House of Assembly: Vol7 - FRIDAY 18 MARCH 1988

FRIDAY, 18 MARCH 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Self-governing territories: family housing units 171. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) (a) How many family housing units were built in 1987 in each self-governing territory by (i) the authority of the territory, (ii) private owners and (iii) the South African Government and (b) what was the total amount spent by each in respect of each territory;
  2. (2) whether there is a shortage of housing units in any self-governing territory; if so, how many units are required in respect of each territory;
  3. (3) whether any family housing units are being built in the self-governing territories at present by (a) the authority of the territory, (b) private owners and (c) the South African Government; if not, why not; if so, (i) how many units are being built by each in each territory and (ii) when are they due to be completed in each case?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) and (ii) Unknown. This is a function of the Governments of the self-governing territories.
      2. (iii) Nil.
  2. (1)
    1. (b)
      1. (i) and (ii) Unknown.
      2. (iii) Nil.

Note: Although the Government no longer builds houses, an amount of R65 920 000 for selfbuild loans was made available to the low-income group Blacks.

  1. (2) Yes. It is difficult to give a completely accurate figure as the shortage of housing depends on the actual demand that varies as the availability of job opportunities varies from one area to another. It is however estimated that the shortage in terms of units is as follows:

Lebowa

12 000

KaNgwane

15 000

KwaZulu

100 000

Gazankulu

2 578

QwaQwa

17 000

KwaNdebele

5 000

Total

151 578

Note: Apart from this it is estimated that there is a shortage of 34 000 units in towns on SADT land outside the self-governing territories.

  1. (3)
    1. (a) Yes. According to information in the cases of Lebowa, KaNgwane and Gazankulu.
    2. (b) Yes.
    3. (c) No.
      1. (i)
        1. (a) and (b): The number of houses which is built by the self-governing territories and private owners is not known.
        2. (c) The South African Government has implemented selfbuild schemes within all the self-governing territories and no longer builds family housing units.
      2. (ii) It is not possible to indicate when the houses will be completed as it is an ongoing process.
Detainees: visits by judges 232. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Justice:

  1. (1) (a) How many judges in each province made visits to detainees in 1987, (b) how many visits did each such judge make, (c) which prisons did they visit and (d) on what dates were the visits made in each case;
  2. (2) whether he will furnish the names of the judges concerned; if not, why not; if so, what are their names?
The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:

(1)(a), (b), (c) and (d) and (2)

In terms of Prisons Regulation 104 (2)(a) a Judge of the Supreme Court of South Africa shall at all times be afforded admission to a prison. Judges are free to report to the Commissioner of Prisons or myself in respect of any matter which they consider should be brought to notice.

Statistics mentioning the category of prisoner that was visited are not kept and it is therefore not possible to indicate the number of judges who in each province visited detainees or any other specific category of prisoner during 1987, without a special and time-consuming survey.

The Heads of the 241 prisons under the auspices of the SA Prisons Service keep record of the fact of each visit and for this purpose an official visitors register is in use at each prison from which the Heads of Prisons submit a biannual return to Prisons Headquarters for central statistical purposes. These returns show that judges visited prisons on 260 occasions during the period 1 July 1986 to 30 June 1987.

Visits of this nature are welcomed and I have much appreciation for the work being done by the respective judges in this regard. They determine their own schedule and can also visit any prison unannounced. I am therefore not prepared to and also do not have the authority to interfere with the manner in which judges execute this task and likewise I am not prepared to announce the names of individual judges in public as these visits take place in their official capacity and the results of such visits are rather concentrated upon than the individual judges. However, I am prepared to provide the honourable member with the names on a personal and confidential basis.

Detainees: children of 18 years and under 340. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Justice:

(a) How many (i) male and (ii) female children of 18 years and under in each race group were detained in prison as at the latest specified date for which figures are available, (b) into what age categories did they fall and (c) for what offences were they imprisoned in each case?

The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:

(a) (i) and (ii) as well as (b).

