House of Assembly: Vol7 - WEDNESDAY 28 SEPTEMBER 1988

WEDNESDAY, 28 SEPTEMBER 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs

KwaNdebele: civil claims against police force 1069. Mr F J LE ROUX

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

Whether any civil claims were brought against the police force of KwaNdebele during the period 1 January 1986 to 31 December 1987; if so, (a) how many such claims were (i) brought and (ii) disposed of, (b) what total amount was involved, (c) what did the legal costs amount to and (d) what total amount has already been granted by the court against this police force?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

The police function was transferred to the KwaNdebele Government on 1 April 1986. I am not in a position or prepared to reply to questions regarding matters which fall under the jurisdiction of another government.

(a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away.

KwaNdebele: civil claims against Government 1070. Mr F J LE ROUX

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

Whether any civil claims were brought against the Government of KwaNdebele during the period 1 January 1986 to 31 December 1987; if so, (a) how many such claims were (i) brought and (ii) disposed of, (b) what total amount was involved, (c) what did the legal costs amount to and (d) what total amount has already been granted by the court against the Government of KwaNdebele?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

Civil claims brought against a government is an internal matter of that government.

I am not in a position or prepared to reply to questions regarding matters which fall under the jurisdiction of another Government.

(a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away.

Black residential areas: water/electricity accounts 1169. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

(a) What was the total amount outstanding in respect of unpaid (i) water and (ii) electricity accounts in the Black residential areas situated in the Pretoria/Witwatersrand/Vaal Triangle areas of the Transvaal ás at the latest specified date for which figures are available and (b) for how long, on average, had these amounts been outstanding?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrator of Transvaal and he furnished the following information:

(a) These statistics are unfortunately not kept in detail and therefore only the total outstanding rent and service charges can be furnished.

Total amount outstanding as at 31 March 1988 is: R328 840 294.

The outstanding amount is mainly in respect of Soweto and the West Rand. It can be mentioned, however, that there is a remarkable decline in the increase of arrears.

The following steps are taken to improve the collection of rent and service charges.

By Local Authorities:

  1. (a) A deacon action is being launched by employing teams to collect outstanding moneys from house to house with reasonable success.
  2. (b) In some instances mobile offices are utilised to collect rent and service charges before normal office hours and in the evenings.
  3. (c) Eviction orders are being obtained against non-payers and electricity supply is being discontinued.
  4. (d) Personal interviews are being conducted with lessees.
  5. (e) Council members hold ward meetings with lessees to motivate them to pay.
    By the Provincial Government of Transvaal:
  6. (f) Meetings are held between members of the Executive Committee and the Administrator and Mayors and Executive Committee Members of local authorities, to address the issue, i.e. Soweto, Lekoa, Dobsonville, Jouberton and Ratanda.
  7. (g) Councils which do not attempt to bring its financial matters in order, are moved from office and administrators are appointed, i.e. Diepmeadow, Embalenhle and Tokoza.
  8. (h) In the case of Soweto the Dr. Simon Brand Working Group has been appointed to address the financial problems of Soweto. Recommendations of the Working Group will be applied to other local authorities.

(b) ± 13 months.

Beaches: open/reserved 1179. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether there are any beaches on the coastlines of the Cape Province and Natal that are open to members of all race groups; if so, which beaches;
  2. (2) whether any beaches on these coastlines are reserved solely for use by (a) Whites, (b) Coloureds, (c) Indians and (d) Blacks; if so, (i) which beaches in each case, (ii) in terms of what statutory provisions and/or regulations and (iii) what are the penalties for contravening these statutory provisions and/or regulations?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrators of the Cape Province and Natal and they furnished the following information:

NATAL

  1. (1) Yes; all beaches are open to all members of all race groups except Durban’s South Beach, Addington Beach and Anstey’s Beach; and Richards Bay’s Alkant Beach.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) Whites, yes
    2. (b) Coloureds, no
    3. (c) Indians, no
    4. (d) Blacks, no
      1. (i) Durban’s South Beach, Addington Beach and Anstey’s Beach; and Richards Bay’s Alkant Beach.
      2. (ii) Durban
        In terms of the Durban Beach Bylaws published in terms of the Local Authorities Ordinance, No 25 of 1974.
        Richards Bay
        In terms of the Reservation of Separate Amenities Act, No 49 of 1953.
      3. (iii) Durban
        As prescribed by the Durban Beach Bylaws made in terms of the Local Authorities Ordinance No 25 of 1974.
        Richards Bay
        As prescribed by Section 2(2) of the Reservation of Separate Amenities Act, No 49 of 1953.

