House of Assembly: Vol1 - FRIDAY MARCH 10 1911

FRIDAY, March 10 1911 Mr. SPEAKER took the chair and rea prayers at 2 p.m. PETITIONS. Sir T. W. SMARTT (Fort Beaufort)

from G. Cameron-Smith)late of Public Works Department.

Mr. C. G. FICHARDT (Ladybrand),

from the Municipality of Smithfield, praying that further Asiatic immigration be stopped.

Mr. J. A. NESER (Potchefstroom),

from James Macdonell, Transvaal Police.

Mr. J. J. ALBERTS (Standerton),

from inhabitants of Standerton, Bethal, and Heidelberg, praying for construction of a railway from Val Station to Kinross Station (three petitions).

General C. F. BEYERS (Pretoria District, South),

from E. A. L. Ely, who served as a convict guard.

WASTE LANDS COMMITTEE SECOND REPORT.

The committee recommended the grants, etc. of land, as follows: Grant, for Church purposes, at Hlobo. Nqamakwe; grant for Church and school purposes, Fort Beaufort; grant, for school purposes, at Delport’s Hope; lease, to A. J. Goodman, of farm “Chepstowe,” Maclear district; lease, to C. S. van Heer den, of farm “Hoek Plants,” division of Victoria West; exchange of land, Malmesbury; lease, to M. C. Laubscher and D. L. Ehlers, of foreshore of sub-division of farm “Brandhuis,” Malmesbury; lease, to J. A. Melck and J. V. Duckitt respectively, of foreshore of farms “Ganze Kraal” and “Modder Rivier,” Malmesbury; exchange of land at Port Elizabeth; letting of farms under section 6 of Act No. 26 of 1891 (Cape); letting of Government lands and buildings under section 6 of Act No. 26 of 1891 (Cape); exchange of land, division of Prince Albert; grant, for school purposes, at Amalinda, East London; grant, to Village Management Board, Rooigrond, division of Mafeking; lease of fishing sites on farm “Otterdam,” Lambert’s Bay; excision from list of demarcated forest areas of Orange River Islands between Kenhardt and Gordonia; reservation, for Church land school purposes, in Pelandaba Location, Herschel; grant, for Church purposes, on Embokotwa Commonage; rescission of grant, for Church purpose tat Colosa, district of Idutywa; reservation, for fishery purposes, at North Ray, Saldanba Bay; lease, to W. Calvelly, at Mdumbi Mouth, Ngqeleni; lease, to H. Macminn, at Mtentu River Mouth, Lusikisiki; reservation, for Church and school purposes, in Nombeu’s Location, division of Herschel; grant of public cemetery, at Mount Ayliff; reservation, for Church purposes, in Mgubo’s Location, division of Herschel; lease of fishing sites, at Elands Ray, division of Piquetberg; reservation, for recreation ground, at Mqanduli.

It was agreed that the report be considered in committee on Thursday.

IMMIGRANTS’ RESTRICTION BILL. The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR

laid on the table correspondence which had passed between the Secretary of State for the Colonies and the Governor-General and Ministers of the Union, on the subject of the restriction of immigration. He might say that the correspondence had a very important bearing on the Immigrants’ Restriction Bill, the second reading of which was down for Monday next. He would ask hon. members to give their close attention also to certain other correspondence which was contained in the Blue-book on Asiatics, which was laid on the table some time back. Hon. members would find that the correspondence which passed between the Secretary of State for the Colonies and himself in 1909 had a very close bearing on the matter.

MONDAY’S ORDERS. Mr. J. X. MERRIMAN (Victoria West)

said he wished to ask the Minister of the Interior to be good enough to let the House know which Bills the Government would take on Monday. Hon. members did not know which Bills were to be taken on that date, and he thought it would be a great convenience to know, in order to prepare themselves.

The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR

replied that it was fairly certain that they would take on Monday the first three orders, which included the Immigrants’ Restriction Bill, and the committee stage of the Post Office Bill.

REPORTS LAID ON TABLE. The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND HARBOURS:

Number of white men employed by the Department of Railways and Harbours who are receiving a wage of three shillings a day or less; number receiving more than three and not more than four shillings; number receiving more than four, but less than six shillings a day.

The MINISTER OF RAILWAYS AND HARBOURS:

Papers in connection with the Gaika Loop railway accident, and the inquiry thereon.

The MINISTER OF FINANCE:

Estimates of expenditure, Natal, year ending 31st March, 1912; estimates of expenditure, Orange Free State, year ending 31st March, 1912; finance accounts, appropriation accounts, etc., Transvaal, let July, 1909, to 30th May, 1910, with the report of the Controller and Auditor-General thereon.

POLICE BILL. The MINISTER OF JUSTICE

brought up a report on the Select Committee on the Police Bill, and moved that the House go into committee on the Bill on Wednesday next.

Mr. G. A. LOUW (Colesberg)

seconded.

The motion was agreed to.

CAPE ESTIMATES. Mr. J. W. JAGGER (Cape Town, Central)

asked when the Estimates for the Cape Province would be ready?

The MINISTER OF FINANCE

said he was in the hands of the Provincial Administration.

THE BUDGET, 1911-12 THE MINISTER’S SPEECH The MINISTER OF FINANCE

moved that the House go into Committee of Supply on the Estimates of Expenditure for the year ending 31st March, 1912.

Mr. J. A. NESER (Potchefstroom)

seconded the motion.

The MINISTER OF FINANCE

said: Mr. Speaker,—I am afraid I shall be compelled tc make a considerable inroad upon the time and patience of hon. members this afternoon, and I shall be compelled to do this because I am anxious to place as full and as complete a statement as it is possible to do before the House and before the country upon the financial position of the Union. (Hear, hear.) And I am also anxious to prevent, if possible, a repetition of the kind of criticism which was directed against me when I presented my last Budget statement. It will be necessary, during the course of my statement, to deal with very considerable masses of figures, and also to make explanations with regard to some of these figures, which are of a very complicated character. I think it will be too much to expect that hon. members will be able to master all these figures as they come from me, and therefore I propose to adopt the suggestion that was made to me by several hon. members when I made my last Budget speech, namely, that I should print and circulato among members my statement, so as to enable them to follow the figures more closely, and to understand them better. (Hear, hear.) That course I propose to adopt, and I shall therefore cause to be printed and circulated, after I have made my statement, the figures which I intend to lay before hon. members to-day.

The MINISTER OF FINANCE

continued (according to the officially reprinted statement) as follows: Mr. Speaker,—When I made my Budget statement in November last the data at my disposal were naturally somewhat meagre, and it was impossible for me to give as full and accurate an exposition of the Union’s finances as I could have wished. During the interval it has been possible to increase very considerably our information respecting the finance under the control of this House. In the first place I would call attention to the Finance Accounts of the four Colonies as at 30th May, which have been laid on the table. The Controller and Auditor-General’s Reports upon three of these Finance Accounts (Cape, Transvaal, and Orango Free State) have already been presented to Parliament, and the audited accounts of Natal should be available before long.

DIVERSITY OF ACCOUNTS.

As will have been noticed, there was great diversity of practice in the four Colonies in regard to the keeping of Public Accounts, and the Finance Accounts, to which I have just referred, while most complete and comprehensive, in so far as concerned the respective Colonies to which they related, necessarily failed to convey any clear appreciation of the combined financial position under Union. For this reason it seemed to me to be necessary to have the four sets of Finance Accounts abstracted and the results embodied in convenient form in a finaneia1 White-book.

FINANCIAL WHITE-BOOK.

Copies of this White-book are in the hands of honourable members: it gives a mass of information regarding the balances on revenue, loan and other accounts, with which the Union commenced its existence. I venture to think that it will be of the greatest value in enabling honourable members to see clearly how we stood on the 31st, May last.

PUBLIC DEBT STATEMENT.

In addition to this White-book, a detailed statement has been laid on the table of the Public Debt of the Union at 31st May, 1910. I should like to say that the figures given in these returns have not been audited. I have little doubt as to their accuracy, but it is essential, of course, that they should be audited. If the Select Committee on Public Accounts, to which the Financial White-book has been referred, is satisfied, after considering the report of the Controller and Auditor-General, that it accurately and correctly sets out the position of the Union’s finances at 31st May, I presume that the House will be prepared to accept the figures included therein as the foundation of the Union’s accounts. It does not seem necessary for me, at this stage, to take the House step by step through the mass of figures set out in the financial White-book. The examination of the figures may appropriately be left to the Public Accounts Committee. But I would ask the indulgence of honourable members while I touch briefly upon the principal features. I shall confine myself to round figures. It will be perceived from the tabular statement on page 13 of the White-book that the total balances bequeathed to the Union by the four Colonies aggregated £23,529,000: made up of investments, £17,916,000; and cash, £5,613,000. This large amount comprised Revenue balances, Loan balances, and the balances on Trust and Deposit Accounts and in Sinking Funds. In a speech which I delivered in this House in November last, J gave certain tentative figures in respect of the Revenue and Loan balances brought into Union. The figures now put before honourable members differ somewhat from those previously given by me, and it is perhaps desirable that I should explain the cause of the differences. According to the White-book, the revenue balances brought into Union amounted to £1,478,000; whereas in my November speech I gave them as £2,161,000; a difference of £683,000. Now, Sir, when I mentioned these figures on the last occasion, I dealt with them in the same manner as that in which they appeared in the accounts of the several Colonies; that is to say, I included in them certain advances which had been made from the various Consolidated Revenue Funds. In the figures which are given in the Whitebook, these balances are treated differently: only actual cash is taken into account, and the amounts represented by the advances are deducted from the Consolidated Revenue balances. I am sure, Sir, that the House will agree that this is the proper way of showing the true position. Under the old method of treatment the balances in the Consolidated Revenue Funds were unduly inflated. The principal items which have now been dealt with in this way are—

In Natal Accounts

Ladysmith Municipality

£689

Working capital for Remount and Equipment Accounts

15,000

Repatriation

72,422

Amortisation Funds

3,065

£91,176

In Transvaal Accounts.

Cold Storage Co.

£59,834

Officials’ Houses

80,388

£140,222

In Free State Accounts.

Officials’ Houses

£29,041

Local Authorities

110,000

Bethlehem-Villiers Railway

41,461

Miscellaneous

32,696

£213,198

£444,596

The balance of £239,000 is represented by a variety of other adjustments in the accounts of the four Colonies that, on a closer examination of these accounts, seemed to me to be necessary.

LOAN BALANCES.

Turning now to Loan Balances—according to the White-book the balances on Loan Account brought into the Union at 31st May amounted to £2,923,000; whereas in my last Budget Statement I put the figure at £2,630,000. The difference of £293,900 is almost entirely accounted for by the inclusion in the White-book Statement of Cash balances, destined for Loan Services, amounting to £203,000, which, on 31st May last, were shown in the Transvaal Accounts as being in the hands of Accounting Officers.

DISPOSAL OF BALANCES.

Now, Sir, with regard to the disposal of these Revenue and Loan balances, I think it necessary to offer a few words of explanation.

From the discussions that took place during the first part of the session, it appeared that some honourable members experienced considerable difficulty in, understanding what was the position of affairs.

REVENUE BALANCES—DISPOSAL.

Well, Sir, taking first of all Revenue balances—the amount of £1,478,000—this sum is available far appropriation as Parliament may direct.

SUGGESTIONS AS TO DISPOSAL.

It has been suggested in some quarters that the money which each Colony bequeathed should have been specially earmarked and applied towards satisfying the commitments in respect of building and other “works” services respectively entered into by the various Governments prior to the Union: in other words, that whatever balances any Colony brought into Union should be applied only to services in that particular Colony. This is a policy which I could not endorse. It would involve an infringement of the letter and spirit of the South Africa Act, which contemplates that on the establishment of Union all Revenue balances shall become the property of the Union to be used in the general public interest; moreover, it would necessitate keeping a number of separate accounts and the continuation of the Provincial idea.

Another suggestion is that the Revenue balances brought into Union should be utilised in meeting current expenditure, and that a corresponding reduction should be made in the taxation of the country. I venture to think that this suggestion would not find any considerable support in this House, and it hardly seems necessary to explain why. It must be obvious that financial methods of this nature could not fail to bring discredit upon the country, since they would involve violent fluctuations in taxation, which would be most harmful to all sections of the community. What we want to see is stability and confidence, and the development of the Union, gradually, upon sound and economic lines.

GOVERNMENT POLICY.

The course which the Government favours is to apply these Revenue balances towards the reduction of the floating debt of the Union. This seems to be the most desirable, the most simple and the soundest policy from whatever point of view it be regarded. The benefit will be secured to the community as a whole, through the proportionate reduction in the public debt charges; the stability of the fiscal system will be preserved, and the credit of the Union will be improved in the eyes of the investor.

LEGISLATION.

The legislative sanction that will be necessary for this step is being provided for in a Bill which I propose to bring forward at an early date, and with the provisions of which I shall deal later on.

LOAN BALAN CES—DISPOSAL.

Turning now to the question of the disposal of the Loan balances brought into Union—the sum of £2,923,000 specified in the White-book—it only requires a very few wards to explain the position. On page 24 and the succeeding pages of the White-book will be found tables showing that these moneys are all assigned to definite loan services, and, under section 121 of the South Africa Act, they are deemed to have been appropriated for the purposes for which they were raised. There is no question, therefore, as to the purposes to which the Loan balances should be devoted.

TRUST AND DEPOSIT ACCOUNTS.

