what statutory provisions?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) No, not persons with the names furnished by the honourable member.
1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
(2) and (3) Fall away.

Banned/subversive organizations 787. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether he will furnish the House with the names of organizations which are listed by the South African Police as (a) banned and (b) subversive; if not, why not; if so, (i) what are their names in each case and (ii) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(a) The South African Police did not ban any organization and does not possess over such authority.
1. (i) and (ii) Fall away.
(b) No legislation exists whereby the South African Police can “list an organization as subversive”, neither is such a list kept by the South African Police. When an organization involves itself with subversive activities, action is taken against such an organization in terms of the applicable security legislation.
1. (i) and (ii) Fall away.

Members: transfers for promotion 791. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether it is the policy of the South African Police that members stationed at a particular command for a specific period must be transferred once that period has expired in order to become eligible for promotion; if not, what is the policy in this regard; if so, what is the (a) duration of this period and (b) reason for this policy?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

No.

In the South African Police promotion from the rank of constable up to and including the rank of lieutenant, takes place after the successful completion of the National Diploma in Police Administration, which is presented by the Technikon RSA.

Thereafter, promotion takes place on the grounds of merit and on the successful completion of management courses at different levels.

Transfer does not necessarily follow as a result of promotion, although it is often a factor which is considered. However, various other factors are also considered for this purpose, inter alia

— where the services of the member concerned are needed most;
— available vacancies;
— changes in the numerical strength;
— the transferability of the member concerned.

However, the policy of the South African Police regarding transfer and promotion is by no means inflexible, as it can be adapted in order to best serve the interests of the Force.

Special constables assaulted/killed/injured 813. Mrs H SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether any special constables (a) have been assaulted by (i) members of the public and (ii) other special constables, (b) have been (i) killed or (ii) injured by (aa) members of the public and (bb) other special constables, (c) have had their houses or property damaged or destroyed and (d) have had members of their families (i) injured and (ii) killed since their recruitment; if so, how many in each category as at the latest specified date for which information is available?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(a) to (c)

To gather and process this information country-wide is a time-consuming task. Members of the Force who would have carried out the task, already perform long hours of duty under difficult circumstances. They can only perform this task at the cost of other important police functions. Such a task can, in addition, not be accounted for economically. On these grounds the furnishing of the requested information can therefore not be justified.

Intimidation Act: persons arrested/charged with offences 854. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether any persons have been (a) arrested for and (b) charged with offences under the Intimidation Act, No 72 of 1982, since its promulgation; if so, how many in each case in each specified year?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

Yes
	(a)	(b)
1982	34	30
1983	52	48
1984	86	71
1985	362	293
1986	696	545
1987	792	536

Aid granted to self-governing territories: precautions 962. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether his Department has taken and/or intends taking any precautions aimed at eliminating the possibility of misappropriation and/ or embezzlement in respect of aid granted to self-governing territories; if not, why not; if so, (a) what precautions and (b) when?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

(a) Yes. The undermentioned precautions are in operation in self-governing territories:
1. (i) Internal auditing. Internal financial control is vested in full in the departmental head who is appointed as accounting officer in accordance with section 15 of the Exchequer and Audit Act, 1975 (Act No 66 of 1975). His duties and responsibilities are defined by the Financial Regulations and Treasury Instructions which are promulgated in accordance with sections 38(1) and 39 of the said Act.
2. (ii) External examinations. Provision is made in the Department of Finance of each self-governing territory for a division, financial- and stores-inspections. The main function of this division is to ensure that the control measures as prescribed by the Financial Regulations and Treasury instructions are strictly adhered to by all the departments of the self-governing territory.
3. (iii) Full-time and comprehensive auditing by officials of the office of the Auditor-general in accordance with the Exchequer and Audit Act, 1975 (Act 66 of 1975) which is also applicable to self-governing territories. In accordance with section 35 of the National States Constitution Act, 1971 (Act 21 of 1971) the Auditorgeneral of the RSA is also the Auditor-general of the self-governing territories unless a Legislative Assembly decides differently. Thus far. the six self-governing territories accepted this ruling. The Auditor-General submits a report to each Legislative Assembly who in turn refers it to the Select Committee on Public Accounts for further investigation. Accounting officers must therefore appear before the said committee to explain any anomalies and to report thereon.
4. (iv) Over and above the aforementioned precautions, officials of the Department of Development Aid are also in contact with the officials concerned in the self-governing territories to advise them where problems are foreseen or where it is sometimes necessary to prepare additional directions or manuals and to make recommendations to ensure financial regularity.
(b) The above precautions came into operation when the National States Constitution Act, 1971 (Act 21 of 1971) became applicable to the relevant self-governing territory.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

†Indicates translated version.