CAPE PROVINCE

  1. (1) Yes. It is, however, not possible to provide a list of the open beaches. Local authorities were until recently responsible for demarcation resulting in that all information is at present only available from the different local authorities. The Cape Provincial Government is presently obtaining the information.
  2. (2) (a), (b), (c), (d) and (i) Fall away. (See (1) above.)
    1. (ii) In accordance with the reservations of Separate Amenities Act, Act No 49 of 1953.
    2. (iii) As prescribed by the Separate Amenities Act, Act No 49 of 1953.
Black communities/townships: resettlement 1206. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) (a) How many Black communities or townships remain to be removed or resettled in each province, (b) what is the (i) name and location, (ii) nature and (iii) total population of each such community or township and (c) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  2. (2) (a) (i) where and (ii) when will the inhabitants of each such township or community be resettled and (b) what is the total estimated coast of resettling these communities?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrators of the different provinces and they furnished the following information:

Natal

  1. (1)
    1. (a) Two
    2. (b)
      1. (i) Umbulwane and Ntombi’s Camp, Ladysmith
      2. (ii) Squatting communities
      3. (iii) 2 976 and 432 persons respectively
    3. (c) As at 31 May 1988
  2. (2)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Stead ville Extension,. Ladysmith
      2. (ii) During 1988/89
    2. (b) R128 000

Transvaal

  1. (1)
    1. (a) Three
    2. (b)
      1. (i) Oukasie Emergency Camp,
        Brits
        Weilers Farm Emergency
        Camp, Vaal Triangle
        Old Black residential area, Koster
      2. (ii) As indicated under (i) above

(iii) Oukasie:

5 563

Weilers Farm:

9 468

Koster:

2 700

(c) 31 March 1988.

  1. (2) Oukasie
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Letlhabile (23 km from Brits)
      2. (ii) Resettlement is in progress and takes place at the rate residents apply voluntarily to be moved.
    2. (b) R2 511 555 in respect of compensation for buildings and structures evacuated as well as removal expenses.

Weilers Farm

  1. (a)
    1. (i) Wildebeestfontein (adjacent to Evaton)
    2. (ii) As soon as serviced sites become available (presumably October 1988) and residents agree to resettle voluntarily.
  2. (b) R394 500 in respect of transport expenses should they seek assistance.

Koster

  1. (a)
    1. (i) Reagile (new township 1 km from old area)
    2. (ii) Resettlement is in progress and takes place at the rate residents apply voluntarily to be moved.
  2. (b) R727 550 in respect of compensation for homes evacuated and transport expenses of residents of remaining 335 houses.

Orange Free State

  1. (1)
    1. (a) Three
    2. (b)
      1. (i) Platberg at Ladybrand
        Voëlpan at Allanridge
        Blacks in Luckoff Coloured Township at Luckhoff
      2. (ii) Platberg — Deproclaimed Black Township
        Voëlpan — Old unplanned location adjacent to newly established Black town
        Luckhoff — Blacks residing amongst Coloureds.
      3. (iii) Platberg ± 1 632 persons
        Voëlplan ± 6 000 persons
        Luckhoff ± 750 persons
    3. (c) 1 June 1988
  2. (2)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Platberg to Manyatseng
        Voëlpan to Nyakallong
        Luckhoff to the new Black Township (no official name allocated as yet)
      2. (ii) Platberg — continuous action
        Voëlpan — continuous action
        Luckhoff — as soon as the area for the new Black township has been proclaimed a development area.
    2. (b) Because resettlement takes place on a voluntary basis costs can only be determined after the resettlement has been completed.

Cape Province

  1. (1)
    1. (a) 52
    2. (b) (i), (ii), (iii) below.
    3. (c) 9 June 1988.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) (i), (ii) below.
    2. (b) below.

(i) (b) (ii)

(1) (b) (ii)

(i)(b)(iii) number of people)

(2) (a) (i)

(2) (a) (ii)

(2) (b)

Port Elizabeth

— Koeganskop

210

— St Peters Church, Coega

84

— Missionville

396

— Kleinskool

1 968

— Chatty River

15 000

— New Brighton, Kwasakhele Zwide (Soweto by the sea) and Walmer

93 282

— Swartkopseesout

3 000

— Brickworks (Vermaak)

Controlled and uncontrolled

156

Motherwell

1988

— Brickworks (Corobrick)

squatting in a flood area

36

Future Motherwell 2

to

— Korsten

12

Other additional land still to be identified

1195

245 310 650

— Kleinskool (South of old

198

Uitenhage road)

208

— Gedult River

52

— Groenbossies

2 918

— Aloes

39

— Kunene Park

52

— Motherwell

7 800

— St Albans (Ferreira’s Camp)