Figures as on 31 December 1987.

UNSENTENCED/AWAITING TRIAL (DETAINEES UNDER EMERGENCY REGULATIONS EXCLUDED)

Male

Female

Up to and including 15 years

White

0

0

Black

103

11

Asian

1

0

Coloured

73

0

16 and 17 years

White

2

0

Black

254

15

Asian

1

0

Coloured

119

3

18 and 19 years

White

37

3

Black

1 620

96

Asian

5

0

Coloured

411

10

Total

2 626

138

SENTENCED

Male

Female

Up to and including 15 years

White

0

0

Black

16

1

Asian

0

0

Coloured

5

0

16 and 17 years

White

5

1

Black

377

20

Asian

2

0

Coloured

193

3

18 and 19 years

White

61

3

Black

2 345

96

Asian

23

0

Coloured

1 544

23

Total

4 571

147

(c) NATURE OF THE CRIME: UNSENTENCED/AWAITING TRIAL

CRIME

WHITE

COLOURED

ASIAN

BLACK

TOTAL

M

F

M

F

M

F

M

F

Violent crimes

8

0

254

1

3

0

693

28

987

Economic crimes

28

1

312

9

3

0

1 170

70

1 593

Other

3

2

37

3

1

0

114

24

184

TOTAL

39

3

603

13

7

0

1 977

122

2 764

NATURE OF CRIME: SENTENCED

CRIME

WHITE

COLOURED

ASIAN

BLACK

TOTAL

M

F

M

F

M

F

M

F

Violent crimes

5

2

804

6

15

0

1 144

52

2 028

Economic crimes

59

2

853

12

10

0

1 453

49

2 438

Other

2

0

85

8

0

0

141

16

252

TOTAL

66

4

1 742

26

25

0

2 738

117

4 718

Section 29 of the Prisons Act, 1959 (No. 8 of 1959) stipulates inter alia that a person under the age of eighteen years who is accused of having committed an offence shall, before his conviction, not be detained in a prison unless his detention is necessary and no suitable place of detention mentioned in the Child Care Act is available for his detention. In deciding as to the suitability of the place of detention, the nature of the offence with which a person is charged is taken into account as well as age, sex, character, etc.

A juvenile who is detained in terms of this section shall not be permitted to associate with a person over the age of twenty-one years who is in custody, provided that he may be permitted to associate with such a person in custody who has been charged jointly with him, if the head of the prison is of the opinion that such association will not be detrimental to him. An awaiting trial woman under the age of eighteen years is placed in the care of a woman.

PRISONS FOR SENTENCED JUVENILES The Prisons Act, 1959 (Act No 8 of 1959) provides for children and juveniles to be incarcerated in prisons under certain circumstances. This principle is applied world-wide and not only in South Africa. The standard rules for the treatment of prisoners which are subscribed to by South Africa, also incorporates the treatment of juveniles in prisons and lays down certain guidelines which is included in the Prisons Act.

Prisons for sentenced juveniles were put into operation at the Leeukop Prison Command during 1986 and at Pollsmoor Prison Command during 1987. It is envisaged to extend this concept to other regions depending on needs and budget realities.

In regions which do not yet have separate prisons for sentenced juvenile prisoners, they are accommodated in separate sections or cells as far as possible, and depending on their needs, the available programmes are also offered to them as far as feasible.

Generally the intention with these programmes is to equip the juvenile for his successful reintegration into the community after release. The following basic guidelines are followed:

  • — The achievement of a certain level of education in order to facilitate adaptation into the community. In other words — acceptable norms and values must be acquired.
  • — Education and training as the basis of the programme. Depending on the present level of education, intellectual capabilities of prisoners and the term of sentence, it is endeavoured to achieve a specific level of education. The aim is to achieve at least a St. 4 qualification.
  • — Meaningful utilization of time which is aimed at positive orientation after release.
  • — Maintenance of present social structures to counteract institutionalization and in so doing prevent recidivism, e.g. maintenance and strengthening of family ties.
  • — The fulfilment of religious needs.
  • — Healthy physical development through physical training and care.