For oral reply:

Own Affairs:

Questions standing over from Wednesday, 30 March 1988:

*2. Mr W J DIETRICH

— Education and Culture.

[Reply standing over.]

*. Mr W J DIETRICH

— Education and Culture.

[Reply standing over.]

HOUSE OF DELEGATES

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Applications for fire-arm licences 22. Mr P C NADASEN

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(1) (a) How many (i) applications for fire-arm licences were received from, and (ii) such licences were issued to, members of each of the four race groups in the Republic during the (aa) period 1 September 1984 to the latest specified date, and (bb) latest specified 12-month period, for which information is available;
(2) (a) how many applications for such licences were refused in respect of each of these race groups during each of the above periods and (b) what were the main reasons for these refusals;
(3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

I wish to point out to the honourable member that the South African Police do not keep records of the race groups of applicants for firearm licences. Therefore, only the total number of applications received in respect of all the race groups is furnished.

(1) (a)
1. (i)
  1. (aa) 549 664 applications
  2. (bb) 140 062 applications for the period 1 January until 31 December 1987.
2. (ii)
  1. (aa) 523 076 licences
  2. (bb) 132 294 licences
(2)
1. (a) 26 588 and 7 768 applications respectively.
2. (b) Each application is considered on merit. The merits differ from application to application. To give an exposition of the reasons for the refusal of licences mentioned in paragraph 2(a), would be a voluminous and time-consuming task which cannot be economically justified. On these grounds the furnishing of the requested information can therefore not be justified.

Phoenix. Natal: establishment of new police district 32. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(1) Whether it is the intention of the South African Police to establish a new police district in Phoenix, Natal; if so, (a) why and (b) when; if not, why not;
(2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) No, because up until now the necessity for a separate police district has not been identified.
1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
(2) No.

Divisional Commissioner in Natal: appointment of Indians 37. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(1) Whether he intends to appoint an Indian as a divisional inspector to the Office of the Divisional Commissioner in Natal; if so, (a) when and (b) where in Natal will he be based; if not, why not;
(2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) No. At this stage such an appointment is not under consideration mainly as a result of functional and organisational reasons.
1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
(2) No.

Indians joining Police Reserve Force 38. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(1) (a) How many Indians joined the Police Reserve Force in 1987 and (b) how many Indian police reservists (i) retired and (ii) dropped out from the said force in that year;
(2) (a) what is the highest rank held by an Indian in the Police Reserve Force and (b) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1)
1. (a) 232
2. (b)
  1. (i) 103
  2. (ii) 111
(2)
1. (a) Captain
2. (b) 19 April 1988

Inanda/Greenwood Park/Cato Manor/Malvern: offences 39. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

How many cases of (a) murder, (b) culpable homicide, (c) assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm, (d) common assault, (e) rape, (f) burglary and housebreaking, (g) robbery, (h) theft of vehicles, (i) damage to property and (j) possession of drugs were reported and investigated at each specified police station serving the Indian areas of Inanda, Greenwood Park, Cato Manor and Malvern, respectively, during the latest specified period of three years for which figures are available?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

1 January - 31 December 1985
	(a)	(b)	(c)	(d)	(e)	(f)	(g)	(h)	(i)	(j)
Greenwood Park	39	33	156	489	32	661	105	110	535	2
Inanda	150	35	253	649	104	824	195	79	376	—
Cato Manor	22	4	37	147	13	49	24	10	89	—
Malvern	17	8	27	194	6	229	35	56	114	—
1 January - 31 December 1986
	(a)	(b)	(c)	(d)	(e)	(f)	(g)	(h)	(i)	(j)
Greenwood Park	33	39	165	399	26	789	156	142	435	4
Inanda	175	47	327	78	115	718	248	53	400	—
Cato Manor	33	3	34	108	10	43	31	8	99	3
Malvern	17	11	39	251	5	334	18	85	119	1
1 January - 31 December 1987
	(a)	(b)	(c)	(d)	(e)	(f)	(g)	(h)	(i)	(j)
Greenwood Park	31	43	185	435	32	945	179	183	396	3
Inanda	207	41	236	661	128	664	359	64	331	—
Cato Manor	18	3	12	102	17	36	38	8	44	—
Malvern	16	12	50	137	12	315	39	86	92	—