5

— Welgemoed

200

— Maitland-mouth

60

— Mark Lovemore’s

Ground

98

Mosselbay

— JCC Kamp

Squatters must stay within a proclaimed area

2 172

To a Proclaimed Black Township

Unknown

Unknown

Knysna

210

— Jood se kamp

White Municipality and Private Land

700

To a Proclaimed Black Township

Unknown

Unknown

— Fechters

White Municipality and Private Land

700

To a Proclaimed Black Township

Unknown

Unknown

— Whitelocation

White Municipality and Private Land

140

To a Proclaimed Black Township

Unknown

Unknown

— Concordia

White Municipality and Private Land

550

To a Proclaimed Black Township

Unknown

Unknown

— Flenters

White Municipality and Private Land

600

To a Proclaimed Black Township

Unknown

Unknown

George

— Lawaaikamp

Coloured Area

1 200

To a Proclaimed Black Township

Unknown

Unknown

Port Nolloth

— Tent Town

Controlled Squatters

250

To place of origin

— Bloukamp

Controlled Squatters

40

To place of origin

Hopetown Coloured Area

Squatters living amongst Coloureds

194 families

Proposed Black Township at Hopetown

Unknown

2 411 125

De Aar

— Multi Camp

Squatters living amongst Coloureds

472 families

Nonzwakazi Black Township

Unknown

6 372 000

Middelburg

— Old Black Township

Municipality need land for own use

3 250

Kwanonzame

Black Township

1991-92

546 662

Uitenhage

— Farms in area

Must stay within a proclaimed Black area

100

Kwanobuhle

Black Township

1989-90

189 000

Elliot

— Old Black Township

Municipality need land for own use

± 3 800

Masibambane

Black Township

1991-92

11 013 305

Cathcart

— Old Black Township

Area too small and cannot be extended

±5 200

Kati-Kati Black Township

1991-92

13 880 525

Willowmore

— Coloured Area

Living amongst Coloured

613

Premises adjoining Coloured Township

1989-90

1 184 422

Kareedouw

— Old Black Township

Needed to extend Coloured Township

581

New Black

Township Xhosa

1989-90

2 216 594

East London

— Ziphunzana

Duncan Village must be upgraded. Squat

— Duncan Village Proper

ters at Duncan Village, Cambridge and East London must also be accommodated

62 322

Reeston, East

London and additional land

1990-92

147 278 883

Kenton-on-sea

— Noodkamp

Municipality needed land for own use.

2 736

520

To new Black Townships to be established on the farm Marselle

1989-90

8 150 178

— Coloured Farmas

Nankos

Squatters must stay within a proclaimed

Black Area

45

— Kinkelbos

(Squatters)

Aliwal-North

— (Commonage land)

Squatters living on Municipality land

5 000

Additional land at Aliwal-North

1990

9 696 050

Thornhill

— Loure

Squatters must stay within a proclaimed

150

Land must still be identified

Unknown

856 800

— Thornhill District Plantasies (Hankey District)

Black area

273

20

Estimated

Tsitsikama, Eerste- rivier, Bloukrans, Humansdorp

Squatters must stay within a proclaimed Black area

304

579 600

Black workers: amount of money collected from farmers 1207. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

What amount of money was collected from farmers in each specified region as contributions in respect of Black workers under the

Contributions in Respect of Black Labour Act, No 29 of 1972, in the 1986-87 financial year?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrators of the different Provinces and they furnished the following information:

The collection of contributions in respect of all Black workers under the Contributions in Respect of Black Labour Act was stopped after promulgation of the Abolition of Development Bodies Act, 1986 on 30 June 1986.

Black housing: amount spent 1231. Mr J J S PRINSLOO

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

  1. (1) What total amount was spent by his Department on Black housing in the Republic during 1984 and the period 1 January to 31 May 1988, respectively;
  2. (2) how many dwelling units for Blacks were erected during 1984,1985,1986,1987 and the period 1 January to 31 May 1988, respectively, out of funds provided by his Department for that purpose?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrators of the different provinces and they furnished the following information:

Cape Province

(1)

1984 =

R18 461 477

01.01.88/31.05.88 =

R32 202 055

(2)

1984 =

3 807

1985 =

1 569

1986 =

9 424

1987 =

2 191

01.01.88/31.05.88 =

980

Natal

  1. (1) The Natal Provincial Government was not involved in the provision of housing for Blacks during 1984. No money was spent on housing as such for Blacks during the period 1 January 1988 to 31 May 1988.
  2. (2) None during the period 1 October 1986 and 31 May 1988.

Orange Free State

In respect of Black local authorities:

  1. (1) 1984 — R10 299 285
    1 January - 31 May 1988 — R899 607
  2. (2) 1984 — 1 841
    1985 — 1 251
    1986 — 189
    1987 — 66
    1 January - 31 May 1988 — 161

Transvaal

  1. (1) 1984 — R53 884 805
    Records are being kept on a financial year basis, therefore, the particulars for the period April/May 1988 and not for January/May 1988, are supplied. Amount spent R1 400 388.
  2. (2) 1984 — 1 798
    1985 — 4 694
    1986 — 3 039
    1987 — 728 dwelling units
    1 152 flats
    152 90% loans

April/May 1988: 160 (all types of dwelling units)

Black housing: amount spent 1232. Mr J J S PRINSLOO

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:†

  1. (1) What total amount was spent by his Department on Black housing in the Republic during 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987 and the period 1 January to 31 May 1988, respectively;
  2. (2) how many dwelling units for Blacks were erected during each of the above-mentioned periods out of funds provided by his Department for that purpose?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1) The following amounts were made available for loans for selfbuild schemes under the item housing in:
    1984 (1983/84 financial year): R10 686 240
    1985 (1984/85 financial year): R15 927 000
    1986 (1985/86 financial year): R16 308 992
    1987 (1986/87 financial year) R60 604 000
    1 January 1988 to 31 May 1988: The figures are unfortunately not yet available.
    In addition the following amounts were made available for the provision of infrastructure such as roads, water, sanitation and electricity:
    1984 — R39 732 760
    1985 — R36 242 500
    1986 —R38 851 000
    1987 — R226 928 000
    (The 1986/87 amounts include additional funds made available.)
    The amounts as mentioned above include the towns in the self-governing areas and on South African Development Trust land.
  2. (2) 1984 — 3 091
    1985 — 3 191
    1986 — 2 497
    1987 — 1 239 (Only Trust Towns)
    The South African Government has implemented selfbuild schemes within all the selfgoverning territories and Trust Towns and no longer builds family housing units. Furthermore the functions regarding housing and development of towns have been transferred to the selfgoverning territories who now have decision-making powers.
    The number of houses mentioned above have thus been erected by Blacks in terms of the selfbuild scheme with loans provided by the South African Development Trust.
Development bodies abolished: officials transferred 1238. Mr J J S PRINSLOO