I now come to the balances of Trust and Deposit Accounts brought into Union on 31st May. They amounted in the aggregate to the vary large sum of £14,508,000. of which approximately 131/2 millions were invested, the balance being held in cash. In the White-book reference is made to the haphazard manner in which these Trust and Deposit moneys have been had ministered in the past. From every point of view it is desirable that the control of these funds should be vested in a central authority, and, with this object in view, the Public Debt Commissioners Bill has been introduced into the House, which I venture to think offers a simple and effectual means of disposing of these balances on a sound and satisfactory basis.

SINKING FUND BALANCES.

The balances on Sinking Fund Accounts— amounting to £4,620,000—do not seem to call far special remark at the present time. The machinery erected for dealing with these funds is still in operation, and any alteration that it may seem necessary to make therein will be subject to Parliamentary approval. I have already called attention to the fact that the balances brought into Union on 31st May last, under all heads, comprising Revenue Accounts, Loan Accounts, Trust and Deposit Accounts, and Sinking Funds, aggregated £23,529,000. of which £17,916,000 were invested, and £5,613,000 were represented by cash. This cash balance, however, was greatly in excess of current requirements, and I therefore deemed it undesirable to allow the money to remain idle.

REDEEM TREASURY BILLS.

The most profitable way of temporarily employing the cash was to redeem Treasury Bills and other floating debt, and so to relieve the interest charges upon the Exchequer. The amount of Treasury Bills and other floating debt redeemed in this way at the close of last month was £3,161,000, involving a direct saving in interest for the ten months’ period of £25,000.

TEMPORARY EXPEDIENT.

I should like it to be dearly understood that this method of employing these cash balances is only a temporary expedient, dictated by the ordinary requirements of public finance. Except in so far as Parliament may agree to appropriate, in reduction of floating debt, the surplus Revenue balances brought into Union on 31st May, the amount of loan moneys temporarily redeemed, in this way, will have to be restored to Loan. Account by means of fresh borrowings. Upon this point I shall deal at greater length when I come to the loan position. There are many other points in connection with the balances brought into Union on 31st May that I should very much like to touch upon, but I hesitate to occupy the time of the House when so much that must be explained on other subjects is still to come. So, with honourable members’ permission, I will proceed to deal with the finances of the ten months’ period which comes to an end on the 31st instant.

NOT RAILWAYS AND HARBOURS.

It should be borne in mind that the remarks I am about to make will not refer to the Railway and Harbour finances, which will be dealt with by my honourable friend the Minister of Railways and Harbours when be introduces his Estimates.

REVIEW 1910-11—(REVENUE)

It will be remembered that, including the contribution from the Railway and Harbour Fund and the extra yield from the Mining Profits Tax, I budgeted for a total Revenue of £13,811,000. I was criticised somewhat sharply at the time by some of my financial friends, who told me that my Estimate of Revenue for the ten months was altogether too optimistic, and that my expectations would not be realised. Well, Sir, I am glad to say that, so far as can be judged from the latest available returns, my Estimate will be more than realised, thus showing that the charges mad against me of being over-sanguine were groundless. My revised Estimate of the Revenue for the ten months’ period, including the Railway and Harbour contribution, is £14,014,000 an increase over my Budget figure, which was £13,811,000 of £203,000.

I venture to think that this is a gratifying result for the first financial period under Union.

VARIATIONS IN ESTIMATE.

It is desirable to examine the figures briefly in order to see what are the principal variations as compared with the Budget figures.

Increases.—Substantial increases are shown under the heads Customs (£30,000) and Post Office (£78,000). Now, it is undoubtedly very encouraging to find that the yield from Customs and Postal revenues is being so well maintained, since these sources of revenue may be regarded as fairly reliable barometers of the country’s progress. But I am far from saying that this large yield, more particularly from Customs, can continue to be reckoned upon; indeed, I am satisfied that the conditions during the past year have been abnormal, and that we should observe the greatest caution in fixing a figure for our Customs revenue for next year. However, J propose to deal with this subject at greater length when I come to present the Revenue Estimates for 1911-12. The increase of £78,000 in the revenue of the Post Office is due mainly to the development of telephone business. From the last monthly return published by the Treasury, it will be seen that the receipts of telephone revenue for the eight months to January 31 already equalled the estimate for the full ten months period. There is another head of Revenue which shows a substantial increase over the estimates, and that is Miscellaneous Revenue, which falls to be increased by £132,000. This increase is almost entirely due to repayments to Revenue, during the financial year, of certain of the Consolidated Revenue Fund advances (made by the late Colonial Governments) to which I referred earlier in the afternoon as having been excluded from the Union Revenue balances at May 31.

Decreases.—Turning now to the heads of Revenue which have failed to come up to expectations, the most important is the head Mining Revenue, the yield under which will most probaly fall short of the estimate by £65,000. This shortfall is due to the fact that expectations have been upset in regard to the amount of revenue to be contributed by the Premier Mine.

EXPENDITURE.

I come now to the Expenditure side of the account. Although some months must elapse before the true expenditure figures for the period can be obtained, I think a fairly accurate estimate can be framed of our position, and upon a conservative basis I expect the 31st March will show that the expenditure of the ten months has been considerably less than the estimate.

The expenditure which I budgeted for was

£13,807,000

My revised estimate is

£13,536,000

giving a saving of

£271,000

But it has always been my experience that accounting officers are inclined to err on the side of estimating their outgoings at too high a figure, and I should not be a bit surprised if this estimated saving of £271,000 prove to be under the mark.

An examination of the items which go to make up the figures of £271,000 shows that savings are anticipated on three-fourths of the votes included in the Estimates—from which it would appear that there was a general tendency on the part of accounting officers, at the beginning of the year, to over-estimate their requirements. But, Sir, I do not think these officers can be blamed for this; the circumstances were abnormal, and in many cases heads of departments had insufficient opportunities of studying carefully the needs of their respective administrations.

SAVINGS.

The principal savings are under the votes

Agriculture

£26,000

Union Celebrations

£25,000

Police

£40,000

Posts and Telegraphs

£25,000

Buildings

£61,000

It should be noticed, however, in regard to the last item—Buildings, £61,000—that this does not represent an actual saving: what it means is that the building contracts of the Public Works Department have advanced less quickly than was expected, and that the liability is only postponed.

EXCESSES.

The votes that show excesses are few in number and unimportant in amount, so I need not refer to them.

RECAPITULATION (1910-1911) FINANCES.

I have stated that on a revised estimate the Revenue for the ten months will amount to

£14,014,000

and the Expenditure for the same period will work out at

£13,536,000

The probabilities are, therefore, that the 31st March will find the Treasury with a surplus of

£478,000

But I hasten to add a word of warning lest a false sense of security may be created by the appearance of such a substantial balance at credit of our Revenue Account. Hon. members should not for a moment forget how this surplus is obtained, and that, in reality, our position is not nearly so favourable. This surplus of £478,000 is only arrived at after taking credit for the full amount of the contribution of £1,220,000 from the Railway and Harbour Fund. In other words, if we had relied only on our own sources of revenue, and had not received this substantial contribution from the railways, we should have had a balance on the other side of the account of £742,000.

DISPOSAL OF SURPLUS.

With regard to the disposal of the 1910-11 surplus of £478,000, I propose to defer dealing with this point until I have concluded my remarks upon the Estimates of the approaching twelve months.

OUR FINANCIAL POLICY.

But, Sir, before launching out upon an explanation of the 1911-12 Estimates, I would ask the indulgence of the House while I explain the views of the Government in regard to the future financial policy of the Union. When I made my last statement some of our critics insisted that the Government should then and there have made a declaration of their financial policy; they seemed to think that it was the duty of the Government, within a few months after the establishment of Union, to come down to this House and to propound a comprehensive scheme for the immediate organisation of the whole of the Union finances on a permanent basis. If these critics thought they were justified then in demanding such a declaration of policy, it is reasonable to assume that they will, unless reflection has cooled their ardour, make the same criticism again. It is perhaps as well, therefore, that I should anticipate those criticisms. I have very strong doubts whether many people in South Africa have closely and seriously examined and considered what important and far-reaching alterations are essential in the fiscal laws and financial arrangements of the several Provinces before the full spirit and intention of the Act of Union can be given effect to. The Legislative Union which was established created, in effect, a fiscal revolution. It is true that, so far, the revolution has, to some extent, been only on paper, but it is, of course, quite impossible to put off the practical questions indefinitely. It is quite clear that the fiscal inequalities that exist at present cannot be allowed to continue indefinitely (cheers)—but it is only when one comes to deal with these matters in a practical manner that the difficulties can be fully appreciated.

FISCAL REVOLUTION.

It seems to me that the fiscal revolution to which I have referred necessitates three things. In the first place it involves a gradual but complete revision and repeal of the different systems of taxation which now exist in the several Provinces, and the substitution in the place thereof of an uniform system of taxation.

PROVINCIAL SUBSIDIES.

In the next place it involves a complete revision and alteration of the differing principles upon which the Central Government—at present continuing the varying systems practised in the several colonies prior to Union—gives financial support to each Province for certain public services.

“BUSINESS PRINCIPLES.”

And, in the third place, it involves a radical change in the methods of operating the railways and harbours, and of dealing with the revenues from these services. I am sure the House will not take it amiss if I deal for a few moments with some of the changes which will have to be effected under the three heads just mentioned.

UNEQUAL TAXES.

Under the first bead, namely, the inequalities in taxation, we have already had some evidence during this session of Parliament that the public will not submit for any length of time to a continuation of the existing anomalies in taxation, and that some of them already demand that steps shall be taken without delay to bring about equality in taxation. The most striking of these inequalities are found under the following heads: In native taxation there is in the Transvaal a poll tax of £2 (rising in some cases to £3) per head, as against a hut tax of varying rate in the Cape; a poll tax of 20s. per head in the Orange Free State; and, in Natal, a poll tax of 20s., and also a hut tax of 14s. The 950,000 natives in the Transvaal contribute about £390,000 per annum in respect of poll tax (exclusive of pass fees amounting to about £340,000), whereas approximately 11/2 millions of natives in the Cape contribute some £120,000 by way of hut tax. In Natal, the European population, as well as the native, is liable to poll tax, but no similar tax on Europeans exists in the other Provinces. The Government has decided to abolish the poll tax in Natal—(cheers)—and after the present calendar year that tax will not be continued. But the remission of the poll tax in the case of Europeans and natives in Natal will be counterbalanced by the extension to that Province of such new and uniform methods of taxation as may be applied respectively to the white and native races throughout the Union.

ESTATE DUTY.

In the Transvaal there is a scientific system of death duties. Only nominal duties exist in the Free State; and, in Natal and the Cape, a system of succession duty is in operation. These duties will also have to be made uniform, and a common scale of duty made applicable to the whole of the Union in place of the varying provisions which exist at present. The Government has such a scheme in preparation, but it will require careful consideration both by the Government and by this House. At the same time we will endeavour to come to a satisfactory arrangement with the Imperial Government with regard to the payment of double duties. Turning now to the question of

TRANSFER DUTY.

—(cheers)—the inequalities in transfer duty are brought home to the taxpayers almost daily. (Cheers.) The duty in the Transvaal is 11/4 per cent., in the Cape 4 per cent., in Natal 3 per cent., and in the Free State 4 per cent. In the Transvaal the duty covers a Bar wider range than in the other Provinces, and embraces mining titles and long leases, with the result that the estimated average yield for the year 1911-12 from the 11/4 per cent. transfer duty in the Transvaal is £135,000, whereas from the 4 per cent, duty which is in force in the Cape Province the estimated yield is only £175,000 for the same period.

LICENCES.

on trades and professions also vary very considerably in the several Provinces. Some trades and professions are subject to a licence in one Province and are free from such licence in another Province. Again, the scales of licences vary very considerably, and these will also have to be made uniform.

STAMP DUTIES.

What I have said with regard to licences applies equally to Stamp Duties, and proposals are already before this House for obtaining legislative sanction to a uniform system of Stamp Duties.

MINING LAWS.

The State’s interest in precious stones and precious minerals varies very largely in each Province. In the Transvaal, in diamond properties the State claims 60 per cent, of the profits, and in the Orange Free State 40 per cent. In the Transvaal, upon discoveries of gold or precious metals upon a private farm, the private owner is entitled to a mining lease of 20 per cent of the area proclaimed, and the rest is at the disposal of the State. In the other Provinces, the State has no such participation in the mineral wealth. These varying systems of treatment will also have to be adjusted. (Cheers.)

EXCISE.

The Excise laws in the four Provinces are similarly productive of striking anomalies. In the Cape the following duties are levied: On wine brandy, 3s. per gallon; on spirits distilled from other produce of the vine, 6s. per gallon; on spirits distilled from other material, 10s. per gallon. In Natal there is a uniform duty on spirits of 9s. per gallon. In the Transvaal the Excise on spirits distilled from the produce of the vine is 9s. per gallon. In the Orange Free State the duty on all spirits is 9s. per gallon. The Beer Excise in Natal, the Transvaal, and Orange Free State is the same, viz.: 4d. per gallon. In the Cape it varies from 11/2d. to 3d. per gallon, according to strength.

PROVINCIAL SUBSIDIES.

I come mow to the second set of anomalies mentioned by me as having been brought prominently to notice by Union, the unequal system of giving State aid to certain public services administered by the Provincial Councils. What I have said with regard to the first head applies here also, namely, that the public will expect and demand that before long there shall be similarity (la) in the treatment of subsidies for education, and (b) in the method of providing the funds necessary for the erection of school buildings, and for the construction and maintenance of roads and bridges. (Cheers.)

