National Assembly - 22 May 2002

WEDNESDAY, 22 MAY 2002 __

                PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
                                ____

The House met at 15:00.

The Deputy Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.

ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS - see col 000.

QUESTIONS AND REPLIES - see that book.

                          NOTICES OF MOTION

Ms S C VAN DER MERWE: Chairperson, I give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move:

That the House - (1) notes that the rand has gained about 19% against the dollar this year, making it the world’s best performing currency;

(2) recognises that the gaining of strength is due to multiple factors, including confidence in our economy and in our prospects for growth and development;

(3) further recognises that this confidence is strengthened by the bumper trade surpluses in February and March, helping the country to an impressive trade balance of R10,4 billion in the first quarter;

(4) congratulates the Government, in particular the Ministers of Finance and of Trade and Industry, for their outstanding success in transforming the economy of our country; and

(5) calls on all those who stand whining on the sidelines to take off their cloaks of doom and gloom and to instead celebrate with us in our transformation to democracy and prosperity, facing up to the massive challenges that face our country with commitment and joy.

[Applause.]

Mr J SELFE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that I shall move:

That the House -

(1) congratulates the people of Delft on turning out in their thousands to welcome the Leader of the Opposition during his afternoon walkabout, and for the successful public meeting held last night;

(2) also congratulates Mayor Gerald Morkel on his strong pro-poor announcements and measures;

(3) recognises that it is clear that the Democratic Alliance has found its way into the hearts and minds of the people of the Cape Flats and that the DA is here to stay; and

(4) warns politicians who were given a mandate in December 2000 by the local government voters that they turn their backs on the people at their peril.

[Applause.]

Mr B W DHLAMINI: Chair, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the IFP:

That the House -

(1) notes that according to one of the findings of a study conducted last year by the University of Cape Town’s Institute of Criminology and the Medical Research Council, verbal abuse of health care workers in hospitals across Cape Town is a major concern;

(2) further notes that 61% of the health care workers interviewed ``frequently’’ had to deal with threats and verbal insults; and

(3) calls upon the public to -

   (a)  exercise restraint and to understand that  health  care  workers
       perform under a lot of pressure and stress; and


   (b)  desist from making the job of health care workers more difficult
       than it is by directing abuse and threats at them.

Mrs B TINTO: Chair, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

That the House -

(1) notes that Cobus Cronjé, a Cape Town businessman and inventor who grew up in modest circumstances, has concluded a R450 million deal to make and export a vehicle exhaust device of his own invention; (2) believes that it is such innovative ideas and entrepreneurship that will bring South Africa to the forefront of international competitiveness;

(3) commends Mr Cronjé’s plans to open a centre to assist people with new inventions to develop prototypes and to patent new products; and

(4) congratulates Mr Cronjé on his outstanding achievement.

[Applause.]

Mr A BLAAS: Chair, I give notice that I shall move on behalf of the New NP:

That the House -

(1) notes the alarming shortage of money necessary for the effective functioning of the Defence Force, therefore causing -

   (a)  equipment to be neglected to such  an  extent  that  it  becomes
       unreliable and poses a threat to human lives;


   (b)   a  shortage  of  skills,  human  resources  and  the  loss   of
       technicians and pilots due to a lack of flying time;


   (c)  a trend which, if continued, will put the  Defence  Force  in  a
       position of being unable to fulfil its mandate;


   (d)  incidents of theft, fraud  and  irregularities  to  become  more
       frequent;


   (e)  the Navy to pirate from serviceable vessels  to  maintain  other
       vessels; and


   (f)  the morale and availability of the reserve forces to deteriorate
       because logistical support and equipment are unavailable; and

(2) calls on the Cabinet Committee on Safety and Security to investigate the possibility of allocating more money to the Defence Force or to revisit assignments allocated to the Defence Force.

Ms ANNELIZÉ VAN WYK: Honourable Chair, I will move on behalf of the UDM:

That the House -

(1) notes that the Constitutional Court yesterday ruled on section 49 of the Criminal Procedure Act;

(2) thanks the Constitutional Court for the obvious effort it applied to clearly and unambiguously explain its ruling, and hopes that this contributes to clarification on the use of lethal force;

(3) urges the Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development to immediately draft a new section 49, taking on board the express guidelines that were laid down by the Constitutional Court in order to once and for all end the confusion created by the existence of two different versions of section 49; and

(4) calls on the Minister of Safety and Security to immediately communicate clear and concise guidelines and to launch retraining programmes, if necessary to all members of the SAPS to ensure that the life-threatening confusion that has existed until now is cleared up.

[Applause.]

Mr P J GOMOMO: Hon Chairperson, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

That the House -

(1) notes that President George Bush Junior has refused to lift the United States trade embargo against Cuba; (2) further notes that this embargo is based on ideology rather than matters of principle on the part of the United States, which remains quiet about human rights abuses in countries whose governments it supports; and

(3) calls on the United States not to abuse its power as the world’s wealthiest nation with the largest economy at the expense of the people who inhabit a tiny neighbouring state.

[Applause.]