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

  1. (1) Whether any officials of development bodies that were abolished in terms of the Abolition of Development Bodies Act, No 75 of 1986, have not yet been transferred to other permanent posts in the Public Service; if so, (a) how many in respect of each such development body, (b) why not and (c) when are these transfers expected to be finalized;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrators of the different provinces and they furnished the information in respect of (1):

Orange Free State

  1. (1) Yes
    1. (a) Southern OFS Development Board — 190
      Orange-Vaal Development Board — 69 (part)
    2. (b) In terms of section 4(5) of the Abolition of Development Bodies Act, 1986 (Act 75 of 1986) staff employed in the Sorghum beer industry have been placed under direct control of the Administrator, with the result that such staff have not been transferred to Public Service posts. Negotiations are presently under way to privatise the Sorghum beer industry.
    3. (c) The process of privatisation is timeconsuming, but a target date of 30 April 1989 has been set.
  2. (2) A statement pertaining to the privatisation of the Sorghum beer industry will be issued at an appropriate time in which the position of the staff will also be dealt with.

Natal

  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) 1 026
    2. (b) In terms of section 4(5) of the Abolition of Development Bodies Act, 1986 (Act 75 of 1986) staff employed in the Sorghum beer industry have been placed under direct control of the Administrator, with the result that such staff have not been transferred to Public Service posts. Negotiations are presently underway to privatise the Sorghum beer industry.
    3. (c) The process of privatisation is timeconsuming, but a target date of 30 April 1989 has been set.
  2. (2) A statement pertaining to the privatisation of the sorghum beer industry will be issued at an appropriate time in which the position of the staff will also be dealt with.

Cape Province

  1. (1) Yes
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Northern Cape:
        Sorghum Beer Personnel — 225
        Other Personnel — 5
      2. (ii) Eastern Cape:
        Sorghum Beer Personnel — 82
        Other Personnel — 26
      3. (iii) Western Cape — 0
    2. (b)
      1. (i) Northern Cape:
        Sorghum Beer Personnel:
        The staff are temporarily allocated to the Industrial Development Corporation as Administrators’ officials until such time as the industry is privatized. The position of the affected staff will be addressed during privatisation.
        Other Personnel:
        One person is in the process of being transferred to a Black Town Committee, one to the Department of Manpwoer whilst the others are working at a hostel which will shortly be privatized.
      2. (ii) Eastern Cape:
        Sorghum Beer Personnel:
        The staff are temporarily allocated to the Industrial Development Corporation as Administrators’ officials until such time as the industry is privatized.
        Other Personnel:
        The persons concerned are being employed at small towns where posts, as a result of the abolition of functions, have not been created on the establishment of the Cape Provincial Administration and their services are currently being utilized at Black Town Committees.
      3. (iii) Western Cape: Not applicable.
    3. (c) (i), (ii) and (iii) It is not expected that the matter will be finalized before the end of 1988. The process of privatisation of the Sorghum beer industry is time-consuming, but 30 April 1989 has been set as the target date.
  2. (2) A statement pertaining to the privatisation of the Sorghum beer industry will be issued at an appropriate time in which the position of the staff will also be dealt with.

Transvaal

(1)

(a)

Development Body

Number of Officials

(i)

Transvaal Board for the Development of Peri-Urban Areas

1 208

(ii)

Development Boards:

East Rand and Central

Transvaal Development

Boards

685

West Rand and Orange- Vaal Development Boards (Partial)

633

Northern-Transvaal Development Board

225

Highveld and Eastern

Transvaal Development

Board

275

Western Transvaal Development Board

304

  1. (b)
    1. (i) Serious consideration is being given in dividing local authority functions into own and general affairs. In view thereof that the Transvaal Board for the Development of Peri-Urban Areas is vested with local authority functions its future will be affected by decisions thereanent. As soon as finality is reached in this regard the staff will be properly placed.
    2. (ii) The staff is in the employment of the Sorghum beer industry which is being privatized. In this process the position of the staff is being considered and the majority will be absorbed.
    3. (c) The process of privatisation is timeconsuming, but a target date of 30 April 1989 has been set.
  1. (2) A statement pertaining to the privatisation of the Sorghum beer industry will be issued at an appropriate time in which the position of the staff will also be dealt with.
Beach resort facilities: amounts to be spent 1310. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) (a) What amounts is it estimated will be spent on the provision of beach resort facilities for Whites, Coloureds, Indians and Blacks, respectively, within the current financial year and (b) (i) on what projects and (ii) where are these amounts to be spent;
  2. (2) whether any of these projects are in respect of more than one race group; if so, which of these projects are in respect of (a) integrated and (b) segregated facilities?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrators of Natal and the Cape Province respectively and they furnished the following information:

As a result of the recent allocation of additional funds for recreational facilities, the allocation of funds on a priority basis has not yet been finalised.