“BUSINESS PRINCIPLES.”

It is, however, under the third head—the application of section 127 of the South Africa Act—that the most striking change of all will have to be given effect to—a change which will have the most far reaching effect upon the economic and fiscal affairs of the Union. Prior to the 31st May last, those Colonies whose railways showed a surplus of revenue over expenditure applied this surplus either towards meeting deficits on their Consolidated Revenue Funds, or in supplementing their general revenues. Those railway surpluses were especially large in the two inland Provinces—so large that for a number of years they were sufficient to meet, not only the interest and sinking fund charges on the whole of the railway capital, but also the interest and sinking fund on the rest of the debt of the two Colonies. The Act of Union has declared that this system of applying railway surpluses to supplement the general revenues shall cease—(cheers)—and that, within four years from the date of Union, the railway tariffs shall be so arranged that the earnings will approximate to the expenditure— in other words, that the railways shall not be used as a machine for raising revenue. This means, therefore, that unless the existing general revenues expand to such an extent as will enable them to meet the gap caused by the discontinuance of railway contributions, new sources of revenue will have to be opened up to meet the general expenditure. But this is not the only financial gap which will have to be bridged. A very fruitful source of general revenue has disappeared by the lapsing of the income tax law of the Cape. It is true that the income tax has been partially replaced by the Taxation of Mining Profits Act, but, even so, the discontinuance of the Cape income tax has meant a substantial shrinkage in the revenues yielded by the Province. It will be remembered that the income tax was rendered necessary in the Cape to balance expenditure, and that, even then, equilibrium was only obtained by suspending the sinking fund payments. The sinking fund payments have now been resumed, but these two items alone impose a considerable additional burden upon the Union. If the Union had not come about it is difficult to perceive how the Cape could have dome without the proceeds of its income tax. I think I have said enough by way of illustrating the extraordinary differences that exist in the fiscal laws of the late Colonial Parliaments. It will be manifest to all, I think, that no light task is involved in removing these anomalies— on the contrary, that it will require the expenditure of much time and labour to evolve scientific schemes of taxation to replace the present laws, as regard must be had, not alone to the co-ordination of the four different sets of laws in the case of each head of revenue, but also to the general fiscal requirements of the Government, and to the need for remedying the defects in administrative machinery, which experience has shown to exist, even in the best of these various measures.

UNION INCOME TAX.

One thing seems to emerge, and that is that we shall have to be extremely cautious in remitting or reducing the sources of taxation which at present contribute to the general revenues. Not only will we have to be cautious about remitting general taxation, but I think it will probably be necessary to open up new sources of taxation (probably a general income tax throughout the Union) to meet the gap which will be created when the railway cease to make any contributions to the general revenues. No alarm need, however, be felt at the prospect of any such new taxation, because it merely means a readjustment in the incidence of taxation. It means on the one hand that railway taxation to the extent of probably one million, or one and a half millions, will have to be remitted, and, on the other hand, that the sources of general taxation will have to be increased to make good the shortage on our Consolidated Revenue Fund, due to the surrender of railway revenue. Well, Sir, the view has been expressed in some quarters that all these anomalies should be removed without delay—that uniformity of taxation should be at once introduced throughout the Union. But I am afraid it would be quite impossible to have all the necessary measures prepared at the same time, and, even if they could be prepared, it would be too much to expect that they could all be put through Parliament during one session. But a more serious factor than either of these would be the upheaval that would be created in the economic situation. Finance, trade, and commerce would be shaken to their foundations. The only practicable course, in my opinion, is to proceed gradually, so that the country may accustom itself by degrees to the changed order of things—a batch of connected measures being taken each year until the whole programme is worked off. The preparation of such a scheme, involving, as it necessarily must, the removal of all the anomalies and inequalities to which I have referred, is, of course, no easy task, and I am sure that every reasonable person who has thought about the matter will agree that it is impossible to expect that any Government would be able in the course of a few months to prepare and submit a comprehensive programme for dealing with all these thorny and intricate problems. For the reasons, I think the House will agree that the Government is following a wise and prudent course in refraining from hurrying forward and deailing in this first session with any large scheme of financial reorganisation.

ESTIMATE’S, 1911-12.

With these preliminary remarks, I would now ask honourable members to consider the Estimates of the year upon which we are about to enter.

OVER-ESTIMATION.

Looking at the Budgets in the several South African Colonies over the last seven or eight years, it is rather remarkable to find how frequently the various Treasurers have been found to be out in their Estimates of Revenue; but I know from my own experience that, in a young country, it is a most difficult matter to make an accurate forecast of revenue. Trade fluctuates so suddenly that the most carefully prepared Estimates have frequently been upset. The only specific rule that can be laid down is this—be cautious, and don’t budget for a high revenue, unless you can do so with certainty, because high Revenue Estimates mean a correspondingly high expenditure, and once expenditure on new services is commenced it is most difficult to stop or reduce it. In framing my Revenue Estimates for the coming year I have borne this rule in mind, and I have also been mindful of some other considerations: (1) One consideration that I have kept in mind is that there has been a great expansion in trade and in imports and exports during the past year, not only in South Africa but elsewhere, and. I think it would be unwise to assume that this abnormal expansion can continue indefinitely. Although I do not think we have reached the limit of the present era of abnormal expansion, still I think it prudent to provide against a set-back. There has been evidence of some fluctuations already (not very great) in the returns of Railway and Customs receipts of the past few months. (2) Another point I have remembered is the warning given to us a few months ago, by some of the representatives in this House of the gold industry, that the expansion on the Rand during the last twelve months has been abnormal. (3) There has also been the warning recently issued by the President of the Johannesburg Chamber of Commerce to merchants. In his opinion, merohants have been on the crest of the wave, and he told them they must beware of a falling-off in business. I submit, Sir, that these are warnings which we cannot afford to disregard, and therefore I think we should be cautious in our expectations, more particularly in regard to Railway Receipts and Oustoms Revenue.

At the same time, there is strong evidence that the purchasing capacity of the people generally has increased. The farming population are in a better position today than they have been for many years— (cries of “No, no ”)—and their prosperity is generally reflected on the rest of the community, because the bulk of the money which comes to them from their produce remains and is spent in this country, which is not the case with the profits derived from the mining industry.

REVENUE, 1911-12.

I have taken all these factors into consideration, in placing my Estimate of Revenue for the coming year at £14,859,000.

It is desirable that I should offer a short review of the principal heads of Revenue and of the yield estimated to be received therefrom.

CUSTOMS.

The Oustoms Revenue I have placed at £4,302,000, which is upwards of £200,000 less than the yield for the preceding twelve months. It may be thought that I have been too modest in my estimate, but I have already indicated my reasons for thinking that the rate of importation of dutiable goods is not likely to be maintained at the same high level as during the past year. Recent events have impressed me with the need for caution. There is also to be borne in mind that the consumption of locally manufactured articles is increasing, particularly tobacco and spirits, and that dutiable importations must be displaced to a proportionate extent. In all the circumstances, I am satisfied that it would not be safe to place the Customs Revenue at more than £4,302,000.

IMPORTS AND EXPORTS.

Before passing on from the subject of Customs, it will be of interest if I give a few statistics of the imports and exports for the year 1910, as compared with the preceding year.

IMPORTS.

The value of the gross imports of merchandise into the Union of South Africa during 1910 (exclusive of diamonds in transit, raw gold in transit, articles for South African Governments and specie) shows an increase of over 73/4 millions as compared with the previous year, equivalent to 29.7 per cent, advance. The value of articles for South African. Governments increased from £1,135,000 to £2,720,000, and specie from £1,507,000 to £2,213,000; the grand totals being £28,863,000 and £38,941,000 for 1909 and 1910 respectively — an increase of £10,078,000, or nearly 35 per cent.

INCREASES.

The increases are very general, but are most noticeable in the following articles: Apparel and slops, cotton manufactures, electrical cables and fittings, haberdashery and millinery, hardware and cutlery, iron and steel manufactures, leather goods, including boots and shoes, machinery, oils, stationery and books, vehicles, including bicycles and motor cars, wood and timber and woollen manufactures.

DECREASES.

On the other hand, with the exception of rice, the decreases consist entirely of articles manufactured or produced in South Africa, viz., blasting compounds, candles, butter, wheat, eggs, oatmeal, lard, and sugar.

EXPORTS.

The value of the exports of South African produce for 1910 shows an increase of nearly £4,000,000, or about 8 per cent.

INCREASES.

The following articles show substantial increases in value: Bark, coal, diamonds, ostrich feathers, fodder and forage, maize, raw gold, Angora hair, hides and skins, tin ore, wool, sugar, and whale oil. In all these oases, with the exception of ostrich feathers, Angora hair, and wool the increases in value are accompanied by increases in quantities.

DECREASES.

Copper ore shows a decrease of £52,000, owing, I believe, more to irregular shipments than to diminishing output; and oats a decrease of £67,000.

CUSTOMS REVISION.

There is a further point that I should touch upon before leaving the question of import Duties. I refer to the question of a revision of the Tariff. The Government are alive to the need that exists for a thorough overhauling of the present Tariff, which, unquestionably, is defective in many respects. But it would be inadvisable to take any active steps in the matter until the Government are in possession of the recommendations of the Customs and Industries Commission, which is conducting exhaustive inquiries into Customs and allied matters at the present time,

POST OFFICE.

The figure of £1,385,000, at which I have put my estimate of Postal Revenue, is believed to be a most conservative estimate, The expansion in every branch of Post Office activities during the past year has been most marked; and nowhere more noticeable than in the case of telephones, The receipts from this class of business show extraordinary elasticity and give promise of continued expansion. In other directions the developments have also been remarkable, and there is no reason to anticipate that the estimate will not be realised. The revenues of the Post Office for the past waive months will amount, according to the Department’s latest returns, to £1,407,000—from which hon. members will see that my estimate for 1911-12 is lower by £22,000 than the collections for the past year. The expansion that has already taken place in South Africa is strikingly illustrated by a comparison of the following figures, indicating the Post Office business during the calendar years 1910 and 1909:

POSTAL REVENUE.

The total amount of revenue earned by the Post Office in 1910 amounted to £1,410,000. This is an increase of £108,000 over the combined earnings of the four separate Colonies for the calendar year 1909. All branches of Post Office business contributed to this increase.

MONEY ORDERS.

The increase in the value of money orders issued during the year was £167,000. The payment of money orders also shows an increase of £84,000.

POSTAL ORDERS

The popularity of the Postal Order shows no abatement. During the last calendar year there was an increase of £300,000 in the value of orders issued. The value of postal orders paid shows an increase of £309,000.

SAVINGS BANKS.

As a further indication of the prosperity of the country and the people generally, the Savings Banks’ figures afford convincing proof. In 1910 the increased value of deposits amounted to £546,000, exclusive of Savings Bank Certificates in the Cape, which increased by £48,000. The balance standing to the credit of depositors on the 31st December last, including the value of Savings Bank Certificates in the Cape Province, amounted to £6,054,000, showing an increase as compared with the balances on the 31st December, 1909, of £864,000. The depositors in the Savings Banks throughout the Union now number 218,617, being 20,399 greater than at the end of the previous year (1909). The average amount standing to the credit of each depositor is £28.

TELEGRAPHS.

The number of telegrams increased by 283,000, and the telegraph revenue by £31,000.

TELEPHONES.

As compared with the telephone connections on the 31st December, 1909, there was an increase of 2,750 on the 31st December, 1910. The total mileage of wire added during the year was 2,650. So much for Post Office Revenues.

MINING REVENUE.

I come now to the head Mining Revenue, which is put at £2,243,000, as compared with £1,750,000 for the preceding twelve months—an increase of £403,000. This increase is made up as follows:

£

Bewaarplaatsen

180,000

Licences and Dues

35,000

Diamond Mines

65,000

Diamond Mines, Arrears of 1910-11

100,000

Gold Mines

70000

Base Metals (New Taxation)

43,000

493,000

PREMIER MINE.

It must be admitted that the elasticity in Mining Revenue affords a striking proof of the value and vigour of the industry. Nor must the fact be overlooked that my forecast takes account of the reduced profits of the Premier Mine, as disclosed by the recently published accounts of the company. In this connection I may direct the attention of the House to the question of the State’s share in Diamond Mines. As the House knows, under the Transvaal law the State shares to the extent of 60 per cent, in the profits made in diamond mining; that law was passed in 1903, shortly after the discovery of the Premier Mine. At that time the yield from the Premier Mine was about. 1.3 carats par load, and the value of the diamonds was about 27s. 9d. per carat. There can be little doubt that one of the factors (if not the main factor) which influenced the Transvaal Legislature in fixing the State’s share at the high rate of 60 per cent. was the high rate of profit which it was estimated the mine would yield. The latest returns from the mine show that the yield has fallen from 1.3. carats per load to 23 per load, and that the value per carat has fallen by nearly one-half. I mention these facts because they are matters which Parliament will, no doubt, have to take into consideration when the time comes for introducing uniformity of legislation in the matter of the State’s share in the profits of diamond mines.

INDIRECT REVENUE.

A fact that is often overlooked in connection with Mining Revenue is that the direot taxation forms only a portion of the receipts derived by the Treasury from this vast industry. The indirect Revenue, in the form of Customs Dues, cannot, unfortunately, be closely estimated, but the amount must be very large; in addition to this, the Railways derive an enormous revenue from the mining activities of the country.

VALUE OF INDUSTRY.