The honourable member is also referred to the press statements of Mr F W de Klerk, Minister of National Education and Mr S J de Beer, Deputy Minister of Education of 15 August 1987 and 14 March 1988 respectively.

Imprisonments: children with mothers 344. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Justice:

How many (a) White, (b) Black, (c) Coloured and (d) Asian (i) male and (ii) female children in each age group were imprisoned with their mothers (aa) in 1987 and (bb) as at the latest specified date for which figures are available?

The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:

At the outset it should be mentioned that children are not imprisoned with their mothers, but are allowed to remain in prison with their mothers on the recommendation of a medical officer for as long as deemed necessary for medical and feeding purposes.

  1. (aa) 1 January 1987 to 31 December 1987.
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 14
      2. (ii) 3
    2. (b)
      1. (i) 1 102
      2. (ii) 1 136
    3. (c)
      1. (i) 230
      2. (ii) 205
    4. (d)
      1. (i) 9
      2. (ii) 8
        Total: 2 707
  2. (bb) 31 December 1987
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 1
      2. (ii) 1
    2. (b)
      1. (i) 69
      2. (ii) 71
    3. (c)
      1. (i) 22
      2. (ii) 12
    4. (d)
      1. (i) 0
      2. (ii) 0
        Total: 176

The ages vary from infancy up to about 3 years.

In terms of Prisons Regulation No 94, a female prisoner may be permitted, subject to such conditions as are prescribed, to have her baby with her in prison during the period of lactation and for such further period as may be necessary. The necessary clothing, food and medical treatment may be provided by the State for such period as a baby remains in prison.

Standing orders also determine that an infant may remain in prison with the mother for as long as deemed necessary for medical and feeding purposes. Thereafter it should be endeavoured to remove the child from prison, subject to a certificate by the medical officer to the effect that the child would not be harmed psychologically or physically if separated from the mother.

All infants are examined by the medical officer as soon as possible after admission to a prison or after birth in order to determine which medical treatment and food are to be prescribed. The infant’s mass is taken monthly and the necessary injections and vaccinations as applicable are administered by a qualified nursing sister, or otherwise arrangements are made for the administration thereof at the local clinic.

Prisoners: unit cost per day 347. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Justice:

What was the unit cost per prisoner per day in the 1986/87 financial year?

The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:

R11,29.

Prisons Service: staff shortages 348. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Justice:

Whether the Prisons Service is experiencing staff shortages; if so, what (a) is the extent of the shortages and (b) is being done to remedy the situation.

The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:
  1. (a) The approved establishment of 21 263 posts was, with the exception of 312 vacancies, filled completely on 1 February 1988. This represents a personnel shortage of 1,47% in terms of the approved establishment. This establishment does not provide for identified needs towards expansion.
  2. (b) Efforts are made continually to fill existing vacancies by means of recruiting and selection within the framework of available funds. It is constantly endeavoured to increase existing efficiency as measured to accepted norms and special attention is given to the retention of manpower.
Self-governing territories: amounts invested in industrial sector 444. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

(a) What amounts were invested by (i) the State and (ii) foreign agencies in the industrial sector, and (b) what was the total amount invested by (i) the development corporation concerned, (ii) South African companies and (iii) foreign companies, in each of the self-governing territories in the 1986/87 financial year?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

Investment in industrial sector

Total amount invested

(a) (i)

(a) (ii)

(b) (i)

(b) (ii)

(b) (iii)

Gazankulu

Nil

Nil

R24 737 000

R 1 213 000

Nil

KaNgwane

Nil

Nil

R39 135 147

R 90 000

Nil

KwaNdebele

Nil

R9 500 000

R25 500 000

R30 800 000

R9 500 000

KwaZulu

Nil

1)

R81 653 000

2)

1)

Lebowa

Nil

R2 100 000

R74 974 000

R17 187 000

R2 100 000

Qwaqwa

Nil

Nil

R29 870 000

R40 000 000

Nil

1) No anualised figures for financial years are available. Accumulative figure is R40 million as at 31 March 1987.