Employees in full-time capacity 1389. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

How many (a) Whites, (b) Coloureds, (c) Indians and (d) Blacks were in the employ of his Department in a full-time capacity as at the latest specified date for which information is available?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

Information as at 19 August 1988

  1. (a) 517
  2. (b) none
  3. (c) none
  4. (d) 101
Oukasie, Brits: residents 1390. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

  1. (a) How many Blacks are resident in Oukasie near Brits at present, (b) how many squatter structures have been erected there and (c) in respect of what date is this information furnished?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrator of Transvaal and he furnished the following information:

  1. (a) 5 546
  2. (b) 675 squatter structures have been erected since 1986.
  3. (c) 5 July 1988.
Computers: supply/maintenance 1392. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether a decision has been reached on the supply of computers to and maintenance of computers in all high and primary schools falling under his control; if not, why not; if so, (a) what decision and (b) what time-table regarding supply has been set?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

Yes

  1. (a) The provision of computer systems for colleges of education enjoys priority.
  2. (b) Provision depends on decisions taken by a committee of the CHED which was commissioned to inquire into the matter as well as into the availability of funds.
African language as school subject 1395. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

How many (a) schools falling under his Department were offering, and (b) pupils were taking, an African language as a subject as at the latest specified date for which information is available?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (a) 7 631
  2. (b) 1 885 405

Information as on 3 March 1987.

Private schools: subsidies 1396. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether private school subsidies for 1988 have been decided upon; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is it anticipated that they will be decided upon; if so, how many private schools have been granted subsidies of (i) 45 and (ii) 15 per cent?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

The second instalment of subsidies for the 1987/88 financial year was paid in February 1988. A decision on subsidies for the 1988/89 financial year is yet to be taken.

  1. (a) and (b) The evaluation of applications for the 1988/89 financial year is being made at present and a decision will be taken before the payment of the first instalment of the subsidy in October 1988.
    1. (i) In the 1987/88 financial year 24 schools were allocated subsidies of 45%, while applications for the 1988/89 financial year are under consideration.
    2. (ii) In the 1987/88 financial year 31 schools were allocated subsidies of 15%, while applications for the 1988/89 financial year are under consideration.
Private schools: subsidies 1397. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether any private schools (a) have not applied for and (b) have been refused subsidies in 1988; if so, (i) how many in each case and (ii) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (a) Yes.
    1. (i) In the 1987/88 financial year four schools did not apply for a subsidy. In the 1988/89 financial year one school did not apply for a subsidy.
    2. (ii) 24 August 1988.
  2. (b)
    1. (i) Applications for subsidies in the 1988/89 financial year are currently under consideration.
    2. (ii) 24 August 1988.
Medical school: graduates 1400. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

How many students in each race group qualified as doctors at the end of 1986 at each specified medical school falling under the control of his Department?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

Black — 47

White — 0

Coloured — 0

Asians — 0

Only medical training offered by the Medical University of Southern Africa falls under the control of the Department.

Teachers: posts 1407. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

What number of teachers occupied the posts of (a) principal, (b) deputy principal, (c) head of department, (d) temporary teacher and (e) permanent teacher in each specified type of school in each province in 1986 and 1987, respectively?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

Information is given according to the seven regions of the Department.

1986

Region

School type

(a)

(b)

(c)

(d)

(e)

N Tvl

Public

331

64

669

847

4 198

Farm

903

3

16

718

844

Other state aided

35

4

20

28

218

Private

6

2

2

6

53

Highveld

Public

258

107

649

880

4 405

Farm

598

1

17

406

561

Other state aided

37

0

5

32

144

Private

3

0

2

1

23

Johannesburg

Public

298

62

573

762

4 585

Farm

1

0

0

4

2

Other state aided

5

0

0

0

20

Private

14

3

8

18

135

Orange-Vaal

Public

176

81

425

381

3 004

Farm

1 288

0

2

346

594

Other state aided

4

0

1

1

12

Private

3

1

1

2

29

OFS

Public

217

47

441

828

2 620

Farm

1 110

1

1

420

296

Other state aided

23

0

3

34

55

Private

13

1

1

22

44

Natal

Public

149

19

242

529

1 700

Farm

854

1

19

531

966

Other state aided

30

0

10

51

111

Private

10

1

0

5

68

Cape

Public

308

66

558

712

3 675

Farm

701

0

3

170

394

Other state aided

16

1

1

2

18

Private

9

1

0

2

53

1987

NTvl

Public

281

60

609

781

4 119

Farm

926

4

17

752

889

Other state aided

33

1

13

40

187

Private

5

2

1

5

57

Highveld

Public

274

109

681

1 041

4 690

Farm

601

0

21

438

560

Other state aided

37

0

5

29

147

Private

3

1

3

3

16

Johannesburg

Public

309

68

591

717

4 721

Farm

1

0

0

7

2

Other state aided

6

0

0

1

23

Private

11

2

6

15

139

Orange-Vaal

Public

181

93

472

455

3 190

Farm

1 321

1

3

354

599

Other state aided

3

0

1

2

12

Private

3

1

2

2

27

OFS

Public

232

57

467

1 140

2 775

Farm

1 139

1

1

445

288

Other state aided

20

0

4

32

52

Private

13

1

1

24

48

Natal

Public

157

18

264

585

1 748

Farm

859

1

21

601

953

Other state aided

30

0

11

55

106

Private

10

1

0

8

66

Cape

Public

359

80

588

977

3 936

Farm

706

0

4

202

356

Other state aided

16

1

1

3

17

Private

10

1

0

9

49

Pupils: home language categories 1408. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

What number of pupils in each specified home language category attended (a) primary and

  1. (b) secondary schools in South Africa as at the latest specified date for which figures are available?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

This information can be found in the Departmental Annual Report of 1987, table 3.4.3 on page 272.