A few figures showing the output of and labour employed on the mines may serve to give an indication of the relative importance of this industry in the body politic. During the year ended 30th June, 1009, the output of the principal minerals, as far as ascertainable, was as follows:

Gold

£31,147,000

Diamonds

7,942,000

5,507,000 carats

Coal

1,923,000

6,686,000 tons

Base Metals

98,000

41,110,000

The production: of this output gave direct employment to nearly 33,000 whites and 282,0 coloured persons. The mineral industry in the Union may, if the labour supply be not deficient, be expected to show some further expansion: during the coming financial year. On the Witwatersrand two large new producers have just commenced crushing operations. One of these, with a battery of 600 stamps, is carrying on work on a section of reef from which hitherto no gold has been produced. On the far eastern Rand, two new large producers will commence crushing during the coming year. This eastern, section of the Rand at present contains the largest number of developing mines, and most of them may be expected to become considerable producers in the not very distant future. Among others, a large area of 2,600 claims, leased by the Transvaal Government, should, in time, add a considerable quota to the output. Under the terms of the lease, the Government will share in the profits of the company to a large extent, and we may expect therefrom, in time, a handsome contribution to the general Revenue. While new producers are thus coining forward to augment the output, some of the older mines are approaching the exhaustion of their payable ore, and this will tend to balance accounts somewhat. We have, however, not arrived at the stage when the gold mining industry of the Rand may he expected to show a gradual decline, and the Union may look forward generally to a slight further increase in the production of gold. When it is realised that, in the twenty-five years of its existence, the Rand has produced rather less than 300 million rounds worth of gold, and that its further production may be estimated at 2,000 millions, the importance of this enormous asset in the future progress and development of the Union may be to some extent realised. As far as can be seen, the output of precious metal from the rest of the Union, while not likely to show any decrease, cannot be expected to make any considerable advance during the coming year.

STAMP DUTIES.

As hon, members are aware Stamp Duties are the subject of consideration at the present time, with a view to the consolidation of the laws of the Union. But although the proposed tariff differs materially from the tariffs now in existence, it is not designed to bring in any increased revenue. My estimate of revenue from this source for the coming year has, therefore, been placed at £496,000, as compared with £480,000 for the previous twelve months. The increase of £16,000 in the estimated yield is expected as a consequence of the policy of centralising the administration of these stamp duties in one department. In the past, owing to the responsibility for collection of stamp duties being distributed among various Government Departments, it is to be feared that there was considerable loss of revenue.

INTEREST.

The only other head of Revenue of which special mention need be made at the pre sent time is Interest, £2,806,000. This item includes a sum, of £2,554,000 recoverable from the Railway and Harbour Administration in respect of the interest, on their capital, as prescribed in the South Africa Act. I would explain that the amount in question is provisional and is liable to alteration, as the actual amount of the Railways and Harbours capital upon which interest is payable has not been finally agreed upon between the Administration and the Treasury. It is unlikely however, that the Administration’s liability to the Treasury will be less than the sum included in the Estimates.

The yield of interest for the preceding twelve months is put at £2,946,000, so it will be seen that I am budgeting for a decrease of £140,000 from this source. This decrease is due partly to the fact that the 1910-11 figures included a special payment and partly to the fact that our balances are very much reduced. It is unnecessary to say more at the present time on the subject of the Revenues of the coming year.

EXPENDITURE, 1911-1912.

Turning now to the Expenditure of the approaching financial year, the first point to which I would call attention is the form of the Estimates. From the debate on my November Budget, it was apparent that hon. members felt themselves handicapped in criticising the Government’s proposals by the fact that the figures included therein covered only a ten months period, both in regard to the 1910-11 column, and the preceding year’s column of comparison. As explained by me at the time, this imperlection was unavoidable in the peculiar circumstances. In the draft Estimates now before us, the 1910-11 column of comparative figures represents the Estimates for that ten months period, with an addition of one-fifth, except that, in the case of certain special services, such as Public Debt, where it would be manifestly incorrect land misleading to follow such a course, the actual twelve months’ expenditure figures are given. The cases in which the actual twelve months’ figures are given in the comparative column are indicated by means of a footnote. This method was approved by the Public Accounts Committee. The Estimates have also been much improved in the matter of fuller detail. The information now given is considerably greater than in the current year’s Estimates, and in addition, thirty-three pages of appendices have been added, giving a quantity of information which I believe will prove useful.

EXPLANATORY SCHEDULES.

A schedule has been laid on the table explaining the variations between establishments shown in the Estimates, 1910-11 and 1911-12 respectively, and also a detailed schedule of all pensions chargeable against the Pensions Vote. The latter should furnish a most useful guide to hon. members when the Pensions Vote comes under consideration of the House. With these remarks, loan proceed to deal with the Expenditure Estimates, 1911-12. The Government’s proposals for the new year’s expenditure are contained in 40 votes, as compared with 41 votes in the current Estimates. The vote that has dropped out is that for Union celebrations.

The total sum provided for in these 40 votes is £16,166,000. The total of the estimated expenditure for the preceding year, as shown in the general abstract, as amended (pages 3 and 4 of the Estimates) is £16,796,000. The estimated expenditure for the year 1911-12, therefore, shows a decrease upon the Estimates of the previous year of £630,000.

INCREASED VOTES.

Upon three votes only are substantial increases of expenditure observable; they are:

Interior

£83,000

Mines

66,000

Posts and Telegraphs

44,000

The Interior increase of £83,000 is due entirely to the cost of the census and the registration of voters—increases of £76,000 and £7,000, respectively, being shown under these sub-heads of the vote. This, of course, represents expenditure necessitated by Parliamentary enactments.

The mines increase of £66,000 arises mainly on two heads. In the first place there is a transfer from the Provincial Estimates of a sum of £30,000 for the construction of mine roads. This, it will be observed, is not an actual increase of expenditure, but merely an adjustment between the Mines and the Provincial Administrations Vote. The other item that contributes to the increase is the provision of £25,000 to form the nucleus of a Miners’ Phthisis Fund.

The Post Office increase of £44,000 is largely attributable to increased establishments necessitated, partly by the general expansion in the business of this Department to which I have already alluded, and partly to the fact that new post offices and telephone offices have been opened throughout the Union, which naturally have to be staffed. This demand for increased assistance supports the view which is being more land more impressed upon me that retrenchment in the Post Office was carried to inordinate lengths by the various Colonial Governments. Insufficient confidence in the future of the country has resulted in large numbers of trained and experienced public servants being placed on pension. The consequences are that the State has been deprived of the services of many qualified men, whose assistance would be invaluable at the present time, and that the pension charges on the Treasury have been enormously swollen. I venture these observations in order to sound a note of warning, because I see a disposition in many quarters to ignore the lessons of the past, and to repeat the costly errors of recent years. It is, indeed, false economy to hustle men on to the pension roll when, by the exercise of a little foresight, their services may be made full use of in filling vacancies caused by the country’s expanding requirements. To pass on to a more pleasing aspect of the

POSTAL VOTE.

it should be noted that the estimated cost of this administration is £1,485,000. On the other hand, the estimated earnings total £1,385,000, showing a shortfall of £100,000. But there must be set against this the value of the free services performed by the Post Office for Government Departments, £191,000. So that the Administration is actually working at a profit.

The MINISTER OF POSTS AND TELEGRAPHS:

Hear, hear.

DECREASED VOTES. The MINISTER OF FINANCE:

Let us examine now the decreases in expenditure. Substantial decreases are found on four votes:

£

Public Debt

101,000

Pensions

35,000

Provincial Administrations

347,000

Buildings and Bridges

348,000

PUBLIC DEBT.

The reduction of £101,000 on the amount provided under the Public Debt Vote is due entirely to the reduction in the floating debt of the Union. I have already explained that the floating debt has been temporarily reduced by a very considerable amount—by utilising for this purpose the available Cash balances in the Treasury. It will thus be perceived that the consolidation of balances brought about by Union has had the immediate result of providing a means of reducing very considerably the current debt charges of the Union.

REDEMPTION TOO LIBERAL.

But, notwithstanding this reduction in the Public Debt Vote, the total burden upon the Treasury for loan charges is a very heavy one and calls for serious consideration. If we examine the various subheads of the vote, we cannot fail to be struck by the large provision made under Sub-head C., Redemption, for Sinking Funds—a sum of £722,000 being provided for this purpose. The point to which I wish to draw attention is this—that there is good reason for thinking that this provision of £722,000 is largely in excess of the actual needs of the case, bearing in mind that out of the Union’s total loan liability of, roughly, 1161/2 millions, no less an amount than 751/4 millions are invested in railways and harbours, or nearly 65 per cent of the whole. The South Africa Act provides for the maintentance of the railways land harbours of the Union up to standard out of the revenues of the Administration, and, therefore, it cannot reasonably be argued that, in addition to keeping this valuable asset up to standard, the State should accumulate a sinking fund for the redemption of the loan capital. That is surely an unjustifiable burden to impose upon the taxpayer. However, I shall deal further with this point when I come to the debt position.

The Pension Vote reduction of £35,000 is due mainly to the fact that the apportionment of the awards made to persons in the Transvaal by the War Casualties and Injuries Commission (appointed by the late Transvaal Government) has been practically completed. These awards consisted mainly of non-recurrent gratuities.

PENSIONS BILL.

It is fitting that I should here mention that the Government hope, during next Session of Parliament, to bring forward a Bill establishing the pension rights of officers of the Union Public Service. Of course, under the Act of Union, the rights of men in the late Colonial Government Services are preserved to them, but it is necessary to consolidate the various laws as far as possible, and also to provide for the rights of new entrants into the Union Public Service. Passing on to the next vote that shows a large reduction—

PROVINCIAL ADMINISTRATIONS.

—on which the provision for 1911-12 is less by £347,000 than the provision for the preceding twelve months, prints of the draft Estimates of Natal and the Orange Free State were laid on the table earlier in the afternoon. I expect that the Estimates of the other two Provinces will be available very shortly. The reduction of £347,000 in the Union Vote for Provincial Administrations arises mainly under the head “Roads and Local Works” in the Provincial Estimates. The sums provided for under this head are far below the amounts which have been requisitioned by the Provincial Administrations;, and are also, in my opinion, far less than is needed to meet the ordinary requirements of the various Provinces. I will revert to this subject again presently.

UNEXPENDED BALANCES.

It will be noticed from the footnote to the Provincial Administrations Vote that it is proposed to issue to the Provinces the full subsidies granted in respect of the year, notwithstanding that there may be a balance unexpended alt the end of March. It is proposed also to adopt this practice in regard to the current fiscal period. It will appeal to hon. members, I think, that any other course would be fraught with innumerable difficulties and would tend to complicate enormously both the financial operations of the Provinces land the estimates and accounts of the Union. I need only point to the fact that the final expenditure of the Provinces can only be determined months after the close of the financial year—land only then could it be stated what would be the unexpended balance to be surrendered to the Treasury, and what sums would have to be provided in the Union Estimates to cover re-votes on Provincial works. The only practical course is to regard the subsidies as lump sum grants—maintaining, of course, the obligation imposed upon the Provincial Administrations by the South Africa Act to obtain the Governor-General’s approval to any variations in their approved Estimates.

ALLOCATION OF SUBSIDIES.

While on the subject of this vote, I think it desirable to allude to the criticisms which have been passed in this House and in the press regarding the subsidies to the Provinces. Comparisons have been made between the various grants contributed by the Central Government, mostly to the effect that the Transvaal has been unduly favoured. I do not think that these criticisms are fair or just, and they certainly will not stand examination. It is ridiculous to judge of these subsidies merely by the size of the Province or the number of its inhabitants. One is bound, also, to take into account the amount of revenue derived by the Central Government from the respective Provinces, and not only that, but also the different systems of granting State aid which have been established in the various colonies in the past. If we examine the question of these subsidies from the point of view of the relative contributions to the Union revenues, it will at once be seen that the Transvaal is by no means the favoured Province that it is supposed to be. The surplus revenues from railways contributed by the Transvaal far exceed the surpluses of the other Provinces; even its Customs receipts were considerably in excess of those of the Cape, notwithstanding the fact that the latter has a much larger population; and out of the 51/2 millions of inland revenue, estimated for the coming year, the Transvaal’s contribution will be over three millions. The percentages of inland revenue are:

Transvaal

58 per cent

Gape

25 per cent

Natal

10 per cent

Free State

7 per cent

These figures should be studied and re membered by the impetuous critic. But to proceed with my remarks upon the votes in the 1911-12 Estimates, which show reductions as compared with the previous year’s figures. The remaining vote, which shows a Large decrease, is

BUILDINGS AND BRIDGES.

for which a sum of

£321,000

is asked, as against for the previous year

669,000

The reduction is, therefore

£348,000

and is largely explained by the fact that the heavy programme of works in hand in certain of the Colonies at May 31 last has been overtaken during the past ten months, and that we are, therefore, approaching a more normal state of affairs. Being mindful, also, of the criticisms passed upon me regarding expenditure upon works during the last Budget discussion, I have applied the pruning knife most vigorously to the demands of all departments of the public service—so vigorously that I am afraid that I have gone too far and have cut out services which are essential to the welfare of the State. I will revert again to this point presently.

RECAPITULATION (1911-12).

