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House of Assembly: Vol7 - WEDNESDAY 24 AUGUST 1988

WEDNESDAY, 24 AUGUST 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Detainees hospitalized 283. Dr M S BARNARD

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether any persons detained in terms of the emergency regulations and those provisions of the Internal Security Act, No 74 of 1982, the administration of which has been assigned to him (a) were hospitalized in 1987 and (b) are hospitalized at present; if so, (i) how many in respect of each specified category of detainees, and (ii) for what reasons were they hospitalized, in each case;
  2. (2) whether any such detainees were visited by (a) district surgeons and (b) private practitioners while in detention in 1987; if so, (i) how many, and (ii) for what reasons, in each case?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 119 persons who were detained in terms of the Emergency Regulations;
        26 persons who were detained in terms of the Internal Security Act.
      2. (ii) To gather and process this information country-wide is a timeconsuming task. Members of the Force who would have carried out the task, already perform long hours of duty under difficult circumstances. They can only perform this task at the cost of other important police functions. Such a task can, in addition, not be accounted for economically. On these grounds the furnishing of the requested information can therefore not be justified.
    2. (b) (i) and (ii) 3 persons in terms of the Emergency Regulations for psychiatric treatment.
  2. (2) (a) and (b) Persons who are detained in terms of the Emergency Regulations and the Internal Security Act, 1982 (Act 74 of 1982) are examined by the District Surgeon at the time of their arrest. Thereafter they are examined by the District Surgeon every fortnight on a routine basis or at the request of the detainee when necessary.
    If necessary, the detainee is referred to a private practitioner for treatment. However, because persons are being detained at various centres country-wide and the compilation of this information would be an extensive and time-consuming task, the requested information is not furnished.
 Self-governing territories: police force 861. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether, in terms of section 21 of the National States Constitution Act, No 21 of 1971, he has permitted the (a) establishment, (b) control, (c) organization and (d) administration of a police force in (i) Gazankulu, (ii) Lebowa, (iii) KaNgwane, (iv) KwaNdebele, (v) Qwaqwa and (vi) KwaZulu; if so, subject to what conditions in each case;
  2. (2) whether the (a) control, (b) organization and (c) administration of any personnel of the police force transferred to the government of each of the self-governing territories referred to above is subject to any conditions determined by him; if so, which such conditions has he determined?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) and (2) No.

 Policemen/suspected informers murdered 970. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) How many (a) policemen and (b) suspected informers were murdered in 1984, 1985, 1986 and 1987, respectively;
  2. (2) how many of these murders are suspected by the South African Police to have been politically motivated in each case in each of these years;
  3. (3) how many persons were charged with the murder of (a) policemen and (b) suspected informers in each of the above years?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1)
    1. (a)
      1984— 19
      1985 — 30
      1986 — 50
      1987 — 35
    2. (b) In general it is not possible to ascertain whether or not a murder victim was a suspected informer. Statistics in this regard are therefore not kept.
  2. (2) In the investigation of murder cases it is not always possible to determine a specific motive for the deed. More than one motive is often involved and is normally based on suspicion. Reliable and scientifically justified statistics cannot be compiled on the basis of suspicions, therefore the requested information cannot be furnished.
  3. (3)
    1. (a)
      1984— 42
      1985 —150
      1986 — 158
      1987— 38
    2. (b) I refer the honourable member to my reply in paragraph 1(b) above.
 Primary/secondary schools: teacher/pupil ratio/ class size 1195. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

What is the (a) teacher/pupil ratio and (b) average class size in (i) primary schools other than farm schools and (ii) secondary schools in the (aa) Cape Peninsula and (bb) Republic?

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

(aa)

(bb)

(i)

(ii)

(i)

(ii)

(a)

1:37

1:40

1:44

1:35

(b)

35

34

49

43

Paragraph (bb) includes the Self-Governing Territories.

Information as on the first Tuesday of March 1987.

 SAP: staff complement 1253. Mr J J S PRINSLOO

asked the Minister of Law and Order:†

Whether he will furnish information on the staff complement of the South African Police; if not, why not; if so, how many (a) Whites, (b) Blacks, (c) Coloureds and (d) Indians were in the permanent employment of the Police on 31 December 1982, 31 December 1983, 31 December 1984.31 December 1985,31 December 1986, 31 December 1987 and 1 May 1988, respectively?

 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(a) to (d)

I refer the honourable member to the Annual Reports of the Commissioner of the South African Police for the yars 1983 to 1987, which were tabled in Parliament and in which this information was published.