Dr M S MOGOBA: Chairperson, I shall move as follows:

That the House -

(1) congratulates the new chairman of the traditional leaders, Nkosi Mpiyezintombi Mzimela, and wishes him success in this important position;

(2) observes that the status and authority of the traditional leaders is vaguely stated in the Constitution;

(3) appeals to the ANC Government to revisit sections 211 and 212 of the Constitution so that the status, role and authority of traditional leaders can be stated in a more meaningful manner which befits the status of African royalty, and truly recognises the institution of African royalty in our country; and

(4) notes the PAC view that genuine traditional leaders are custodians of African culture and customary law and that there can be no African restoration without retrieving lost African glory.

Dr C P MULDER: Mev die Speaker, hiermee gee ek kennis:

Dat die Huis -

(1) kennis neem dat die nuwe Springbok-rugbyafrigter, Rudolf Straeuli, sy groep van 22 spelers aangewys het vir die eerste toets teen Wallis;

(2) die afrigter, sy bestuurspan en die spelers sterkte toewens met die kragmetings wat teen onder andere Wallis, Australië en Nieu-Seeland voorlê;

(3) Straeuli en sy keurders gelukwens met die moed wat hulle aan die dag gelê het om ‘n betreklike jong en onervare span op grond van meriete saam te stel, en hoop dat meriete deurgaans die norm sal wees by die kies van spanne; en

(4) ‘n beroep doen op Sarvu om sy huis in orde te kry en behoorlike langtermynsekuriteit aan talentvolle spelers te verskaf, wat sal verhoed dat hulle die land verlaat om vir buitelandse klubs te gaan speel. (Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.) [Dr C P MULDER: Madam Speaker, I hereby give notice:

That the House -

(1) takes note that the new Springbok rugby coach, Rudolf Straeuli, has selected his group of 22 players for the first test against Wales;

(2) wishes the coach, his management team and the players everything of the best for the upcoming tests against, amongst others, Wales, Australia and New Zealand;

(3) congratulates Straeuli and his selectors for the courage they displayed in putting together a fairly young and inexperienced team on the basis of merit, and hopes that merit will remain the norm throughout when teams are selected; and

(4) appeals to Sarfu to get its house in order and to provide proper long- term security for talented players, which would prevent them from leaving the country to play for clubs abroad.]

Miss M N MAGAZI: Chairperson, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

That the House -

(1) notes that -

   (a)  the Johannesburg High Court handed down multiple life  sentences
       to Bruma Lake serial killers Simon Majola and Themba Nkosi; and


   (b)  members of the SAPS worked tirelessly to ensure that the duo was
       brought to book;

(2) congratulates the Johannesburg High Court on an appropriate sentence meted out to these criminals;

(3) commends the SAPS for investigating and bringing these criminal to book; and

(4) calls on the communities to work with the police to ensure that we fight crime and that our people live in a secure environment. [Applause.]

Ms R TALJAARD: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that I shall move:

That the House -

(1) notes that -

   (a)  the headline inflation rate for April 2002 is 8,0% and that this
       rate is the highest since February 1999;


   (b)  the CPIX increased by 0,8% for April, moving further out of  the
       inflation target range and now stands at 8,8%; and


   (c)  inflationary pressures continue  to  cause  hardship  for  South
       Africans who have to  feed,  house,  transport  and  ensure  the
       health and wellbeing of their families;

(2) expresses its concern at the continued after-effects of the dramatic depreciation of the rand in the fourth quarter of 2001 on inflation despite the possible ameliorating impact of the recent rand strength primarily on the back of dollar weakness; and

(3) calls on all role-players to co-ordinate their efforts to ensure that inflationary pressures are curtailed.

[Applause.]

Mr J H SLABBERT: Chair, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move on behalf of the IFP:

That the House -

(1) condemns the incident in which two houses vacated due to evictions by banks were burnt down in Mandela Park in Khayelitsha after bank representatives from the NBS, Standard Bank and Servcon Housing Company failed to attend a meeting called by residents to address evictions in the area;

(2) regrets that such evictions occurred through nonpayment of bonds because of the shoddy construction work, but recognises that the occupants were merely making a statement after their complaints fell on deaf ears from both the banks and the construction company;

(3) does not condone nonpayment for services rendered, but wishes to register that shoddy work is in violation of a contract between the service provider and the receiver of such service;

(4) calls upon the banks and construction companies to be civil with the complainants and to give attention to consumer complaints; and

(5) wishes to solicit the support of the Minister of Housing to intervene in the matter to prevent further destruction of property …

[Time expired.]

Mr M RAMGOBIN: Chairperson, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

That the House -

(1) notes reports of increased tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir;

(2) believes that it is mostly unarmed civilians, women and children in particular, who are subjected to human rights abuse in situations of all wars and terrorists’ activities;

(3) calls on the two countries in the spirit of coexistence to work towards a peaceful resolution of their conflicts; and

(4) further calls on the international community to make efforts to avert war between these two countries and, in keeping with international law, to make sure that the territorial integrity of both countries is respected.

[Applause.]