Let me now recapitulate the figures for the approaching financial year:

Excluding the Railway and Harbour contribution, my estimate of the revenue for the 12 months is

£14,859,000

and of the expenditure

16,166,000

This gives a shortfall

of 1,307,000

and I shall proceed to explain how I propose to make up the shortfall. There is, first of all, the Railway and Harbour contribution, to which it is again necessary to have recourse. Last November I stated that my demands upon the Railway and Harbour Fund would be diminished by equal stages during each of the four years allowed by the South Africa Act, calculated to wipe out the contribution within the prescribed period. The contribution for the current ten months’ period is £1,220,000—or at the rate of £1,464,000 per annum. Following out the policy I indicated earlier in the session, this anuual rate of contribution falls to be reduced from £1,464,000 to £1,159,000, and that is the sum I propose to claim from my hon. friend the Minister of Railways and Harbours in aid of the coming year’s revenues.

Deducting this amount of

£1,159,000

from the shortfall of on the Consolidated Revenue Fund, the shortfall is

1,307,000

reduced to

£148,000

which is not very formidable, and might be faced with equanimity even if no further reduction therein were practicable. It is my intention, however, to put forward proposals, during the present session, providing for the removal of two of the minor anomalies in the fiscal laws of the Union and, on balance, these proposals, if adopted, should reduce somewhat the estimated deficit for the year.

CIGARETTE TAX.

The first of these schemes involves the extension to the whole Union of the cigarette tax—(cheers)—hitherto in force only in the Cape. This is a source of revenue that seems to me to be a perfectly fair one, and one that has a great deal to be said in its favour. I may say, however, that I do not favour the method of collection in force in the Cape, which seems to be clumsy and ineffective and capable of easy evasion. The proper system, in my opinion, is to lay upon the importer, or manufacturer—(cheers)-—and not upon the retailer—the responsibility of paying the tax. The extension of this tax to the whole Union, coupled with the introduction of a more effective system of collection, would, it is estimated, give an additional revenue of about £65,000 per annum. But it will be necessary, of course, to allow some time to elapse to get the machinery into fid, working order. Accordingly, it would not be safe to reckon upon an additional yield from this source, during the ensuing financial year, of more than £45,000.

PATENT MEDICINES TAX.

The other proposal which I intend to put forward is that the patent medicines tax in the Cape Province should be repealed. (Cheers.) The yield from this tax is unimportant—only Some £11,000 per annum— and in view of this, and of the irritation which it creates, and the great difficulty experienced by the Revenue officers in administering the law on the subject, I have come to the conclusion that it would be much better to remove the impost from the Statute-book altogether. (Cheers.) Setting the gain (£45,000) on the cigarette tax, under these proposals, against the loss of the patent medicines tax (£11,000), there remains a balance of £34,000, which would bring the shortfall for the year (£148,000) within measurable distance of £100,000.

SINKING FUND CONTRIBUTIONS.

And, if Parliament agrees to the proposals, which I shall make presently, for the reduction of the annual provision for debt redemption, the result should be a useful surplus: a satisfactory state of affairs, I venture to think, when we remember that it will have been accomplished (a) notwithstanding the reduction of our demands upon the Railway and Harbour Fund in respect of the new financial year by £305,000, and (b) the remission of the patent medicines tax. So much for the financial position on Revenue Account at 31st March, 1912. I must now ask hon. members to return with me to the figures of the fiscal period expiring at the end of the present month.

REVERTS TO 1910-11 SURPLUS.

They will recollect that I gave, as the revised results of this ten months’ period, an excess of revenue over the expenditure of the period off £478,000. Parliament must decide as to the purposes to which this surplus should be applied. In the Public Debt Commissioners Bill, now before the House, provision is made for the surplus revenues of any financial year being handed over to the Public Debt Commissioners, but, in so far as concerns the excess revenue of the current fiscal period, I consider that this clause in the Bill should not apply—that its operation should only take effect in respect of the accounts of the ensuing financial year.

NOT A REAL SURPLUS.

My reasons for coming to this conclusion are that it is idle to regard this sum of £478,000 as a surplus, when it is a matter of common knowledge that the country is crying out for public works of various descriptions to meet the most ordinary public requirements. In the matter of schools, post offices, and Government buildings, the country is most inadequately equipped, and it is impossible to ignore any longer the reasonable demands, not alone in regard to Union services, but also in respect to Provincial works. In the Provincial Administrations Vote for the coming year, practically no provision has been made for new public works to be carried out in the four Provinces. The Government cut out of the draft Provincial Estimates 1911-12 practically al the new works for which provision was sought by the four Executive Committees. It was recognised at the time that this was an arbitrary proceeding, as many of the works thus deleted were clearly of a most urgent character. And I was obliged to give to the Administrators an assurance that if, when we neared the end of the year, it was seen that something could be done for them, the Government would submit to Parliament a Supplementary Estimate of Provincial Public Works for the new financial year. The only alternative is to borrow money to carry out the works in question, and, as I have explained to the House on previous occasions, I am most strongly opposed to borrowing money for the erection of the smaller descriptions of public buildings, even when the aggregate cost of such buildings runs into a comparatively largo figure. The obligation upon a State to provide for its normal requirements in the way of schools and other district building requirements is as much an ordinary and recurrent liability as the responsibility for meeting its public debt charges, or the cost of its clerical establishments, since the gradual growth of population and expansion of the country must obviously run hand in hand with a demandi for schools and other building equipment—at no time in the history of a virile country can its equipment in these respects be regarded as completed. Consequently, if we in South Africa dip too deeply into the coffers of the money market for funds to meet services of this description, we shall be pledging our assets to meet our current liabilities, creating a heavy burden of debt for our children to meet (if they can) and abusing the trust reposed in us to safeguard the interests of those who come after us as zealously as we would our own.

CONTRIBUTION FROM RAILWAYS.

I propose, therefore, to lay before Parliament in a few days’ time, a Supplementary Estimate of Expenditure out of Revenue upon Public Works for Union and Provincial services. Nor will this list be limited to the amount of our surplus of £478,000 for the current ten months period, because my hon. friend the Minister of Railways and Harbours informs me that he is in the happy position, if Parliament so decides, of being able to make to the Treasury a special grant of £300,000 out of his surplus earnings for the current period— (cheers) that is to say, in addition to the sum of £1,220,000 for which I budgeted some months ago.

These two sums—our own surplus of £478,000 and my hon. friend’s additional grant of £300,000—together amount to £778,000, and I propose to round off this figure to £750,000, and to ask Parliament to consider a Supplementary Public Works Programme of that amount. In this programme of three-quarters of a million I propose to provide, among other services, for the school buildings so urgently required in the Cape Province. (Cheers.) In the earlier part of the present session, I stated that the Government were alive to the need for making provision for these urgent requirements, and, at that time, as there was no certainty that we could meet the situation without having recourse to borrowing, and as it was quite clear that the provision must be made somehow, I indicated that the service might be included in a Loan Bill. Fortunately, this most objectionable alternative need not be resorted to if my present proposals are approved. But I hasten to say that the fact of our providing out of revenue for these Cape school loans must not be taken as implying that the moneys will be granted as a free gift; the conditions laid down by law whereby the beneficiaries undertake partial liability for paying interest and repaying capital will be strictly adhered to— (cheers)—notwithstanding the fact that the Government propose to find the money out of revenue. The source from which the Government finds the money will make no difference whatever to the terms and conditions of the loans. This, Sir, concludes my remarks with regard to the Revenue portion of our finances. The substance of these remarks is that, as regards the present period of ten months, our accounts, when we get final figures, should show an excess of Revenue over

Expenditure of

£478,000

to which I propose to add an amount of

300 000

specially contributed from the Surplus Railway Revenue of the present year—making

£778,000

out of which I recommend that we should take

750,000

to meet a Supplementary Public Works Programme of Union and Provincial services—allowing a — margin of

£28,000

for contingencies

As regards the Estimates for the new year 1911-1912—if my proposals, in regard to the Cigarette Duty, the Patent Medicines lax, and the revision of the Sinking Fund Contributions are adopted, we should establish an equilibrium between Revenue and Expenditure. I submit that it is a matter for congratulation that this House and the country at large should have such a satisfactory financial statement to consider at the present time, but I would again utter a note of warning as to the uncertainty of the future, lest the financial success that Union has, so far, experienced, should induce a spirit of extravagance in our national expenditure.

LOAN POSITION.

But this does not, unfortunately, finish my story—because there still remains a chapter dealing with our loan position and the Government’s proposals in regard there to. I trust that hon. members will bear with me a little longer while I explain this most important division of our finances.

DEBT AND LOAN EXPENDITURE.

In addition to the Estimates of Expenditure out of Revenue now before Parliament, I propose, in a few days’ time, to submit for the consideration of the House Estimates of Expenditure from Loan moneys, and it is necessary that I should explain the nature of the loan expenditure and the sources from which it will be met. Before proceeding to do this, however, I propose to make some allusions to the public debt of the Union and the arrangements made by the late Colonies for its redemption, and I propose also to state the future policy of the Government in regard to these matters.

The total public debt which the Union inherited from the four Colonies was £116,500,000.

Of this amount,

1.

£106,340,000

was “funded,” that is to say, it was represented by stock and long-term debentures.

2.

£9,700,000

was “floating,” represented by Treasury bills, bank advances, and certain short-term debentures.

3.

£460,000

was represented by advances of a special character from the Natal General Sinking Fund.

Tl.

£116,500,000

All these figures will be found conveniently set out in the Public Debt Statement.

THE “FUNDED” DEBT.

One of the first points which presented itself to the Government in considering the position of the debt was the question of converting into one new consolidated stock of the Union the amount of the “funded” debt.

This consisted, in round figures, of

£54,112,000

3 per cent. Stocks.

27,126,000

31/2 per cent. Stocks.

Tl.

£81,238,000

and

£22,522,000

4 per cent. Stocks and debentures

2,000,000

41/2 per cent. Stocks and debentures.

580,000

5 per cent. Stocks and debentures

Tl.

£25,102,000

Now it is fair to assume that any issue of stock for consolidation purposes would carry not more than 31/2 per cent, interest, and, therefore, the conversions to be effected would be restricted generally speaking to the holders of those existing securities carying interest in excess of 3½ per cent.—amounting to £25,102,000. The main block of stocks issued by the late Colonies is at 3 per cent., but there is an amount of £27,126,000 in 31/2 per cents., and it is probable that holders of some of these, which mature at comparatively early dates, will be desirous of exchanging them for a stock of larger issue and a longer life, and the same reason will, no doubt, prompt holders of the stocks carrying a higher rate of interest to take advantage of conversion terms which may be offered to them. I do not, of course, anticipate that the whole of the existing loans of 31/2 per cent, or a higher rate would be converted, but the object of such conversions as might be undertaken would be to lighten the interest charges upon the Union, and to enhance our national credit by placing upon the money market one large uniform issue in place of the many existing denominations of stock. The process of any conversion scheme must necessarily be slow, and as the Government is under obligation not to redeem the greater portion of existing securities before specified dates, there must be negotiation and agreement with the holders, There must also he consultation with financial advisers in London, in order that opportune time and other favourable conditions may be taken proper advantage of. With such a conversion scheme in view, a Bill has been prepared, and will be presented to Parliament for its sanction in the present session.

“ FLOATING” DEBT.

Turning now to the floating debt of £9,700,000 (which consists of Treasury bills, and debentures which mature at various dates between May, 1910, and July, 1912, and of bank advances obtained in anticipation of the raising of loans), the necessity for redeeming this debt or for placing it upon a new footing is becoming a matter of some urgency. I have already explained that the securities for a portion of this floating debt, which have matured since the date of Union, have been retired out of Treasury balances—the amount involved being £3,161,000 at the end of last month; but this has been a temporary arrangement, because those balances must be restored to their proper places, and it does not affect the necessity for providing for the redemption or otherwise of the £9,700,000. In the Financial White-Book it is shown that the balances brought into the Union by the four Colonies on their revenue accounts amounted to £1,478,000, and, as I have already foreshadowed, the Government considers it right and proper that this sum should be devoted to the reduction of the temporary or floating debts also brought into Union by those Colonies. This policy will, no doubt, have the cordial support of the House. When this money has been so applied, the amount of floating debt to be dealt with will be reduced to £8,222,000. It will be apparent that our resources will not admit of redemption of so large a sum as £8,222,000 for some years to come, and it must be borne in mind that the greater part of this floating debt was incurred by the late Colonies as a temporary means of raising money required for new capital expenditure ordinarily chargeable to loan funds. It is, therefore, proposed to issue consolidated stock for the redemption of this balance of floating debt (£8,222,000), but pending a favourable opportunity for making such an issue, it may be necessary to issue new Treasury Bills for limited periods to replace the existing securities as and when they mature. The proposals which I have just outlined for dealing with the “floating” debt are also embodied in a Bill which will be presented to Parliament during the present session.

CONSOLIDATION OF DEBT.

Before passing to another subject I may here allude to a point which will be of some importance when conversion of existing securities into consolidated stock takes place. The various trust and deposit funds placed with the Government were, at 30th May, 1910, invested in securities of the late Colonies to the extent of £7,682,000 in stock and debentures, and, £3,216,000 in Treasury Bills; total, £10,898,000. The conversion of these securities into new stock would be one of the first steps to be taken, and would tend largely to simplification in the administration of the Union’s finance.

NATAL GENERAL SINKING FUND.

The third division of the existing debt to which I have made reference in my opening remarks on the Loan position, viz., the advances from the Natal Sinking Fund, is unimportant. The Sinking Fund was established by Natal for the purpose of retarding the increase of, as well as extinguishing, its debt, and the amount advanced was used in accordance with that principle for capital expenditure ordinarily chargeable to loan funds.

REDEMPTION OF DEBT.