 Police reservists: call-up for duty 1332. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether he is authorized to call up police reservists for duty other than on a voluntary after-hours basis; if so, what are the relevant details;
  2. (2) whether this duty results in any loss of income to any members of the Police Reserve; if so, (a) to what extent and (b) what arrangements apply in this regard;
  3. (3) whether he intends taking any action in regard to the matter; if not, why not; if so, (a) what action and (b) when?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) to (3)

I refer the honourable member to my reply to oral question 3 of 1 September 1987 which I also regard as an adequate reply to this question.

 Eastern Europe: South Africans admitted 1343. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

Whether South African citizens are allowed to enter any Eastern European countries on temporary residence permits and/or tourist visas; if so, (a) how many South African citizens entered each such country on (i) temporary residence permits and (ii) tourist visas over the latest specified five-year period for which figures are available and (b) for what purposes did they visit each such country?

 The MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

The Republic of South Africa does not maintain official relations with these countries and I am therefore not in a position to confirm their entry requirements for South African citizens. I also do not dispose of official information regarding the exact number and category of South African citizens who may have been allowed to enter these countries.

 State selling-scheme of rented homes 1346. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

(a) How many houses have been sold by the Department of Development Aid in terms of the State selling-scheme of rented homes since the introduction of the scheme, (b) what is the total amount realized in this manner, (c) what are the terms and conditions of sale and (d) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (a) 3 628 (101 188 houses sold prior to the inception of the special selling-scheme).
  2. (b) R6 057 930.
  3. (c) Conditions for the sale of houses available for renting purposes which were built with funds provided by the South African Development Trust are as follows:

(i)

SELLING PRICE

Deed of Grant

99 Year Right of Leasehold

a) Site

R4,40/25 m2

R4,40/25 m2

b) Infrastructure

None

Sites smaller than 750 m2:

Between R600 and R2 400

Sites larger than 750 m2:

Between R800 and R4 000

c) Electrification

None

R1 300 per site

d) Houses built before 31/12/78

Standard: R30/m2 X floor area (without improvements)

Improved: R30/m2 X floor area plus actual construction cost of any improvements

e) Houses built after 31/12/78

Actual construction costs plus costs of further improvements.

  1. (ii) DISCOUNT
    From the prices listed in (i) above, the following may be deducted:
    1. (a) Up to 65%discount for any actual structural damage to the particular house.
    2. (b) After the discount in (a) has been deducted, the following further discount can be subtracted:
      1. (i) 25%for cash sales. In the case of houses with a gross price of R2 500 or less, a discount of 30%is granted.
      2. (ii) 5%in the case of a purchaser who has rented the house for 5 years or longer.
      3. (iii) 5%in the case of purchasers who buy within the special sales period that ends at 31 December 1988.
  2. (iii) FURTHER INCENTIVES
    The following further incentives are applicable:
    1. (a) To the loan for the purchase of a house can be added any arrear rent which is applicable to the site and construction cost of the house.
    2. (b) Transfer costs and other purchase costs can be added to the loan amount in deserving cases.
  3. (iv) CONDITIONS OF PAYMENT
    1. (a) Deposit
      1. (i) A minimum deposit of 5% of the net calculated purchase price is payable. In the case of a house which is sold on the 99-year right of leasehold the minimum deposit is R300,00.
      2. (ii) A lessee who has paid rent regularly over at least the last 3 years can purchase without payment of a deposit. Where regular payment of rent was not possible due to circumstances beyond the control of the occupant, the town council or town manager may approve that the purchase can be effected without a deposit.
    2. (b) Instalments
      Where the purchase price cannot be paid in cash the balance of the purchase may be paid as follows:

(i) Soshanguve, Umlazi, Ntuzuma and KwaMashu

4,5%of the purchase price per annum

(ii) All other towns

3,5%of the purchase price per annum

(d) Up to 30 June 1988.
SAP: salary increases 1348. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether any salary increases, other than notch and merit increases, were granted to (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Black members of the South African Police within the past six months; if so, (i) what increases, (ii) when, and (iii) why, in each case?

 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

lp;2q (a) to (d)

No, but disparity in the salaries of Black, Coloured and Indian members of the Force was eliminated with effect from 1 March 1988, in accordance with a Cabinet decision.

 Mozambique: loans by South African Government 1349. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

Whether he will furnish information on loans made to Mozambique by the South African Government; if not, why not; if so, (a) how many such loans were made to the (i) Government of, and (ii) each specified organization in Mozambique during each of the latest specified five years for which figures are available, (b) what was the amount of each loan and (c) for what purpose was it provided in each case?

 The MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:

Yes.