Mr I J PRETORIUS: Geagte Voorsitter, ek gee kennis dat ek op die volgende sittingsdag gaan voorstel:

Dat die Huis -

(1) die Minister van Handel en Nywerheid se versoek ten volle steun dat die kwotastelsel soos vervat in die voorgestelde Wetsontwerp op Immigrasie geskrap word;

(2) meen dat die kwotastelsel die toelating van hoogs geskoolde persone sal belemmer; en

(3) ook van mening is dat die afskaffing van die kwotastelsel sal meebring dat mense met broodnodige kundigheid die stimulus sal verskaf om ekonomiese ontwikkeling te bevorder en werkgeleenthede te skep. (Translation of Afrikaans notice of motion follows.)

[Mr I J PRETORIUS: Hon Chairperson, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House I shall move:

That the House -

(1) fully supports the request by the Minister of Trade and Industry that the quota system as contained in the proposed Immigration Bill be removed;

(2) is of the opinion that the quota system would hamper the admission of highly trained people; and

(3) is also of the opinion that the removal of the quota system would result in people with essential expertise providing the stimulus to promote economic development and create job opportunities.]

Prof L M MBADI: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that I shall move on behalf of the UDM at the next sitting of this House:

That the House -

(1) notes that -

   (a)  the son of the  Deputy  Minister  of  Minerals  and  Energy  was
       recently expelled from his school for setting off a  smoke  bomb
       on school premises that injured 10 pupils;


   (b)  this expulsion was overturned by the Gauteng MEC for  Education,
       without consulting the school governing body; and


   (c)  the ANC in Gauteng defended the MEC's decision;

(2) calls on the Government to ensure that its interaction with schools is even-handed and fair, and that special attention is paid to the legal and democratic role that school governing bodies are entitled to play.

Miss J E SOSIBO: Chairperson, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:

That the House -

(1) notes that a pool of foreign and local investors has spent R7 million to light up KwaMpungose, a rural KwaZulu-Natal community, as part of a world-first commercial project to supply low-priced electricity using sustainable fuel cell technology; (2) believes that this project will contribute positively to the rural renewal programme and sustainable livelihoods in rural areas; and

(3) commends the Alternative Energy Development Corporation for embarking on this important initiative.

    DISESTABLISHMENT OF SOUTH AFRICAN HOUSING TRUST LIMITED BILL

                       (Second Reading debate)

The MINISTER OF HOUSING: Chairperson and hon members, the Bill which we have before the House represents the end of a chapter of a government intervention which began during 1986 when the government and the private sector, under the leadership of the late Dr Fred du Plessis of Sanlam, agreed that the country was faced with two major crises, namely, lack of housing with ownership for the lower income segment of the South African population, and unemployment.

Following discussions between the then government and the private sector, it was agreed that a joint venture should be established outside of government so as to create employment opportunities through the facilitation and funding of housing directed at the lower-income segment of the South African population. For this purpose, the SA Housing Trust Limited was established in January of 1987 with its main business and purpose stated as follows, and I quote:

To promote and facilitate the provision of affordable shelter and security of tenure to the lower income earning communities of South Africa in a way which will maximise job creation.

Since its establishment, the business of the company evolved through a number of phases. These phases reflect the impact of and adjustments made by the management of the company in relation to changes in the external environment from time to time. Two wholly owned subsidiaries of the company were established, namely, Nu-Way Housing Developments (Pty) Limited and Khayalethu Home Loans (Pty) Limited, which respectively house the property development business and the home loan business of the group.

On incorporation, the company issued 10 000 ordinary shares with a par value of R1 each to various institutions. Simultaneously therewith, the government provided an interest free loan of R445 million to the company and undertook to guarantee loans raised in the private sector to an amount of R890 million. During the 1993-94 financial year, the government’s interest-free loan of R445 million was converted into share capital by the issue of one Class A ordinary shares with a par value of R1 and issue at a premium of R444,9 million. This Class A ordinary share ranks pari passu with all other ordinary shared in the authorised and issued shared capital of the company, save that the holder thereof shall on a winding-up of the company, whether voluntarily or compulsorily, be entitled to a liquidation dividend after all the creditors of the company have been paid in full and in priority to the ordinary shareholders, equal to the aggregate of the par value of such share and the share premium attached thereto.

The aforesaid capitalisation had the effect of improving the capital structure of the company and geared the company appropriately so as to grow its business substantially. In addition to the above, during the 1992-93 financial year, the government made a nonrefundable grant of R40 million to the company.

The delay in profitability of stand sales together with the bond repayment boycotts by home owners severely hampered the growth of the company. The company had substantial accumulated losses for each year from 1995 to 1998.

The Government and the directors of the company came to the conclusion that the likelihood of the company successfully trading out of its difficulties was remote and that the company’s operations should be restructured. The Government approved the restructuring during March 1998 and agreed to honour all guarantees which it had issued. It also agreed that the subsidiaries - Nu-Way and Khayalethu - and businesses of the company be sold as going concerns for the best prices available and that any proceeds therefrom be applied towards settling the liabilities of the group.

During 1999 and 2000, the company sold Nu-Way and Khayalethu with the approval of the Cabinet. Cabinet also agreed that steps should be taken to disestablish the company. The winding-down process has taken place with the knowledge and consent of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts of the National Assembly. After the sale of the two subsidiaries, the liabilities of the company amount to R571 million, which has been transferred to the Government.