Having indicated the policy of the Government in regard to placing the “funded” and “floating” debt upon a satisfactory footing, the next point connected with the debt which claims our attention is its redemption. The South Africa Act has introduced al principle which differs widely from the principles upon which the four Colonies’ redemption arrangements were based. In all the Colonies, the revenues were charged annually with large contributions to form sinking funds for the redemption of the whole public debt, including that incurred in respect of Railways and Harbours. The operation of those sinking funds, established in the two inland Colonies, and in Natal would have extinguished the Colonies’ debts within a period of about 40 years in the former and 60 years in: the latter case; and in the Cape of Good Hope the provision for sinking fund was of considerable magnitude. The South Africa Act relieves the Railways and Harbours of any contributions to sinking fund on account of capital expenditure, but requires that the assets of the Administration shall be maintained at full value and in full working order out of its revenues. Now, of the total debt of the Union, £116,500,000, no less than £75,234,000 represents capital expenditure upon railways and harbours, and it requires no argument to convince my hearers that the provisions which were made by the four Colonies, and which were considered adequate, for the redemption of the debt ot £116,500,000 are far more than sufficient for the redemption of the £41,266,000, which is now the general Government’s share. But the Act of Union also provides that the Sinking Funds constituted at the date of Union shall continue to form a charge upon general revenues, and it is, of course, the intention of the Government to observe that provision. The contributions to these Sinking Funds in 1910-1911 were as follows, and the amounts are those which are annually payable:

For Cape of Good Hope loans (for Sinking Funds and contributions to meet drawings)

£170,500

For Natal loans (old Sinking Funds)

7,500

For the Guaranteed loan of £35,000,000 apportioned between the Transvaal and the Orange Free State

350,000

For the Transvaal Guaranteed loan of £5,000,000

50,000

A total per annum of

£578,000

An annual contribution of this amount, is sufficient to redeem the genera! Government’s share of the debt (£41,266,000) in about 36 years, and if the reduction proposed to be effected by means of revenue balances brought into the Union is taken into consideration, the redemption will be completed in a slightly shorter period, The provision seems to the Government, and I have no doubt that it will appeal to the House, as being ample for its purpose, in the altered conditions in which we are now placed.

DEBT REDEMPTION.

It is, therefore, the Government’s intention to ask Parliament to limit the provision for debt redemption to these annual contributions, and to approve of the repeal of certain enactments of the late Colonies of the Cape of Good Hope, Natal, and the Transvaal, under which certain classes of receipts, such as proceeds of sales of Crown lands, unclaimed moneys in the Savings Bank and other funds, and other miscellaneous items, were diverted from revenue to the redemption of debt. The approximate annual amount of the receipts so diverted in the past has been:

In the Cape of Good Hope

£61,000

In Natal

10,000

In the Transvaal

Nil

Giving a total of

£71,000

NATAL DEBT REDEMPTION.

There is, however, in the case of Natal, further provision, made for redemption. By the Consolidated Loans Fund Act of 1904, a sinking fund was established, the contributions to which were calculated at a rate sufficient to redeem the whole public debt of the Colony, including railways and harbours, within a period of 60 years. The machinery set up by the Act is complicated, and its provisions ere entirely unsuitable to the present conditions. The Government, therefore propose to Parliament the repeal of this Act, also.

EFFECT OF POLICY.

The policy of the Government in regard to the redemption of debt, as I have thus briefly stated it, is embodied in the fresh legislation which Parliament is being asked to consider during the present session, and, if sanctioned, the result will be that an annual charge of £578,000 will be made upon the Union revenues for the redemption of £41,266,000 debt. The redemption will, of course, be accelerated by the devotion there to of surplus revenues brought into the Union and of the surplus revenues of future years. The Government considers, and, no doubt, this House will agree, that this is a wise and proper method of disposing of such surpluses.

VOTING LOAN SERVICES.

I will now for a few minutes claim hon. members’ attention whilst I refer to the proposals for the expenditure of loan moneys. The expenditure contemplated upon all works and services chargeable to loan funds is being embodied in Estimates, which will be laid before the House for its approval at an early date. The presentation of such Estimates marks a departure from the former practice of dealing with loan money, at any rate so far as three out of the four parts of the Union are concerned. After consideration of the subject, the Government has formed the opinion that it will tend to secure to Parliament and to the Government a greater measure of control over the expenditure of loan moneys if, in the future, Loan Acts convey only the authority of Parliament to borrow money for purposes broadly defined in the Acts. The authority to spend the money will then be sought from Parliament annually, as in the case of other expenditure. Not only will there thus be greater control over the issue of money for loan services, but its expenditure in each year will be brought under the purview of the Public Accounts Committee and of Parliament in the annual appropriation accounts of the Votes.

LOAN ESTIMATES, 1910-1912.

The Estimates of loan expenditure which will shortly be laid before the House embody all capital expenditure which the Government considers it necessary to undertake, including practically the whole of the works and services which were contemplated by the four Colonies before Union from loan moneys which they had raised or had power to raise. The Estimates include the provision required for the period from the date of Union up to the 31st March, 1912, in order that the principle of voting loan expenditure may have effect from the commencement. In future years, of course, such Estimates will make provision for the requirements of only one financial year. Turning now to the Estimates themselves, I propose to mention some particulars of the expenditure, and must ask the indulgence of hon. members for the absence of the printed copies, which will, however, be in their hands in a day or two, and from which the fullest information will be obtainable.

RAILWAYS AND HARBOURS.

The programme of new works put forward by the Railways and Harbours Administration involves the expenditure of a total sum, of £8,234,000 from Loan Funds— £2,516,000 of which will be expended in 1910-12, and the balance in succeeding years. I wish it to be clearly understood: hat these figures of Railways and Harbours expenditure are purely provisional; they are based upon a programme of new works which is still under the consideration of the Administration, and which has yet to be considered by the Government, and in due course submitted for the approval of Parliament. Full particulars of the programme will be submitted to the House in the Estimates of capital expenditure which my honourable friend, the Minister of Railways and Harbours, will lay upon the table at an early date, and I will, therefore, leave to him the explanation of the programme, and proceed myself to touch upon the proposed expenditure of other departments.

PUBLIC WORKS AND BUILDINGS.

Under the vote for Public Works and Buildings are included the larger works and buildings to which the Colonies were committed before Union. Amongst them are the Law Courts and Houses of Parliament in Cape Town, new Law Courts at Johannesburg and Durban, University Colleges at Pietermaritzburg and Pretoria, and the much-discussed Union Buildings.

Mr. J. W. JAGGER (Cape Town, Central):

How much?

The MINISTER OF FINANCE:

Under £1,100,000.

Sir G. FARRAR (Georgetown):

Any “extras”?

The MINISTER OF FINANCE:

Not yet. The total estimated cost of all the works (principally buildings) provided under this vote is £2,183,000, of which £180,000 had actually been spent at the date of Union. The amount to be provided from Loan Funds, therefore, after the 31st May. 1910, is £2,003,000, and of this sum £1,307,000 will be required before the 31st March, 1912, leaving £696,000 to be provided after that date.

TELEGRAPH AND TELEPHONE WORKS.

A sum of £800,000 is estimated to be required for telegraph and telephone works throughout the Union. Of this sum Parliament will he asked to vote £549,000 to meet the cost of such works up to the 31st March, 1912, leaving £251,000 to be provided thereafter. In my remarks at an earlier stage, I referred to the increased earnings of the Post Office, and in particular to the increase in the receipts from telephones. The programme of new works now submitted is designed to increase telephone and telegraph facilities in country districts of the Union; to make adequate provision for the expansion of the business of the Post Office in those branches of its activities; and to strengthen and support existing lines of communication which are now, and have been for some time past, much over-weighted.

AGRICULTURE.

Under the heading of Agriculture, provision is made principally for carrying out, upon a somewhat larger scale, the works which were commenced by the late Colonies as a means of preventing the spread of disease amongst cattle. The sum required for the period 1010-1912 is £154,000, and it is estimated that £100,000 will he required after the 31st March, 1912, to continue the works referred to, which are chiefly fencing and dipping tanks.

LANDS.

Under the head of Lands is included £188,000 for the period ending on 31st March, 1912 for land settlement in the Union.

IRRIGATION.

For the various irrigation works commenced before Union, a sum of £359,000 is now required to be voted, and this sum will practically complete the works mentioned. We may properly regard Agriculture, Lands, and Irrigation as services undertaken for the benefit of the agricultural community, and the expenditure which the Government proposes under these heads, although not so large perhaps as we could desire in the interests of development of the country’s resources, is still a considerable item. The estimated expenditure under the three heads to the 31st March, 1912, is £701,000, and a further £100,000 after that date. Then, in addition, there is provision for Land Banks for the benefit of the agricultural community, to which I shall refer presently.

LOCAL WORKS AND SCHOOL LOANS.

Under certain Acts of the Cape of Good Hope, the funds required for capital expenditure by local authorities and school boards were provided by the Government under specified conditions as to repayment, etc. The amount required from loan funds for such purposes in the period up to 31st March. 1912, is £103,000, and it is estimated that £50,000 will be required after that date. As regards loans for school buildings in the Cape I have already stated that it will be the policy of the Government in respect of the new year to provide these from ordinary revenue upon the same conditions as have hitherto been observed.

LAND BANKS.

Provision is made under the head of Land Banks for the sums required by existing Land and Agricultural Loan Funds in 1910-12. viz.:

£93,000

in Natal

£475,000

in Orange Free State

Total

£568,000

A further sum of £261,000 will be required by Natal in the years after March, 1912, to complete its authorised capital of half a million, and the amount now asked for in the Orange Free State will complete its capital of the same amount. I may add that the capital of two millions for the Transvaal Land Bank had all been issued by the Treasury before the date of Union. The question of increasing the facilities afforded by land banks in the Union has engaged the attention of the Government, but it is considered that owing to the congestion of work in this House action must be deferred for the present. (An HON. MEMBER: Oh!)

TOTAL OF LOAN ESTIMATES.

The total loan expenditure included in these Estimates, covering the period from 31st May, 1910, is

£12,830,000

and of this sum

5,744,000

£7,086,000

is required in 1910-12, leaving to be defrayed after the 31st March, 1912. It has now to be seen how this large amount of loan expenditure is to be financed. The unexpended cash balance of loan moneys brought into the Union by the four Colonies amounted to £2,923,000, which is short of the amount required to meet the expenditure of £5,744,000 in the period 1910-12 by £2,821,000. Moreover, the expenditure estimated to be required after the 31st March, 1912, amounting to £7,086,000, has also to be provided for; so that there will be a total expenditure of £9,907,000, for which funds much be found. To meet this expenditure, if it be approved by Parliament, it is porposed to re-enact the borrowing powers granted by the late Colonial Parliaments, but not exercised by the Governments, amounting to £4,530,000, and to obtain fresh borrowing powers for the balance of the money required, namely, £5,377,000. These proposals are embodied in the Bill which I mentioned a little while ago as having been prepared for the consideration of Parliament in connection with the Government’s proposals for dealing with the floating debt. I have just said that, in addition to the balances of loan moneys brought into the Union, a further sum of £2,821,000 will be required to meet the estimated loan expenditure in the period from 31st May, 1910, to 31st March, 1912. It will therefore be necessary to borrow that amount under the authority of the Bill to which I have alluded, but I do not anticipate that a public issue of stock will require to be made to provide the money. If the Public Debt Commissioners Bill which is now before the House becomes law any issue of stock to provide the money could, I think, be taken up by the Commissioners as investments for the funds placed in their charge. In these circumstances I do not anticipate, even though the large programme of capital expenditure be adopted, that it will be necessary to go to the market for money during the ensuing financial year. That, Sir, Concludes what I have to say on the present occasion, and I only desire to add a word of sincere thanks for the indulgence extended to me by hon. members, and for the patient way they have heard me. I now lay on the table a print of the Estimates of Revenue for the year ending 31st March, 1912. (Cheers.)

BUDGET DEBATE. Sir E. H. WALTON (Port Elizabeth, Central)

said that the Minister of Finance had given them an exhaustive statement and a great mass of figures On the last occasion he had complimented his hon. friend, which, he thought, had not been appreciated by him as it should have been —(laughter)—and on the present occasion, although the Minister had given them a statement which conveyed the actual financial position of the country at the present time, he had given them no indication, no evidence whatever, that there existed such a thing as a financial policy of the Government. He had been hoping at one part of the address that they were going to get a statement of that kind, and a certain indication that his hon. friend realised that some policy was required if they were to retain their prosperity. He did not now propose to enter into any long criticism, but he did want to say that the hon. member did not seem to realise that the country was living at present on a purely temporary source of prosperity and wealth; and that would form the basis of any criticism he would offer to his hon. friend. He would like the House to realise what it would mean if they withdrew from the figures the Minister had read to them that afternoon what they received from the mines. (Hear, hear.) It was difficult—as he had stated—to convey that, but he thought they might get some conception of it if they looked at the figures of the exports of the Union for 1910. The whole of the exports were 541/2 millions, and of that gold and diamonds amounted to 441/2 millions—four-fifths. It seemed that that view of the matter had never occurred to his hon. friend at all. Our financial position was unique. They would not find the same position in any other country in the world. They would find their great wealth derived from wealth of a permanent character, but here we could not escape from the fact that four-fifths of our wealth was of a non-permanent character. Unless we ensured our position by some means, we were inevitably going to drift on to despair. There was no evidence of any attempt to ensure our position. On the contrary, his hon. friend told them that we had a debt of £116,000,000. Surely commonsense would dictate to us one of two courses for reducing that debt to an amount which the country may be able to pay or to increase the resources of the country, so that it may be the better able to bear the burden. He was afraid that there was nothing in his hon. friend’s statement but a policy of drift.