Thefts from cars 42. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(a) How many thefts from cars were reported during the period 1 January to 31 December 1987 in (i) Wentworth, (ii) Inanda, (iii) Cato Manor, (iv) Greenwood Park and (v) Sydenham and (b) in how many cases were recoveries made?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(a)
1. (i) 236
2. (ii) 20
3. (iii) 29
4. (iv) 791
5. (v) 577
(b) The South African Police do not keep separate records of articles recovered, therefore, the required information cannot be furnished.

Thefts from cars 43. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(a) How many thefts from cars were reported during the period 1 January to 31 December 1987 in (i) Laudium, (ii) Lenasia, (iii) Benoni, (iv) Chatsworth, (v) Phoenix, (vi) Mountain Rise, (vii) Verulam, (viii) Umzinto and (ix) Isipingo and (b) in how many cases were recoveries made?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(a)
1. (i) 231
2. (ii) 364
3. (iii) 894
4. (iv) 509
5. (v) 908
6. (vi) 790
7. (vii) 352
8. (viii) 82
9. (ix) 369
(b) The South African Police do not keep separate records of articles recovered, therefore, the required information cannot be furnished.

Merebank: establishment of police station/substation 45. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

(1) Whether the South African Police intend to establish a police station or substation at Merebank; is so, when; if not, why not;
(2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) No, because a charge office near Merebank Railway Station is manned on a 24-hour basis. Furthermore, sufficient policing of the area is supplied by the Montclair police station.
(2) No.

Own Affairs:

Funds for provision of community halls 68. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Housing:

Whether his Department has allocated or intends to allocate funds for the provision of community halls in (a) Westcliff, (b) Croftdene, (c) Woodhurst, (d) Phoenix, (e) Orient Park, (f) Newlands West and (g) Lenasia; if not, why not; if so, (i) when, (ii) what amount, and (iii) when is it anticipated that buidling operations will (aa) commence and (bb) be completed, in each case?

The MINISTER OF HOUSING:

(a) No.
(b) No.
(c) No.
(d) No.
(e) No.
(f) No.
(g) No.

No applications have been received.

(a)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(b)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(c)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(d)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(e)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(f)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(g)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.

Funds for additional swimming facilities 69. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Housing:

Whether, since his reply to Question No 46 on 27 July 1987, his Department has allocated, or intends to allocate, funds for the provision of additional swimming facilities for (a) Phoenix, (b) Chatsworth, (c) Lenasia, (d) Newlands West and (e) Benoni; if not, why not; if so, (i) when, (ii) what amount, (iii) for what specified facilities, and (iv) when is it anticipated that building operations will (aa) commence and (bb) be completed, in each case?

The MINISTER OF HOUSING:

(a) No.
(b) No.
(c) No.
(d) No.
(e) No.

No applications have been received.

(a)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii) Falls away.
4. (iv)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(b)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii) Falls away.
4. (iv)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(c)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii) Falls away.
4. (iv)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(d)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii) Falls away.
4. (iv)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.
(e)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
3. (iii) Falls away.
4. (iv)
  1. (aa) Falls away.
  2. (bb) Falls away.

Phoenix: funds for sports stadium 70. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Housing:

Whether his Department has allocated or intends to allocate funds for the provision of a sports stadium in Phoenix; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) what amount, (c) when is it anticipated that building operations will (i) commence and (ii) be completed and (d) what facilities will be provided at this sports stadium?

The MINISTER OF HOUSING:

No. No application has been received.

(a) Falls away.
(b) Falls away.
(c)
1. (i) Falls away.
2. (ii) Falls away.
(d) Falls away.

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