The assets of the company that remain after the sale of the two subsidiaries amount to approximately R70 million, which consists mainly of loans to various housing corporations of the former TVBC states. Government has agreed that the company should transfer its assets of approximately R70 million to the National Housing Finance Corporation, wholly owned by the Government, for a nominal fee of R1. National Treasury became responsible for the serving and payment of the debt obligations after 1 April this year.

As I speak, there are no employees of the SA Housing Trust Limited. All the employees of the company have either moved to other employment or been redeployed in the companies which purchased Nu-Way Warehousing Developments and Khayalethu Home Loans. The only directors remaining, with the exception of the chairperson, are employees of the state, and no director of the company has received or will receive any benefit other than a nominal director’s remuneration.

The Bill seeks to disestablish the company from 1 April this year through clause 2(1). The Registrar of Companies must deregister the company, in terms of the Companies Act of 1973, from the effective date through clause 2(2). In terms of clause 3(a), all rights and assets of the company will vest in the National Housing Finance Corporation, while all obligations and liabilities will vest in the Government as national state debt and the Government becomes bound to meet these obligations and liabilities on the dates stipulated for compliance through clause 3(b). The directors of the company retire as directors as from the effective date, through clause 3(c).

In terms of clause 4(1), payments made by the Government after the effective date but during the 2002-03 financial year to meet the obligations and liabilities referred to above must be direct charges against the National Revenue Fund to the extent that such payment cannot be defrayed from funds appropriated under the Housing Vote in the Appropriation Act. In subsequent years, payments by the Government of any of the company’s obligations and liabilities are a direct charge against the National Revenue Fund as if they were payments in connection with loans as contemplated in section 73 of the Public Finance Management Act of 1999, in terms of clause 4(2).

After discussions between the Department of Housing and the Portfolio Committee on Housing, it was found necessary to make minor amendments to the Bill, relating to the extension of the effective date from 1 April to 1 July this year, the extension of the date from which the National Revenue Fund takes over the liabilities of the company from 1 April 2001 to 1 April 2002 and the rewording of clause 4(2) to bring the repayment of the company’s future obligations and liabilities into line with the provisions of the Public Finance Management Act of 1999. [Applause.]

Debate concluded.

Bill read a second time.

The House adjourned at 17:25. ____

            ANNOUNCEMENTS, TABLINGS AND COMMITTEE REPORTS

TABLINGS: National Assembly and National Council of Provinces:

Papers:

  1. The Minister of Communications:
 Group Annual Financial Statements of  the  South  African  Post  Office
 Limited for 1997-1998.

COMMITTEE REPORTS:

National Assembly:

  1. Report of the Portfolio Committee on Safety and Security on the Private Security Industry Levies Bill [B 11 - 2002] (National Assembly - sec 77), dated 22 May 2002:

    The Portfolio Committee on Safety and Security, having considered the subject of the Private Security Industry Levies Bill [B 11 - 2002] (National Assembly - sec 77), referred to it and classified by the Joint Tagging Mechanism as a money Bill, reports that it has agreed to the Bill.

  2. Report of the Portfolio Committee on Transport on the National Railway Safety Regulator Bill [B 7D - 2002] (National Assembly - sec 76), dated 22 May 2002:

    The Portfolio Committee on Transport, having considered the National Railway Safety Regulator Bill [B 7D - 2002] (National Assembly - sec 76), amended by the National Council of Provinces and referred to the Committee, reports that it has agreed to the Bill.

 Report to be considered.
  1. Report of the Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation on study tour to Northern Cape, dated 30 October 2001:
 INDEX


 Item   Paragraph


 Introduction A


 Delegation   B


 Areas visited     C


 Welcoming by MEC  D


 Observations E


 Meetings with sports bodies
 and communities   F


 Observations G


 Overall comments  H


 Recommendations   I




 A.     Introduction


     A delegation representing the  Portfolio  Committee  on  Sport  and
     Recreation visited the Northern Cape province from  9  to  12  June
     2000. The purpose of the visit was to assess the progress  made  by
     the  provincial  department  with   regard   to   development   and
     transformation of sport in South Africa. The delegation  wanted  to
     understand  the  problems  and  challenges   experienced   by   the
     province.  The  Committee  also  wanted  to  assess  the  link  and
     congruence between the programme of the  provincial  department  of
     sport to the national vision on sport and recreation.


     The  delegation  representing  the   Committee   focused   on   the
     following:


     1. Availability of sports  facilities  to  all  communities,  which
          include the following:


          (a) Provision of sports facilities to  communities  that  were
              previously disadvantaged.


          (b) Accessibility of sports  facilities  to  all  and  in  all
              areas.


          (c)  Sensitivity  to  disabled  people  when  building  sports
              facilities.


          (d) The level  of  standard  of  facilities  within  different
              communities.


          (e) The ownership of sport facilities by communities.


          (f) The maintenance of facilities by both  the  community  and
              the municipalities.


     2. Accessibility of all sports to all  communities,  including  the
          following:


          (a) The integration of all to sports, irrespective of race and
              gender.


          (b) The representativity of previously disadvantaged people in
              the provincial and  regional  teams  of  different  sports
              codes.


          (c)  The  back-up  support  that   is   given   to   financial
              disadvantaged  sports  people   who   are   selected   for
              participation in national and international tournaments.