The MINISTER OF FINANCE:

What?

Sir E. H. WALTON (Port Elizabeth, Central):

Drift—d-r-i-f-t. (Laughter.) Proceeding, he said that if they looked through the Estimates of Expenditure they saw no attempt to economise. His hon. friend had dealt right and left with salaries on a scale which was beyond the capacity of this country to bear. Economy—well, of course, economy went overboard when Ministers determined their own salaries. (Laughter, and Opposition cheers.) Anybody who went through the Estimates would find page after page of men receiving salaries that were extravagant, and ought never to have been passed by that House. They were told last year that this was temporary. Were they told when they got the Estimates this year that the salaries were coming down, and being put on a permanent and lower scale? They were told nothing of the kind. He did not propose to say anything further now on the statement they had just heard. In a little while they would be in possession of the figures, and would be in a position to go into the whole matter more thoroughly. He should, therefore, content himself for the present by moving the adjournment of the debate.

Sir W. B. BERRY (Queenstown)

seconded.

The motion was agreed to, and

The debate was adjourned until Monday next.

STAMP DUTIES WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE. The MINISTER OF FINANCE

moved that the House go into Committee of Ways and Means to consider that, for the purpose of consolidating the various Stamp Duties at present in force in the several Provinces of the Union, there shall be charged, levied, and collected for the benefit of the Consolidated Revenue Fund of the Union, subject to the exemptions hereinafter mentioned, and to such conditions as may he laid down in any law passed during the present session of Parliament, the Stamp Duties set forth in the schedule hereto in respect of instruments executed in the Union, or relating to property in the Union, or to any act, matter, or thing to be done or performed within the Union; and the said Stamp Duties shall be in substitution for the Stamp Duties at present in force in the several Provinces of the Union. (The Tariff of Stamp Duties is given on pages 798-803 of the “Votes and Proceedings.”)

The MINISTER OF FINANCE

said that the object of these proposals was not to exact more revenue from the taxpayers of the Union, but to bring about uniformity in the Union. There were now four different systems of stamp duties obtaining in the Union. That, of course, was against the whole object of the Union. (Hear, hear.) He had been inundated with letters from various people all over the Union taking exception to this item, that, and the other, and it seemed to him that the only satisfactory solution was to abolish the stamp duties. (Hear, hear.) But the finances of the country did not justify him in coming forward with a comprehensive scheme which would involve the abolition of the stamp duties. Those duties produced about half-a-million of revenue. Besides, he thought the stamp duties formed one of those systems of taxation that had come to stay. He believed that the proposals, if agreed to, would have the result of giving him less revenue, but it may be he was advised by those who were better able to judge of these things than he was—that in times past the Stamp Acts had been capable of more expansion from the revenue point of view than they had shown. Another consideration was that he wanted to eliminate from the Stamp Act those little irritating items that yielded so little. Another object he had in view was to see that the Stamp Act should be fair and reasonable, and cause as little inconvenience as possible. He went on to refer to the representations which had been made to him, and which his proposals were said to meet. The basis upon which he had formulated his new proposals was the Transvaal basis, and he went on to recapitulate the main provisions of his proposals. He hoped the result of the one proposal Would be that the business in share transactions would rather be brought; to South Africa than concentrated in London. He thought the House should agree to go into committee, when the items could be examined in detail. He moved in that direction.

Mr. J. W. QUINN (Troyevilie)

said he was sorry that he could not agree to the suggestion of the Minister, for he felt bound to say something on the subject. The Minister had told them that he had met a deputation from Johannesburg, and sent it away satisfied. Well, he (the speaker) thought that be was the only Minister of the present Government who had accomplished such a thing. But the deputation only dealt with what was contained in section 10. They in the North hoped that when these changes of taxation were made their position would not be made worse, even if it were not bettered. But here they found the position of the Cape and Natal bettered while the Transvaal burden had been increased. On the question of a bond, clause 9, sub-section 1, said that where the total amount of debt secured exceeded £2,000, for every £100 or part thereof, 5s. should he paid; so that a bond for £10,000 would have (bear stamps to the extent of £25. Surely, that was altogether too much. Clause 10 dealt with stockbrokers and commercial brokers, and the changes he understood, gave satisfaction. In certain respects the second tariff was worse than the first. In the first tariff it was laid down that on leases of property, the rent of which was £5 per month, the stamp should be 1s. Now, the Government was not satisfied with that. It was proposed to go further, and on leases or agreements for the hire of a house, the rent of which was £2 10s. per month, the piffling amount of 6d. was going to be charged. The worst thing of all, but the thing on which he did not intend to speak now, owing to the Treasurer’s statement that he intended to make some modification, was the proposed stamp duties on insurance policies. It was taxing thrift. The very kind of thing the Government ought to encourage they penalised. He supposed the Treasurer did not care twopence about his constituents. He never did.

The MINISTER OF FINANCE:

What?

Mr. J. W. QUINN (Troyevilie):

He is one of those happy men who look after themselves.

The MINISTER OF FINANCE:

I look after South Africa.

Mr. J. W. QUINN (Troyevilie):

Yes, after South Africa looks after him. He is one of those happy men who give no promises and make no speeches. He is free from any obligation to stand by the proposal because it simply means the increased taxation of the people of the North. Proceeding, he said he hoped they would get some reduction—a reduction which would: apply to the whole of South Africa. They in the North were very generous. They did not complain. They had been down here for some months now, and they bad been hoping there would be some change, (because when they had talked about Union one of the things that attracted people was the possibility of a reduction in taxes. (Hear, hear.) They talked of economies, and hoped for the reductions that would take place; but there had been no reductions. On the contrary, there had been increases. They were a long-suffering people in the North, and they knew they paid more in taxes than anybody else in the country. They were content to do it; but there was no reason why the patience of the people should be tried too far. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. J. A. NESER (Potchefstroom)

said he also wished to draw attention to the undue burdens placed on the people by the Stamps on leases.

Mr. SPEAKER:

I would like to point out to the hon. member that it is better to discuss details in committee. This is the second reading, and, under Rule 161, he must confine the debate at this stage to general matters.

Mr. F. D. P. CHAPLIN (Germiston)

said that if the Government proposed to make a start in equalising taxation, it should see that justice was meted out to different parts of the country. The whole tendency of the present proposals was to relieve the Cape, and to some extent the other Provinces, and to increase the burden on the Transvaal. The hon. member associated himself with the protest on behalf of the Transvaal that had been made by the hon. member for Troyeville.

Mr. J. W. JAGGER (Gape Town, Central)

said that the people in the Gape were more heavily taxed than the people in the Transvaal, and all that was now proposed was to equalise the taxation throughout the Union.

† Mr. F. R. CRONJE (Winburg)

applauded the uniformity now introduced. He regretted, however, that the attorneys and advocates’ licences had not been abolished. Perhaps the Minister would even now reconsider the matter?

Mr. T. WATT (Dundee)

thought that the Treasurer’s balance of £478,000 might have been used for the purpose of deleting from the Statute-book all these irritating and unfair stamp duties. Instead of that, the balance was being employed on works which should come out of loan. It seemed to him that the whole system of taxation by means of stamp duties had been hastily thrown together. This proposal to raise half a million out of stamp duties deserved serious attention, because it might operate as an obstruction to business. He did not favour the system of a progressive rate of duty in respect of matters like mortgage bonds. Actually they would be charging a man a higher duty because his debt was greater. If the taxes were made progressive and high, it would lead to evasion.

Mr. J. X. MERRIMAN (Victoria West)

said he wished to congratulate the Minister upon the cordial reception his effort to unify taxation had met with. (Laughter.) It should encourage him to go on. The duties proposed seemed to be on a reasonable scale on the whole. One thing he was delighted with, and that was: the taxing of transactions in shares. He thought it an admirable tax. It would have been imposed in the Cape Colony, but for the difficulties arising from South Africa being then divided into four parts.

The motion was agreed to, and the committee stage was set down for Monday next.

Business was suspended at 6 p.m.

EVENING SESSION.

The House resumed business at 8 p.m.

AGRICULTURAL PESTS BILL.
COMMITTEE’S AMENDMENTS.

On clause 15,

Mr. C. B. HEATLIE (Worcester)

moved, as an amendment, seconded by Mr. P. G. KUHN: In line 68, to omit “verbal or otherwise,” and to insert “in writing, stating the nature of the disease.”

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

moved as a further amendment, seconded by Mr. NESER: In line 69, to omit “verbal or otherwise,” and to substitute “in writing”; in the same line after “premises,” to insert “stating the nature of the pest or disease ”; and in the same line to omit “thereof,” and to substitute “of the premises.”

The amendment proposed by Mr. Heatlie was withdrawn.

That by the Minister of Education was agreed to.

On clause 16.

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

moved, as an amendment, seconded by Mr. P. G. W. GROBLER: In line 15, after “thereof,” to omit “at” and to substitute “to”; in the same line, after “Magistrate,” to insert “or”; and in the same line, after “field-cornet,” to insert “or at the nearest.”

Agreed to

On clause 18,

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

moved, as an amendment seconded by Mr. J. A. NESER: In line 30. to omit “by which,” and to substitute “and the,” and to add, at the end of the clause, “by the department.”

Agreed to.

On clause 20,

Mr. H. M. MEYLER (Weenen)

moved, as an amendment, seconded by Mr. J. W. QUINN: In sub-sections (3) and (4), lines 49 and 53, respectively, to omit “or” after “tax,” wherever it occurs, and to substitute “and.”

Agreed to

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

moved, seconded by Mr. J. A. NESER: In clause 8, line 42. to omit “without the written permit of the department,”

Agreed to.

On clause 18,

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION,

moved, seconded by Mr. G. A. LOUW, to add the following proviso at the end of clause 18, viz.: “Provided that such consultation and advice may take place between the dates of the laying and hatching of the eggs and that the material shall fee deemed to have been provided when delivered by the Department at the nearest magistracy or police post or station.”

Mr. P. G. KUHN (Prieska)

objected to the latter part of the proviso.

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

said that by clause 16 a man must give notice either at the magistracy or at the nearest police station. When he gave notice he got his material at the same time, and took it himself. There was no practical difficulty in the matter at all.

Mr. E. B. WATERMEYER (Clanwilliam)

also opposed the proviso.

Mr. SPEAKER

put the question, and declared that the “Ayes” had it.

On clause 20,

Mr. H. L. AUCAMP (Hope Town)

moved to add at the end of sub-section (1): “Provided that if by reason of his poverty or the extent of the land occupied by him he is unable to comply with the provisions of section 18 he shall not be held liable for the said costs.”

Mr. D. H. W. WESSELS (Bechuanaland)

seconded.

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

said that in order to try to meet the case mentioned by the hon. member he would move the following proviso: “Provided that if he shall prove to the satisfaction of the Court that lit was beyond his power to comply with the provisions of section 18, he shall not be held liable for the said costs.”

Mr. J. A. NESER (Potchofstroom)

seconded.

Mr. H. L. AUCAMP (Hope Town)

thereupon withdrew his amendment.

† Mr. F. R. CRONJE (Winburg)

thought that if the proviso moved by the hon. member were adopted they might as well withdraw the Bill.

Mr. C. L. BOTHA (Bloemfontein)

said the amendment did not deal with the point as to the extended area of the land. It only dealt with the first point as to non-compliance on the ground of poverty.

Mr. SPEAKER

reminded the hon. member that the hon. member for Hope Town had withdrawn his amendment.

Mr. C. L. BOTHA (Bloemfontein):

I know, but I was only trying to make it dear that the hon. member had withdrawn it under a misapprehension.

The proviso was agreed to,

It was agreed that the Bill, as amended, be adopted.

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

said that if no objection were raised he would move that the third reading be taken now.

Mr. G. H. MAASDORP (Graaff-Reinet),

however, objected.

It was agreed that the Bill should be set down for third reading on Monday.

PUBLIC HEALTH ACTS AMENDMENT BILL.
SECOND READING.
The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR,

in moving the second reading of the Bill, said that it was a very short and simple Bill—(a laugh)—and he sincerely hoped that it would not elicit so much discussion and controversy as some of the Bills he had introduced into that House. The Bill really contained only two provisions—one providing for the appointment of an Officer of Health for the Union, and the other making provision for certain measures which may become necessary in the case of a large outbreak of an epidemic in the country. The only way was to delegate these powers through the Minister. In Natal the functions were discharged by a Board of Health, and this would be swept away. Even in the Gape the real officer was the Minister, and not the Medical Officer of Health for the Province. The Medical Officer “advised the Minister,” and worked under the authority of the “Minister.” Almost the identical words of the Cape Act were included in the Bill which he had now brought before the House. But here they went further, because the position was more complex. They not only had the Union dealing with health matters, but also the Administrators so far as the Provinces were concerned. He said it was not possible to deal with the matter in any other way than that described in the Bill. There were hon. members who desired him to go further and appoint a Health Department administered by a Medical Officer. On this point the language was neutral; the whole question of the establishment of a department of health was left open. And he did not think that they could go further; no other scheme, he contended, would be feasible. The matter was really administrative, and not statutory; and he hoped that the Health Department scheme would not be elaborated An the debate that might. He did not think that they would get the best out of a scientific man if they also made him an administrator. It was a very rare combination. In his experience that had always proved to be so. He thought that if they got a good scientific man they should confine his attention to scientific matters, and make him an expert adviser to the Minister. That was the scheme to which he inclined, but it was not a matter which was touched upon in the Bill, which dealt with the question of health in a general way. The speaker went on to refer to the second provision, which gave the Government the power to deal with any epidemic of disease that might break out before they had time to introduce a comprehensive Act on the subject. He pointed out the position of the Orange Free State and the Act on the point that had been suspended, and dealt with the power of the Governor-General to make regulations in urgent cases.