Computer data system 1411. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether his Department maintains a computer data system for all statistical information on staff, student and pupil numbers; if not, why not ; if so, (a) when was this sytem finalized, (b) what areas of data are maintained in this system and (c) how often is the information updated?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

Yes.

  1. (a) 1984
  2. (b) All information regarding primary and secondary schools in respect of location, accommodation, pupils and teachers is found in the Annual Report of this Department.
  3. (c) One complete update is annually done on the first Tuesday in March, supplemented by two additional surveys.
Pupils: attendance figures 1412. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

What was the (a) average and (b) percentage attendance of pupils in schools under his control in each province for 1986 and 1987, respectively?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

(a) and (b): The Department of Education and Training has not at its disposal the necessary information to readily reply to this question.

Standards 6/10: distribution of pupils 1413. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) What was the distribution of pupils in Standards 6 to 10 in each of the provinces for 1986 and 1987, respectively;
  2. (2) working on the basis of the total enrolment in Standard 6 representing a 100 per cent, what was the percentage distribution of pupils in Standards 6 to 10 in each province for each of the above years?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

Information is according to the seven regions of the Department and not according to provinces.

  1. (1) This information can be found in this Department’s Annual Report of 1986, table 3.4.1 on page 262 and in the Annual Report of 1987, table 3.4.1 on page 270.
  2. (2) Calculation requires unnecessary manpower and is not normally utilized by the Department for its own purpose.
Language medium: pupils taught 1414. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

What was the number of pupils taught through each language medium in all standards in each province for 1986 and 1987, respectively?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

The information as requested with regard to pupils in the primary classes is not readily available.

The information with regard to pupils in the secondary classes, given according to the seven regions of the Department, and not according to provinces, is the following:

1986

Region

(i) English

Stad 6

Std. 7

Std. 8

Std. 9

Std. 10

N Transvaal

25 133

15 508

12 111

7 826

4 804

Highveld

20 471

16 669

13 629

7 595

5 025

Johannesburg

16 709

15 828

12 686

11 170

8 366

Orange-Vaal

15 772

13 368

9 307

6 860

3 767

OFS

14 558

10 710

8 416

4 969

3 308

Natal

9 049

6 429

4 980

3 049

1 980

Cape

13 718

10 674

6 470

4 304

2 399

(ii) Afrikaans

Cape

116

74

72

1987

(i) English

N Transvaal

22 317

18 444

13 112

9 036

6 054

Highveld

24 761

19 395

14 492

11 239

6 835

Johannesburg

24 004

12 189

9 332

7 718

5 778

Orange-Vaal

17 552

14 853

10 220

7 708

5 278

OFS

17 424

13 038

8 775

6 459

4 520

Natal

10 675

7 664

5 197

3 821

2 301

Cape

15 061

10 995

7 250

4 552

3 177

(ii) Afrikaans

Cape

105

87

88

31

Information as at 03-03-1987.

Aids: investigation/report 1415. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether he or his Department has appointed a committee to investigate and report on the question of Aids in relation to (a) teachers and (b) instruction to pupils; if not, why not; if so, (i) when was the committee appointed and (ii) what are the names of its members;
  2. (2) whether the committee has reported; if not, why not; if so, what are the main elements of the report;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) No
    2. (b) No
      All health services are the responsibility of the Department of National Health and Population Development, while school health services are operated by the different provincial adminsitrations. The Department is however represented on the Working Group for Population Education of the Inter-departmental Committee of the Population Development Program and the Advisory Committee with regard to Health Guidance, which are concerned with the matter.
      1. (i) Falls away.
      2. (ii) Falls away.
  2. (2) Falls away.
  3. (3) No.
Private schools: subsidies 1416. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether any changes have been effected or are envisaged in the formula or policy for the financing of subsidies for private schools under his control; if not, why not; if so, what changes have been or are to be effected;
  2. (2) what is the current formula for the financing of private schools;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1) The Department of National Education is responsible for the policy and formula for the financing of subsidies.
  2. (2) Private schools receive a subsidy equal to 15% or 45% of the running costs of Departmental schools, depending on the category for which they qualify.
  3. (3) No.
Learning Technologies: relationship with two bodies 1419. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to an article on Learning Technologies (Pty) Ltd (Learn Tech) in the 24 June 1988 issue of a certain periodical, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, he intends to investigate (a) the relationship between Learn Tech and two bodies, the names of which have also been furnished to his Department, and (b) possible infringements of his Department’s copyright by Learn Tech;if not, why not; if so, (i) (aa) what matters are to be investigated, (bb) when and (cc) by whom and (ii) what (aa) is the name of this periodical and (bb) are the names of the two bodies referred to above;
  2. (2) whether any such investigations have taken place to date; if so, (a) when and (b) by whom;
  3. (3) whether he will furnish further particulars in this regard; if not, why not; if so, (a) what were the findings of these investigations and (b) what action has been taken as a result?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

In view of the fact that the issue is presently the subject of proceedings of a Commission of Enquiry I do not consider it appropriate to answer this question at this stage.