          (d) The promotion of the disabled  people's  participation  on
              sport and recreation activities.


          (e) The recognition of deserving sports people as role  models
              and  the  use  of  such  people  as  human  resources   by
              communities.


          (f) The utilisation of sports  people  by  the  community  and
              various structures in the programme of nation building.


     3. Sport Development Programmes, which are run in the province.


     4.  The  availability,  accessibility  and  impact  of  the  sports
          academies.


     5.  The  relationship  between  the  provincial   department,   the
          Standing  Committee  on  Sport  and   the   local   government
          structures.


     6. The relationship between the government departments, the  sports
          bodies and other role players in sport such  as  the  business
          sector.


     7. The role of the community on sports issues.


     8. Challenges that are encountered by  the  Sports  and  Recreation
          Department.


 B.     Delegation


     The delegation was:


     Ms R Bhengu (leader)
     Mr J Louw
     Mr C Frolick
     Mr E T Ferreira
     Mr L Myoli (Committee Secretary)


 C.     Areas visited


     The delegation visited the following areas:


     *  Greenpoint School
     *  Old De Beers Ground
     *  Greenpoint Primary School
     *  Old Griqualand Rugby Union Field
     *  Pescodia
     *  Venus High School (Pescodia)
     *  Galashewe
     *  Ministry Offices
     *  Olifantshoek
     *  Paballelo Stadium in Upington
     *  Department of Sport in Upington
     *  Matjieskloof in Springbok
     *  District Council in Springbok
     *  Calvinia


 D.     Welcoming by MEC


     On arrival in the Northern Cape, the  delegation  was  welcomed  at
     and collected from the Airport  by  the  late  MEC  for  Sport  and
     Culture, Mr Brian Hermanus, accompanied by Mr A Babuseng and Mr  Le
     Grange, officials of the department.


     The delegation was taken to the Northern Cape Legislative  Building
     in Kimberley and was officially welcomed by the chairperson of  the
     standing committee on sports and culture,  Mr  P  Tulase.  The  MEC
     briefed the delegation on the activities  of  his  department.  The
     delegation had an opportunity  to  view  a  video  cassette  of  an
     awards ceremony honouring previously unrecognised sports people.


     In his remarks the MEC said that they  were  a  province  at  work.
     Indeed this was something that was seen in the course of the  study
     tour, as key areas of the transformation programme were covered  in
     this province. The MEC  touched  on  a  programme  adopted  by  the
     provincial cabinet under the slogan  "Cabinet  meets  the  people",
     where the Cabinet goes out to and meets with  people  in  different
     districts, churches, businesses and  councils.  He  mentioned  that
     one of the  issues  raised  by  groupings,  in  sports  was  sports
     facilities. He appealed to the delegation to take up the  issue  of
     a contribution from the lottery towards sport. He also spoke  of  a
     programme in the Northern Cape intended to highlight and raise  the
     awareness of the community  about  the  consequences  of  crime  to
     young people under the slogan "a child in sport is a child  out  of
     jail".


     Reference was made to negotiations with  municipalities  to  ensure
     that they live up to  their  constitutional  obligations  regarding
     the provision and maintenance of facilities.


     In his concluding remarks the MEC made a poignant call for  special
     measures to address imbalances and distortions in sport.


     The chairperson and leader of the delegation thanked the MEC for  a
     detailed report and made the  observation  that  the  MEC  and  his
     department were well organised and  prepared  for  the  visit.  She
     went on to state what the purpose of the visit was, and  said  that
     the Committee was  trying  to  familiarise  itself  with  what  was
     happening  in  the  province,  what  influences  the  provision  of
     facilities, how the facilities are  utilised  by  communities,  how
     accessible the facilities are  for  communities  of  the  different
     racial groups and problems experienced by communities  with  regard
     to sport and recreation.


     The MEC, the standing committee and  officials  of  the  department
     were  all  well  prepared  for  the  visit.  They  gave   all   the
     information  needed  by  the  delegation.  They  had   a   detailed
     programme, which covered all regions in the province. All  relevant
     structures in sport were part of the  programme  presented  to  the
     delegation. The MEC and members  of  the  standing  committee  were
     part of the study  tour  to  some  of  the  areas  visited  by  the
     delegation. Officials in the Department of Sport and  Culture  were
     part of the entire visit and were always pleasant  and  willing  to
     work.


 E.     Observations


     1. Greenpoint School
          This  was  a  newly  built  school,  which  was  going  to  be
          officially opened in  July  2000.  It  was  built  from  funds
          donated by Iscor and the Sport and Education Trust. The school
          has 27 classes. The delegation was joined here by Mr G  Miller
          and Mr S Jonas, who both represented the Community Development
          Forum, which had participated in the building and  setting  up
          of the school.


     2. Old De Beers Ground


          This facility was built in 1995 at a cost of R350 000.  It  is
          used for basketball and volleyball.  Schools  and  federations
          were said to have free use of the facility. The  facility  had
          neatly cut natural grass. It is well looked after by both  the
          community and the municipality.