Dr. J. HEWAT (Woodstock)

said there was no doubt that the Bill was a step in the right direction. It spoiled its good intentions, however, by cramping the efforts of Medical Officers of Health. What was wanted was a Department of Public Health directly responsible to the Minister of the Interior. It was difficult from the Bill to see where the duties of the Medical Officer of Health commenced and where they ended. There were no provisions in the Bill insisting upon the Medical Officer of Health holding a public health certificate. This he (Dr. Hewat) thought was essential. (Cheers.) As he had said, the Bill was, notwithstanding a few weaknesses, a movement in the right direction. He felt, however, that provision should have been made for a Department of Public Health.

Mr. J. X. MERRIMAN (Victoria West)

said the hon. member (Dr. Hewat) had not given them any guidance. He approved of the measure, and yet had not a good word to say for one of the clauses. Now, for the Minister to call this a Public Health Bill seemed to be tampering with the House. It seemed to him rather a departmental measure, which had better have been left over until they had had time to get a proper, well-thought-out Public Health Bill. It was a centralising Bill, which interfered with such amount of local rights as we already had. It seemed an attempt to strike at local administration. Now, he would suggest to the Minister that he had already enough hung on his fork. He (Mr. Merriman) said that the Minister had on the paper to-day several other measures, which would not be easy to get through, such as the Solemnisation of Marriages Bill, which appeared to have struck against a pebble—(laughter)—though he (Mr. Merriman) had no doubt that would be overcome. Still, he would suggest to the Minister that he should let this Public Health Bill, or rather this apology for a Public Health Bill, stand over until next session, and then come forward with a well-considered public health measure.

Dr. J. C. MacNEILLIE (Boksburg)

said he thought that to bring forward a Bill like this, and to call it a measure making further provision relating to public health, was an insult to the House. The hon. member referred to the existing legislation in the different Provinces, and said that he failed to see how this Bill made the medical officer anything more than an adviser to the Minister. There were no administrative powers vested in the officer. He contended that the only way to secure efficiency in the administration of public health was to have a highly-qualified medical man at the head of the administration. The hon. member referred to the urgency of tackling prevalent diseases, such as tuberculosis, and the need for measures to check such diseases. On these questions the medical officer should report to and advise the Minister. On the question of medical research, too, he should advise the Minister. Every civilised country in the world had made great efforts in the direction of health research, and now that we were under Union, something should be done immediately in this matter. He hoped the Minister would fall in with the wishes expressed during that debate, and appoint a medical man of standing as the administrative head of this department, who would be able to act on his own initiative and come to the Minister and advise him on questions concerning public health, and not be obliged to wait until the Minister came and asked for his advice.

† Mr. J. A. VOSLOO (Somerset)

said he did not think the Bill had been well thought out, and would not effect the objects which the Minister said he anticipated. The department under this Bill would deal with matters other than those affecting public health, and the latter would be neglected. In the Cape the department had been rightly criticised, because it had wasted its energy on administrative matters. All sorts of municipal, and even financial, affairs were referred to it. The Bill was based on that system. It was a superfluous measure, and, as no one had as yet read it, he moved the adjournment of the debate.

There was, however, no seconder, and the motion dropped.

Mr. C. L. BOTHA (Bloemfontein)

said it seemed to him that the Minister had introduced a Bill which was very crude, and that he had not taken proper cognisance of existing circumstances. He (the Speaker) knew the circumstances of his own Province, and recommended the Minister to read the Public Health Act of that Province. If he had read it, he would not want to repeal section 10, because he would realise that by abolishing the office of Medical Officer of Health for the Free State, he made the Act practically inoperative. The whole of the Act hinged upon the duties performed by the Medical Officer of Health. He thought that the Minister of Lands (Mr. Fischer) would agree with him that no Act had acted better than the Public Health Act of the Orange Free State, and by repealing clause 10 it would become inoperative. He strongly favoured the appointment of an Officer of Health for the Union. He found that provision was made in the Bill for the appointment of a Board in the event of serious outbreaks or epidemics of infectious disease. The Board was allowed very considerable powers, and local authorities were expected to pay part of the expenses of the Board. That being so, local authorities should have some voice in the appointment of and re presentation on the Boards.

† Mr. J. A. NESER (Potchefstroem)

declared that it was necessary to have one body dealing with outbreaks and epidemics. If, however, local bodies had to contribute to the administration of the law proposed, it was essential that they should be represented on any Board that might be appointed. He thought the Bill was most essential, and hoped the House would agree to it. They might have to wait a long time for a comprehensive Bill, and meanwhile some protection was required.

Dr. A. H. WATKINS (Barkly)

said that, it might perhaps be of some comfort to the right hon. member for Victoria West (Mr. Merriman) to know that if he looked at the schedule of the Bill he would find that the whole of the Cape Colony Act, of which he spoke so highly, was not being struck out or swept away, but only three clauses of it. The Cape Province would, therefore, continue the admirable Act which it now possessed. They had been asked by the right hon. member for Victoria West for guidance. Well, he thought the hon. member for Woodstock had fairly and clearly put before the House what they wanted; but he would briefly repeat what they wanted. They welcomed the Bill as a step in the right direction. They welcomed it as showing that the Minister was giving public health his serious consideration, but they wanted him to get some more light on the subject. They wanted him to realise that the real head of public health should be a medical man directly responsible to the Minister. The Minister had suggested that they would not have a, serious epidemic, but there was one thing they wanted immediately, and that was proper legislation. The right man to draw up that Act, the right man to be at the head of the department was the Medical Officer of Health. So he welcomed this Act, but hoped the Minister would reconsider the position, and recognise the importance of making him, not a mere official in the office, but the actual head of the department. The only argument the Minister brought forward against the appointment of a Medical Officer of Health as an administrative officer was that medical men were not good administrators, and therefore administration could not be trusted to one of them. Had the Hon. the Minister (General Smuts) never studied the history of this country? Need he go further than the opposite side of this House to find two scientific men who had proved themselves very capable administrators? Therefore, he hoped he would reconsider the suggestion, and select a Medical Officer of Health who would make a good administrator. Another thing he welcomed was that he found the Minister would take his seat as a member of the Medical Council of this Province. He would therefore be able to continue his education. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. W. D. BAXTER (Cape Town, Gardens)

said that if the Bill were merely one to provide for the appointment of a Medical Officer of Health for the Union and his assistants, he did not suppose very much criticism would be levelled against it, except perhaps as regarded the powers the Bill proposed to give him. But, it seemed to him that the Bill went a little bit further than that, and without very urgent reasons for doing so. Those members of the House who had experience in local government knew very well that the one necessity was a Public Health Bill. That was a measure that was going to be big, and was going to deal with big things. He could see no reasons why the Hon. Minister should have singled out merely one little thing like that dealt with in clauses 6 and 7 for insertion in a Bill, and which, wag obviously a matter for the Medical Officer of Health of the Colony. It seemed to him he had inserted a principle which they ought to consider very carefully before they passed it. The Minister had mentioned that while in the Cape they had the machinery necessary for dealing with such a crisis, in certain other parts that machinery did not exist. He thought the Minister should be very careful in dealing with a matter that would run counter to the wishes of the people in other parts of the Union. One of the things the Cape Colony was proud of was its local government machinery. They were jealous of their rights, and any interference from the Government. It seemed to him that under section 5 the Bill proposed to give powers to the Minister to be delegated by him to the Medical Officer of Health which he did not have at present, and which might lead to all sorts of frictions. He did not suggest that such a state of affairs would arise now, but it might if a weak Minister were in office. The time might come when under those powers, which would undoubtedly he in the Bill if passed, he was going to interfere with those properly constituted bodies. He would warn the Minister if he did that it was going to mean friction and division of responsibility, which would be detrimental to health. They wanted to get the responsibility on the shoulders of the local people as far as possible, and assure them that they were not going to be interfered with by the Government. The Minister would meet the case if he would undertake some amendment, which would make it clear that those provisions were not going to apply in the case of municipalities and other public bodies which had properly constituted health departments. It seemed to him a rather dangerous thing to allow a nominated Board to be set up by the Minister in any part of the country with what was tantamount to powers of spending money without the control of local people, and gave them power to charge the local people more or less. If the local people were going to be held liable for expenditure under clause 6, then, he thought, they must have some representation and control. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. J. G. MAYDON (Durban, Greyville)

said he thought the Bill showed signs of that hasty preparation which had been manifested more than once during recent debates. He thought it would be a pity if the Union were to depart from a principle which had been laid down, and that was that a health officer should be specially qualified by a study of health. It was laid own in the Act that the Medical Officer of Health should act under the authority of the Minister; that the Minister should be responsible for the acts done by him, and that without the authority of the Minister acts which might be necessary should not be undertaken. The Public Health Act in Natal did not deal with such clauses, for example, as clause 12. It seemed to him that unless some effort was made to bring the two Acts into relation there would be a conflict of authority in one part of the land as against the other. He hoped that the Minister would direct his attention to the conflict which there would be if the Bill became law, between that measure and certain unrepealed clauses of the Public Health. Act of Natal.

Sir T. W. SMARTT (Fort Beaufort)

said that when it was necessary to deal with the diseases of animals, surely it was equally necessary to deal with a consolidating measure dealing with human beings. He was going to vote for the second reading of the Bill because he recognised that it was necessary under the new conditions for the Minister to have at his elbow a responsible scientific officer, who would act as an adviser in connection with the public health of the country. He did not agree with everything that had been said by the hon. member for Cape Town, Gardens (Mr. Baxter), about leaving absolute control in the hands of the local authority. He could understand that no Minister would unnecessarily intervene with the public health arrangements of a properly conducted municipality; but his memory took him back to the time when plague had been introduced into Cape Colony, when he happened to be in a Ministerial position; and if it had not been for the dictatorial attitude of the Government that disease would have spread ruin throughout the country, and spread broadcast. Surely they must place power in the hands of the responsible Minister to be able, to step in with full responsibility and deal with epidemics, which, if not checked at the outset, might bring great devastation in their course. The clause with reference to the Municipalities paying half and the Government half, might have a ruinous effect on a Municipality in case a serious epidemic broke out; and no doubt that matter would be dealt with when the Bill was considered in committee. His experience was that when they took a professional man, who should be adviser to the Minister, they should not cover him up with administrative work which a clerical officer of the department could better deal with. They had had, examples without number in the Cape Colony where such advisory officers had been overwhelmed with administrative work; and be hoped that the Minister would continue to hold the views he had expressed. When they appointed a medical officer of the Union they should see that he had the highest medical qualifications in connection with public health, as well as the highest medical qualifications.

Mr. C. HENWOOD (Victoria County)

said that he agreed with the right hon, member for Victoria West, (Mr. Merriman) that that Bill should be withdrawn. It was only a matter of a few clauses, and he thought that the Minister, if he wanted to go into the matter, should go into it properly. The machinery in existence in the four colonies was quite sufficient to carry on until they brought in a proper Public Health Act. If the Minister wanted to provide for the appointment of a medical officer for the Union, it could be done in a Bill of one or two clauses.

Dr. D. MACAULAY (Denver)

said that he agreed with his hon. friend that this Bill should be withdrawn, and, in order to give the Minister an opportunity of doing so, he moved that the Bill be read a second time that day six months. The first fact he would call attention to was that this Bill had been too short a time before the parties most, intimately interested to he rushed through the House. The second fact was, that the Bill in its construction was of the crudest possible form, and certainly not up to the usual style of his hon. friend. The third fact was, that the Bill conflicted with the opinion of the great bulk of the medical profession throughout this country. It also conflicted with the opinion of all the local authorities in the Municipalities. He would beseech his hon. friend, when he referred to the profession to which he (Dr. MACAULAY) had the honour to belong, to be a little more generous to them. He would remind his hon. friend that Jan van Riebeek was himself a doctor, though to-day he seemed to have the distinction of giving his name to a mineral water. (A laugh.)

Mr. E. NATHAN (Von Brandis)

seconded.

Colonel C. P. CREWE (East London)

said; that he hoped the hon. member who had just sat down would not press his motion. (Hear, hear.) He did not agree with the Bill, and he did, not like the look of it, he frankly confessed, There were one or two things that he did not agree with at all; but he thought that matter might be rectified in committee. One of the dangers was, that the control of the Municipalities was left to the Provincial Councils. The Minister must be careful that he did not override the powers already held by the Municipalities. Colonel Crewe pointed out the danger of overriding the powers distinctly laid down in the Cape Public Health Act of 1883. He added that he should be sorry to see the medical officer in his administrative capacity at the head of a department. He agreed that it would be better to have a medical officer in an advisory, and not an administrative, capacity. At any rate these clauses could be considered in committee. He did not think they could give such sweeping powers as those laid down in the Bill.

† Dr. A. M. NEETHLING (Beaufort, West)

said he would cast his vote in favour of the second reading, although he did not think that the Bill met all the circumstances of the case. Why, for instance, was nothing said about fighting tuberculosis? He trusted the Minister would pay a little more attention to human ailments.

The amendment was negatived.

The Bill was read a second time, and set down for committee stage on Wednesday.

The House adjourned at 10.23 p.m.