Self-governing territories: meeting with leaders 1430. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether he held a meeting with leaders of the self-governing territories on or about 2 August 1988; if so, (a) which leaders of these territories attended the meeting and (b) what was the purpose thereof?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

Yes, on 1 August 1988.

  1. (a) Chief Minister E. J. Mabuza of KaNgwane; Chief Minister H. W. E Ntsanwisi of Gazankulu; Minister M. M. Makhalemele, and D. T. Mokoena of Qwaqwa and Ministers F. K. Mahlangu, M. K. Mtsweni and Z. D. Mnguni of KwaNdebele.
  2. (b) to discuss matters of mutual interest between the Government of South Africa and the self-governing territories.
Townships: rentals 1438. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether persons renting State or State-subsidized housing in Black townships were at any stage promised a reduction in rentals after having paid their rentals for a certain period; if so, what are the relevant details?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

Not by the Department of Development Planning.

Municipal elections: participation 1453. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) What are the conditions of participation in municipal elections for Blacks;
  2. (2) whether provision has been made for Black squatters to participate in these elections; if so,
  3. (3) whether the conditions of participation by squatters differ from those referred to above; if so, what are the differences?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) The conditions for participation are laid down in the Black Local Authorities Act, 1982 (Act 102 of 1982) and the Regulations promulgated thereunder.
  2. (2) and (3) In the Act and the Regulations no specific reference is made of squatters. If a squatter complies with the prescribed requirements, he can participate in the elections.
RSC headquarters in PE 1456. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether it is intended to build regional services council headquarters in Port Elizabeth; if so, what stage has been reached in its planning and construction?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

No, not at this stage. Future development and needs will determine whether headquarters should be built.

Old-age pensions: pay-out points 1461. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

(a) How many pay-out points for old-age pensions for Blacks are there in the Republic and (b) what is the average numebr of old-age pensioners per pay-out point in each province?

The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

This matter vests in the Administrators of the different provinces and the information was co-ordinated and furnished by the Transvaal Provincial Government.

  1. (a) 515
  2. (b) Transvaal — 970
    Cape Province — 629
    OFS — 538
    Natal — 530
Group Areas Act: notices issued 1475. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether any notices were issued in terms of section 41 of the Group Areas Act, No 36 of 1966, from 1 January 1988 up to the latest specified date for which information is available; if so,(a) how many, (b) on what dates and (c) in which towns or areas;
  2. (2) whether he will identify the properties in respect of which these notices were served; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) No; (a), (b) and (c) fall away.
  2. (2) Falls away.
Group Areas Act: premises sold 1476. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether, since his reply to Question No 4 on 9 June 1987, any premises have been sold by the State in terms of section 41 of the Group Areas Act, No 36 of 1966, as a result of contraventions in terms of the said Act; if so,(a) how many, (b) where were these premises situated in each case and (c) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  2. (2) whether any such premises are due to be sold; if so, (a) how many, (b) where are they situated in each case and (c) when is it anticipated that they will be sold?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) No.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
    3. (c) 26 August 1988.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) Two.
    2. (b) Strand and Uitenhage.
    3. (c) Unknown, as negotiations are still being conducted with the parties concerned.
Group Areas Act: additional notices 1477. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) With reference to his reply tó Question No 552 on 25 March 1988, (a) how many additional notices were issued in terms of section 41 of the Group Areas Act, No 36 of 1966, during the period 11 September to 31 December 1987 and (b) (i) on what dates and (ii) in which towns or areas were they issued;
  2. (2) whether he will identify the properties in respect of which these notices were served; if not, why not, if so, what are the relevant details?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) (a) None.
  2. (b) (i) and (ii) fall away.
  3. (2) Falls away.
Mozambican refugees 1481. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether the South African Government has taken or intends taking any steps to provide relief to Mozambican refugees in Gazankulu; if not, why not; if so, (a) what steps and (b) when?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

The Department of Development Aid has never directly provided relief to Mozambican refugees in Gazankulu. At the request of the Gazankulu Government the Department provided aid for relief purposes during the 1985/86 and 1986/87 financial years to that Government, which in turn provided relief to indigent persons in its territory. The Gazankulu Government has not requested aid for that purpose so far this year and consequently no steps have been taken to provide such aid.