     3. Greenpoint Primary School


          The delegation met and had  informal  interaction  with  Mr  F
          Swaerbroek, Mr M Arthur, Mr M Gidley and Mr B Kidson, all from
          the Griqualand West Cricket Board.


          The delegation  had  the  opportunity  to  witness  a  cricket
          coaching clinic for the under 13s and 15s. Mr Z Abrahim, their
          coach, was putting the young boys  through  their  paces.  The
          majority of the boys were blacks from previously disadvantaged
          communities, which indicated to the delegation that there  was
          an effort to afford the previously  disadvantaged  communities
          the opportunity to participate in  sporting  codes  previously
          dominated by white people during the apartheid era.


     4. Old Griqualand Rugby Union Field


          The delegation made  a  brief  stop-over  to  see  a  facility
          situated close to West End Township. The community  also  uses
          this facility for community activities. This  facility  is  in
          the care of the Deputy Chairperson of the Sport Council.


     5. Pescodia


          The delegation visited a basic facility, situated just  a  few
          meters from Venus High School. The facility was built  by  the
          provincial department of sport, arts and  culture  from  funds
          provided by the national Department of Sport  and  Recreation.
          This facility was in  a  good  state.  It  had  a  dilapidated
          cricket pitch, for which the municipality was responsible.


     6. Venus High School


          There are three sports facilities in Venus High School,  built
          with money from the Premier's Fund at  a  cost  of  R600  000.
          These facilities are used for soccer, cricket and hockey.  The
          netball court was said to be on the other side of  the  school
          building.


     7. Galashewe


          The  delegation  visited  the  Yorkshire  Cricket  Club.   The
          facility was built as a result  of  co-operation  between  the
          United Cricket Board, the Municipality, the Premier  and  MTN.
          This facility has pitches and nets.


          De Beers was said to be responsible for providing sponsorships
          for club competition.


          At the time of the visit the facility was in use.  Young  boys
          of between 12 and 17 were practicing cricket.  From  what  was
          seen  and  with  continued  sustenance  of   the   development
          programme, there is no doubt that South  Africa  will  produce
          cricket stars of high calibre  from  previously  disadvantaged
          communities.


          The facility was  in  excellent  condition  and  no  cases  of
          vandalism were reported, this being  attributed  to  community
          involvement. Three townships have access to the facility.


          The facility is also going to  be  upgraded,  with  help  from
          Daimler Chrysler and Vodacom.


     8. Olifantshoek


          The delegation visited  a  sports  facility  in  Olifantshoek,
          where an annual soccer tournament organised by the  department
          to raise awareness about HIV and AIDS, was held. The  MEC  for
          Sport was also there to welcome the delegation  and  officiate
          the tournament. An  accompanying  theme  or  message  for  the
          tournament was that of "a child in sport is  a  child  out  of
          jail".  The  leader  of  the  delegation   briefly   addressed
          spectators and athletes.


          An unfortunate part of these tournaments was the fact that the
          ground on which the clubs were playing did not have grass, and
          the reason cited was that water was not just scarce  but  very
          expensive to bring into the area. The leader of the delegation
          undertook to raise the issue with both the Department of Sport
          and Recreation as well as the Department of Water Affairs  and
          Forestry.


     9. Paballelo Stadium


          The delegation visited the  Paballelo  Township  to  view  the
          facility there and to establish which recreational  activities
          were taking place there.  The  facility  catered  for  soccer,
          netball and basketball. The  facility  was  in  an  impeccable
          condition, being looked after by the municipality,  which  had
          provided floodlights. The facility was complete with a  stand,
          well secured with new fencing and had neatly cut natural green
          grass for the pitch.


     10.     Matjieskloof


          The delegation visited Matjieskloof Township a few  kilometers
          away from Springbok to see three  soccer  and  netball  fields
          that had been built in 1996. The delegation was  told  that  a
          lot of excavation work had to  be  done  before  these  sports
          fields could be built, as the area is uneven. The building  of
          each sport field had cost about R350 000. Not one of the three
          had any grass and there were no plans for  this  in  the  near
          future, as water was said to be very expensive in the area.


 F.     Meetings with sports bodies and communities


     The  delegation  held  a  number  of  meetings  in  various  towns,
     townships and villages. These meetings were aimed at:


          Identifying sports development programmes taking place in  the
          province.


          Interacting with the communities in order  to  understand  the
          experiences of different communities with regard to sport.


          Assessing the level of community involvement in sport matters.


          Giving the community an opportunity to give feedback about how
          the programmes of  the  Department  of  Sport  and  Recreation
          impact on them, as well as recommendations relating  to  sport
          and recreation.


     1. Meeting in Ministry's Office


          The delegation met with the officials responsible  for  extra-
          curricular services and the Griqualand  West  Sports  Council.
          This meeting was held  in  the  offices  of  the  Ministry  of
          Education, in 1 Albertyn Road, Newpark. Griqualand USSASA  and
          community development forums also attended this meeting.


          The  leaders  of  the  delegation  provided  a  framework  for
          discussion by explaining to the meeting  the  purpose  of  the
          visit and the focus areas of the meeting. In  the  discussions
          that followed, there were two outstanding issues:


          The Sports Commission - the absence of  communication  between
          the provincial structure of the NSC and the Sports Commission.