2) No annualised figures for financial years are available. Accumulative figure is R363,6 million as at 31 March 1987.

Officials involved in resettlements 446. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether any officials attached to his Department helped to resettle any persons in 1987; if so, (a) on what dates, (b) from what specified areas were persons moved, (c) in what specified areas were they resettled, (d) why was it necessary to resettle them and (e) how many persons were resettled in each case?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

Yes.

  1. (a) On a continuous basis except as indicated in paragraph (b).
  2. (b)
    1. (i) Moutse, KwaNdebele
    2. (ii) Kwaggafontein, KwaNdebele
    3. (iii) Inanda Dam Area, Ndwedwe, KwaZulu
    4. (iv) Frankfort, Ciskei
    5. (v) Bethanie, Bophuthatswana (9-15 September 1987)
    6. (vi) Driefontein, District Wakkerstroom
    7. (vii) Ou-Kasie, District Brits
    8. (viii) Varkfontein, District Benoni (3-13 November 1987).
  3. (c)
    1. (i) Elandskraal, District Potgietersrust
    2. (ii) Verena, KwaNdebele
    3. (iii) Ntuzuma Town, Inanda and elsewhere in the tribal area, District Ndwedwe, Langefontein, District Pinetown and Rietvallei, District Camperdown
    4. (iv) Stanhope, Ciskei
    5. (v) Onderstepoort, District Rustenburg
    6. (vi) Roodekraal, District Wakkerstroom
    7. (vii) Lethlabile, District Brits
    8. (viii) Daveyton Town, District Benoni.
  4. (d)
    1. (i) On the request of the persons themselves
    2. (ii) On request of the KwaNdebele Government
    3. (iii) Because of the building of the Inanda dam — the houses of the people were situated within the dam area.
    4. (iv) On request of the Ciskei Government and the people concerned
    5. (v) On own request of the splinter group of the Magopa Community
    6. (vi) The building of the Heyshope dam — the houses of the people were situated within the dam area
    7. (vii) On request of the Department Development Planning — the facilities of the Department of Development Aid were made available
    8. (viii) On request of the Provincial Administration, Transvaal — the facilities of the Department of Development Aid were made available.
  5. (e)
    1. (i) 69 families
    2. (ii) 121 families
    3. (iii) 78 families, 93 families, 63 families and 9 families
    4. (iv) 468 families
    5. (v) 178 families
    6. (vi) 115 families
    7. (vii) 208 families
    8. (viii) 426 families
Upgrading of roads in Black areas: amount budgeted 506. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

What total amount was budgeted for the upgrading of roads in Black areas falling under his Department for the 1987/88 financial year?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

R105 656 000, which includes amounts budgeted for the construction or upgrading of bridges.

Christmas cards sent out 596. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of National Health and Population Development:

  1. (1) Whether (a) he and/or (b) his Department sent out Christmas cards in 1987; if so, (i) what total number of cards was printed, (ii) to whom were they sent, (iii) what was the total cost of producing and distributing these cards, and (iv) who was responsible for printing them, in each case;
  2. (2) whether postage stamps were used to send out these Christmas cards; if not, how were they distributed?
The MINISTER OF NATIONAL HEALTH AND POPULATION DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) Yes.
      1. (i) 2 000.
      2. (ii) NP Members and members of the other two Houses of Parliament, Provincial Administrators, MEC’s, Rectors and Chancellors of Universities, Independent States, Commissioners General, SWA Cabinet Ministers, Black City Councillors and Mayors, Constituency, Ministerial Representatives, members of the President’s Council, SA Medical and Dental Council, SA Pharmaceutical Board, family and friends.
      3. (iii) R6 223,17 (printing), R130,40 (postage)
      4. (iv) Government Printer
    2. (b) Yes
      1. (i) 250
      2. (ii) State Departments, Associations, Organisations.
      3. (iii) R127,00 (printing).
      4. (iv) Government Printer.
  2. (2) Postage stamps were used to send out Christmas cards to family, friends and constituency; the rest were sent out under the official stamp of the Department.
Natal Flood Relief Fund: amount allocated 644. Mr M J ELLIS

asked the Minister of National Health and Population Development:

  1. (1) (a) What was the total amount allocated to the Natal Flood Relief Fund in 1987, (b) how many claims for such relief had been received by his Department as at the latest specified date for which information is available, (c) what was the total value of these claims, (d) what total amount had been paid out from this fund as at that date and (e) when is it anticipated that the final claims will be settled;
  2. (2) whether a percentage formula is being used to calculate payments in respect of these claims; if not, what formula is being used; if so, what is the percentage formula?
The MINISTER OF NATIONAL HEALTH AND POPULATION DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) There is no such fund as the Natal Flood Relief Fund. The fund established in terms of the Fund-raising Act, 1978, for victims of all declared disasters, is the Disaster Relief Fund. Attention is invited to Chapter II of the said Act.
    2. (b) 54 000, as at 25 February 1988.
    3. (c) No record is kept of the amounts applied for. Figure could only be furnished if all applications are scrutinised which is impossible.
    4. (d) R17 000 000
    5. (e) In respect of farmers where the closing date was 29 February 1988 it is hoped that payments would be finalised within three months. In respect of other cases it is anticipated that payments would be finalised within two months.
  2. (2) No. Payments are made in accordance with guidelines and bases approved by the Board of the Disaster Relief Fund and within the limits of the available funds.
Five most junior posts: salary scales 700. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of National Health and Population Development:

  1. (a) What are the salary scales attached to each of the five most junior posts in his Department,
  2. (b) how many of these posts are filled by Whites, Coloureds, Indians and Blacks, respectively, and (c) in respect of what date is this information furnished?
The MINISTER OF NATIONAL HEALTH AND POPULATION DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (a) Grading of the five most junior post classes in the Department:
    Housekeeper
    R5 049 X 348 - 6 789 X 381 - 7 932
    Housemother
    R5 049 X 348 - 6 789 X 381 - 7 932
    Linen Supervisor
    R5 049 X 348 - 6 789 X 381 - 7 932
    Laundry Assistant
    R5 049 X 348 - 6 789 X 381 - 7 932
    Seamstress
    R5 049 X 348 - 6 789 X 381 - 7 932
  2. (b) and (c) State of incumbency per population group as at 1/3/88:

Whites

Coloureds

Asians

Blacks

Housekeeper

33

3

0

24

Housemother

2

7

0

17

Linen Supervisor

12

0

4

3

Laundry Assistant

58

2

0

14

Seamstress

47

4

0

14

Pretoria: financing of certain committee 717. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Home Affairs:

Whether his Department is involved in financing a certain committee in Pretoria, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, (a) why, (b) to what extent per annum and (c) what (i) are the aims and objects and (ii) is the name of this committee?

The MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS:

No.

Own Affairs:

Old-age/war veterans’ pensions: raising of means test limit 66. Mr M J ELLIS

asked the Minister of Budget and Welfare:

Whether consideration is being given to raising the means test limit on personal income for the awarding of old-age and war veterans’ pensions; if not, why not; if so, (a) what is this limit at present and (b) (i) what will be the new limit and (ii) when will it be implemented?

The MINISTER OF BUDGET AND WELFARE:

Raising the means test limit on personal income is receiving continuous consideration.

  1. (a) The present limit is R1 080 per person per annum for the maximum pension and R2 616 per person per annum for the minimum pension.
  2. (b)
    1. (i) The new limit will be adjusted with the same amount of the increase in social pensions, if increases are granted.
    2. (ii) The new limit will be implemented as from the same date on which social pensions are increased.