(a) and (b) fall away.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Johannesburg Traffic Department 36. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether the Johannesburg Traffic Department falls under the control of the Transvaal Provincial Administration; if not, under what body does it fall; if so, to what extent;
  2. (2) whether he will furnish statistics on the personnel of this traffic department; if not, why not; if so, how many (a) Whites, (b) Coloureds,(c) Indians and (d) Blacks were in its employ as at the latest specified date for which information is available;
  3. (3) whether he will disclose the types of jobs allocated to members of the various race groups; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant particulars;
  4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) The Johannesburg Traffic Department is a Department of the City Council of Johannesburg which is an outonomous local authority.
  2. (2) (3) and (4)
    It is not my policy to answer questions regarding matters for which a local authority is responsible.
Johannesburg Management Committees 44. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) (a) What are the powers of the Johannesburg (i) White Management Committee and (ii) Coloured Management Committee in respect of (aa) nominating a person for, and (bb) electing a person to, the office of director of the Johannesburg City Council and (b) (i) why and (ii) in terms of what statutory provisions and/or regulations are these procedures followed;
  2. (2) whether the Johannesburg Coloured Management Committee recently put forward a nomination for the above-mentioned office; if so, (a) with what result and (b) what was the reason for the decision taken in this regard?
The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING

This matter vests in the Administrator of Transvaal and he furnished the following information:

  1. (1)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) None — No such office.
      2. (ii) None — No such office.
        1. (aa) No power to nominate. The only power which the White Management committee has, is to make a recommendation to the full City Council, which has reserved to itself the power to appoint departmental heads. The City Council derives that power from section 62 of Ordinance 17 of 1939.
        2. (bb) No power to elect.
    2. (b) (i) and (ii) Not applicable. The powers of the Coloured Management Committee, now known as the “South Western Management Committee”, with regard to the appointment of staff are set out in Regulation 11 of the Regulations promulgated under Administrator’s Notice 912 of 4 August 1976. Regulation 1 1(1)(h) provides:
      “11.(1) Subject to the provisions of section 2A of the Ordinance, the council shall refer the following matters relating to the area concerned, to the committee for consideration and recommendations and, subject to the provisions of subregulation (2), neither the council nor any of its committees shall decide on any such matter until it has given due consideration to any recommendation made thereon by the committee:
      (h) the appointment in a permanent capacity of an officer or employee who is a qualified person and who will be employed in the area or mainly for the administration thereof;”
      By definition contained in Regulation 1 of the aforementioned Regulations, a “qualified person” means a person who, in terms of the provisions of section 1(1) of the Group Areas Act, 1966, is not a disqualified person in relation to a group. In other words, in the context of such Regulations, a qualified person means a Coloured person.
  2. (2) No.
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.

Own Affairs:

Port Elizabeth regional offices: conduct of officials 92. Mr W J DIETRICH

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

  1. (1) With reference to his reply to Question No 2 on 29 June 1988, what procedure is to be followed by members of the public who have complaints concerning the conduct of officials attached to the Port Elizabeth regional offices of his Department and involved in the processing of pensions and grants;
  2. (2) with regard to the fraud dossiers opened by the South African Police, as referred to in paragraph (4) of the above reply, (a) what was the outcome of each of the investigations so undertaken in 1985, 1986 and 1987, respectively, and (b) how many officials involved in the misappropriation of funds in each of these years were still in the employ of his Department as at the latest specified date for which figures are available;
  3. (3) whether all of these funds have been recovered; if not, (a) why not and (b) (i) what amounts in respect of each of the above years have been recovered and (ii) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  4. (4) whether any further instances of misappropriation of such funds occurred during the period 1 January to 31 July 1988; if so, what are the relevant details;
  5. (5) what are the details of the precautionary measures taken by his Department in this regard?
The MINISTER OF HEALTH SERVICES AND WELFARE:
  1. (1) All complaints by members of the public concerning the conduct of officials involved with the processing of pensions and grants must be reported to the Regional Director, Port Elizabeth for the necessary investigation.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) 1985: In 10 cases the accused persons were convicted and received a suspended sentence. They were furthermore ordered to repay the misappropriated amounts to the Department, whilst in two cases the Public Prosecutor withdrew the charges.
      1986: In thirteen (13) cases the convicted persons received a suspended sentence and were ordered to repay the amounts concerned to the Department, whilst in two (2) cases the fraud dossiers were closed as the accused persons could not be traced.
      1987: Four (4) persons were convicted and received a suspended sentence with a Court order to repay the misappropriated amounts to the Department. In one (1) case the accused was found not guilty, whilst in two (2) cases the Public Prosecutor withdrew the charges. Six (6) cases are still sub judice.
    2. (b) None.
  3. (3) No.
    1. (a) The indebted amounts are being recovered in monthly instalments.
    2. (b)
      1. (i) 1985: R9 290,20
        1986: R9 078,91
        1987: R3 653,30
      2. (ii) 31. August 1988.
  4. (4) Yes. Four cases to the total amount of R8 640,00 have been reported. The cases are still sub judice.
  5. (5) As previously mentioned, the supervision and control concerning Social Security matters have been re-inforced in that all applicants for social pensions and grants must appear personally before the Clerk of the District Pension Officer as well as the District Pension Officer himself in order to determine the credibility of such application/applicant. Furthermore an applicant must submit all substantiating evidence/documents and duly certified copies hereof are placed on the Department’s records/files prior to the approval of applications or the continued payment of a social pension/grant. More stringent control measures have also been applied to the issuing of face-value forms, whilst the review procedures pertaining to social pensions/grants have been tightened with the result that pensions/grants are reviewed more regularly in order to ascertain whether the continued payment thereof is justified.