          School Sports -  who  is  responsible  for  school  sport  the
          Department  of  Education  or  the  Department  of  Sport  and
          Recreation?


          The leader of the delegation gave information to  the  meeting
          regarding sports related legislation that was in the pipeline.
          This legislation were explained within the context of problems
          that were raised by the meeting, and included the issue  of  a
          lack of sponsorship for clubs which are not at  the  level  of
          the Orlando Pirates, Kaizer Chiefs and Ajax Cape  Town.  Among
          the issues raised, was the  issue  of  funding  based  on  the
          population of the province. People from the Northern Cape felt
          that funding  should  not  be  based  on  population,  but  on
          conditions prevailing in each province. In  the  case  of  the
          Northern Cape, the issue of poverty,  scarcity  of  water  and
          high rate of unemployment were viewed by the  meeting  as  the
          most appropriate yardstick and base for funding instead of the
          population figures.
          A clarion call was made by the leader of  the  delegation  for
          all the structures to go back and look into the whole question
          of their interaction and contribution to  the  development  of
          sport in their province.


     2. Meeting at Department of Sport in Upington


          The delegation had a session  with  representatives  from  the
          following structures: North West region of USSASA, NSC, rugby,
          adult  netball   and   the   Recreation   officer   from   the
          municipality. A broad framework for discussion was  tabled  by
          the leader of the  delegation,  who  said  they  were  in  the
          province to see, amongst other things the  facilities  in  the
          province, the conditions of those  facilities,  the  level  of
          usage of these facilities, the accessibility of the facilities
          to all members  of  the  community  regardless  of  race,  the
          accessibility of sport to  all,  what  development  programmes
          there were, and whether teams in the  province  reflected  the
          demographics of the country or province.


          The USSASA representatives talked about the mass participation
          programme  and  the  healthy  relations  they  had  with   the
          Department of Education, alluding to the assistance  given  to
          by the principals. USSASA also pointed out  that  pupils  were
          still  not  able  to  compete  in  some  competitions  due  to
          financial constrains.
          The municipality  was  accused  of  not  consulting  with  the
          community, particularly  on  the  issue  of  reallocating  the
          funding to another community  without  consultation  with  the
          community which was initially awarded  the  same  funding  for
          building a sports facility.


          It was also pointed out  that  there  are  very  few  teachers
          involved in sport, and as a result the  talent  identification
          programme misses some of the children with sporting talents.


          The most acute problem  highlighted  and  experienced  by  the
          adult netball was the absence of sponsorships. The development
          of rugby at club level  was  continuing  although  there  were
          distortions, as facilities  were  not  readily  accessible  to
          pupils from previously disadvantaged  communities  because  of
          transport problems.
          Local council representatives alluded to the co-operation they
          continue to receive from the Sports Council. However,  in  the
          same vein mention was made about the absence of  a  Facilities
          Committee in the council itself, making it difficult  for  the
          relevant officer to operationalise his vision relating to  the
          provision of facilities.


          After  identifying  a  lack   of   communication   and   sound
          interaction between the structures in the area, the delegation
          called on the representatives to put their house in order.


          Ms A Botha, a member of the provincial legislature,  undertook
          to raise all  issues  highlighted  in  the  meeting  with  the
          provincial standing committee on sport and also with the MEC.


     3. Meeting in District Council Building
          The meeting took place at the district council building, where
          the delegation met with the following structures and  sporting
          codes: SAFA  District,  netball,  rugby,  USSASA,  tennis  and
          cricket. Each of these structures was given an opportunity  to
          share with delegates what each of  them  was  doing  in  their
          respective  fields.  The   problems   highlighted   by   these
          structures centered on the issue of:


          (a) Lack of funding from national federations.


          (b) Absence of sponsorships  and,  as  a  result  sport  being
              funded from pockets of individuals involved in sport.


          (c) Long distances between towns, which had the  potential  of
              killing sport in that region.


          (d) Inadequate facilities, for example, with cricket there was
              only one field and no transport.


          It was made clear by the leader of  the  delegation  that  the
          main focus is competent athletes,  therefore  the  development
          programme becomes the central nerve of all sports  activities.
          She pointed out that sports facilities should not be viewed as
          the end product of the delivery  process,  as  they  are  only
          means through which athletes will be developed.


          A plea was made for co-operation between federations  and  the
          three spheres of government particularly the local  sphere  of
          government.


          The leader of  the  delegation  pointed  out  that  facilities
          provided by government structures should be  informed  by  the
          programmes and needs of the sports bodies  in  the  area.  She
          emphasised that the business of sports  bodies  together  with
          the government  of  this  country  was  to  produce  competent
          players who would make South Africa excel in sports within the
          global village.


     4. Meeting in Calvinia indoor sports hall


          The meeting took place in an indoor sport facility at Calvinia
          stadium, the only facility that is publicly owned, as most  of
          the facilities are privately owned. The meeting was graced  by
          the presence of the speaker of the  Northern  Cape  provincial
          legislature Mr C A T Smith and the Mayor of Calvinia, Mr  C  V
          Peterson. The following discipliness were also present, namely
          rugby, soccer, volleyball as well as the USSASA body.


          The meeting was held at night and the  delegation  experienced
          the freezing temperature the area is well known for.


          The leader of the delegation apologised to representatives  of
          the different structures for arriving late at night. She  also
          thanked the representatives for the patience shown by  waiting
          in the freezing temperature for the delegation to arrive.  She
          then explained the purpose of the visit, and said there was  a
          national vision for sports where the government of the country
          wanted to transform sports and make it possible for people  of
          South Africa to participate in sport activities of  their  own
          choice. She also mentioned that the ultimate goal is for South
          Africa to compete at international level as an equal  partner.
          Four focus areas to make that possible, include:


          (a) Providing communities with adequate sports facilities  and
              maintaining those facilities.


          (b)  Breeding  competent  sports   managers,   administrators,
              coaches and athletes through  development  programmes  and
              establishment of sports academies and  sports  development
              centres.


          (c) Making  sport  facilities  accessible  to  all,  including
              disabled and rural communities.


          (d) Ensuring that sports teams particularly the national team,
              represent the demographics of the country.


          It was pointed out that what the delegation  wanted  to  hear,
          was being done in the Northern Cape in relation  to  the  four
          areas of focus mentioned above.


          All sports codes represented in the  meeting  highlighted  the
          following problems:


          *   The high poverty levels, which impacts negatively on sport
              in general.


          *   The fact that farming was the main source of income in the
              area.


          *   Lack of financial resources needed to  send  children  who
              are doing well in sport and are  selected  to  compete  at
              national level.


          *   Long distances between towns were also highlighted as  one
              of the hindering  factors  to  participation  of  children
              from Calvinia in competitions.
          *   The issue of affiliation of the local teams to  provincial
              structures. It was mentioned that some sports  federations
              in Calvinia were not sure whether  they  should  affiliate
              to the Western Cape  structures,  as  they  play  most  of
              their games with the Western  Cape  teams  (Boland).  This
              was due to the fact that they were closer to  the  Western
              Cape than to other towns in the Northern Cape.


          *   The fact that it was very expensive  for  local  teams  to
              affiliate to the sports federation.


          *   The fact that the facility in which the meeting was  held,
              was not accessible to disabled people.


          *   The over-utilisation of the only public sports facility in
              the area.


          *   A call was made by the  local  people  to  the  provincial
              Department  of  Education  and  Sport  to  make  financial
              resources  available  for  the   development   of   sports
              facilities in the area thereby  enabling  school  children
              to participate in sport at school level.


 G.     Observations


     The delegation identified that Calvinia was trailing behind  in  so
     far as sports facilities were concerned.  It  was  identified  that
     because of the distance between Calvinia and Kimberley,  where  the
     department is located, Calvinia was not getting  equal  support  to
     that of other towns from the Department of Education and Sport.


     It would therefore be recommended that the Department of  Education
     and Sport pay attention to the issues raised by this community  and
     also find ways of keeping contact with sports bodies in Calvinia.


 H.     Overall comments


     The late MEC for sport, Mr Brian Hermanus, was seen to  be  on  top
     of the sports issues, with a clear programme of keeping  the  youth
     out of jails. The Premier of the province was also seen to be  very
     supportive of sports development. The officials of  the  department
     were highly committed and prepared to work extra  hours  to  ensure
     that programmes of sport were efficiently and effectively  managed.
     The MEC was seen to be at the level  of  the  people  in  terms  of
     interaction and communication with structures  on  the  ground.  It
     was unfortunate that he passed  away  before  the  presentation  of
     this report. This was the first province in which  members  of  the
     standing committee on sport were part of  the  meetings  that  were
     held with the delegation of the Portfolio Committee  on  Sport  and
     Recreation. It was also clear in the  meetings  that  the  Standing
     Committee  members  had  a  full  understanding  of  sports-related
     matters in the province.


     The successor of the late MEC would find it easy to follow  such  a
     clear programme in sport.


 I.     Recommendations


     The Committee -


     1. noting that some sports facilities have no grass and that  water
          in the Northern Cape is  not  just  scarce  but  expensive  to
          reticulate  (recommended  that   special   funding   for   the
          installation of synthetic grass at those facilities which have
          no grass be made available by the national Department of Sport
          and Recreation to the  Northern  Cape,  thereby  bringing  the
          level of standard of facilities in the Northern  Cape  to  the
          level of facilities that are found in other provinces);


     2. noting  that  some  of  the  facilities  are  neglected  by  the
          municipalities responsible for maintaining such facilities;


     3. noting that some municipalities lack the capacity  of  providing
          and maintaining the sports facilities;


     4. noting that members of the community, which such facilities  are
          provided to improve their living  standards,  vandalise  these
          facilities, and


     recommends that -


     (a)     the provincial department of sport  engages  municipalities
          for purposes of identifying  problems affecting municipalities
          in this regard;
     (b)     the provincial department of sport builds the  capacity  of
          municipalities around sports issues;


     (c)     sports forums be  established  at  local  level  so  as  to
          facilitate  community   ownership   to   facilities,   thereby
          preventing vandalism from taking place.


     It is recommended that exchange programmes  between  the  provinces
     be initiated so as learn from one another,  the  Northern  Province
     being one province from whom a lot could be learnt.