  1. (a)
    1. (i) One in 1987.
    2. (ii) None.
  2. (b) R3 million.
  3. (c) For the first phase of the rehabilitation and development of that section of Maputo harbour which handles South African trade inter alia.
 Pupils murderd whilst attending school 1353. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether any pupils of schools falling under his jurisdiction were murdered whilst attending school during the latest specified period of five years for which information is available; if so, how many in each of these years;
  2. (2) whether any measures are being taken to prevent occurrences of this nature; if so, (a) what measures and (b) by whom?
 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) 3 (Three) in 1986.
    2. (b) 1 (One) on 18 May 1987.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) The general application of discipline and supervision of children on the schoolgrounds by personnel.
      The presence of security forces is requested timeously when it is obvious that people’s lives are endangered.
    2. (b) By security forces at the request of a principal of a school and/or a Regional Director.
 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

SAP Western Province Division: commanding officers 42. Mr W J DIETRICH

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) How many (a) district head-offices, (b) training colleges, (c) riot control unit offices, (d) charge offices and (e) detective branch offices in the Western Province Division of the South African Police (i) are situated in predominantly Coloured group areas and (ii) have (aa) White and (bb) Coloured commanding officers;
  2. (2) whether it is Government policy that each race group should preferably be served by members of that race group; if so, (a) what steps have been taken in regard to (i) the appointment of senior Coloured officers to existing senior posts, (ii) in-service training programmes to prepare competent (aa) commissioned and (bb) noncommissioned Coloured officers in the Police Force for appointment to posts currently filled by Whites and (iii) the implementation of this policy in general and (b) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1)
    1. (i)
      1. (a) 1.
      2. (b) 1.
      3. (c) None.
      4. (d) 12.
      5. (e) 12.
    2. (ii)
      1. (aa) 10.
      2. (bb) 1.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) (i) to (iii) It is the policy of the Government that every race group should as far as possible preferably be served by members of that race group because it is requested and preferred by the communities. Although a number of Coloured officers already serve in commanding posts, there is a shortage of experienced Coloured officers and the posts in paragraph (ii)(aa) above are at present still being manned by Whites in the interests of the community and efficient policing.
    2. (b) 30 June 1988.
  3. (3) Yes. I wish to point out to the honourable member that for a number of years, all members of the Force receive the same training and enjoy the same opportunities for promotion and participation in the promotion examinations. In addition, all members are included in occupational planning programmes and are continually motivated to participate in promotion examination in order to qualify themselves for more senior posts.
    The reaction of the vast majority of the Coloured members of the Force has up until now unfortunately been unsatisfactory. Only a small number, especially younger members, utilise these opportunities.
    In the case of older and more experienced Coloured members of the Force, there is a large degree of resistance to promotion and these members choose not to participate in promotion examinations. They live in their own houses and have, over a long period of time, established themselves in the communities in which they are stationed and enjoy the respect of those communities. Promotion to a next rank may possibly result in a transfer and moving and they are not prepared to go through such disruption and uncertainty. They also fear the unfamiliarity of a new community and whether or not they will be accepted there.
    However, I wish to assure the honourable member that active attempts are being made to improve this state of affairs.

Own Affairs:

Despatch/Uitenhage: development projects 23. Mr P J MÜLLER

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:†

Whether his Department intends to launch any development projects in the (a) Despatch and

  1. (b) Uitenhage area in the current financial year; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant particulars, in each case?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (a) No.
    The Department does not envisage to launch any development projects itself but has allocated funds for the installation of 222 water meters, electricity connections for 72 dwellings, electricity network and connections at 154 dwellings and an amount of R772 000 for services.
  2. (b) No.
    Although the Department does not intend to launch any development projects itself, it has allocated an amount of R1 250 000,00 for sports facilities.
 Housing: publication of waiting lists 25. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether his Department intends publishing all housing waiting lists in all local newspapers; if not, why not; if so, when;
  2. (2) whether these lists are being made available for scrutiny by members of the public; if not, why not; if so, where in each case?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) No.
    All applications are regarded as confidential.
  2. (2) Falls away.
 Port Elizabeth area: value of projects for housinginfra-structural development 26. Mr C R REDCLIFFE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) What was the total value of projects for (a) housing and (b) infra-structural development in the Port Elizabeth area undertaken by his Department in respect of the 1985-86, 1986-87 and 1987-88 financial years, respectively;
  2. (2) whether at the end of each of these financial years any funds appropriated for (a) housing and (b) infra-structural development were unexpended; if so, what amounts in each case;
  3. (3) whether there is a shortage of housing units for Coloured persons in the Port Elizabeth municipal area; if so, (a) what is the extent of the shortage and (b) when is it anticipated that it will be eliminated?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) None. (a) and (b) falls away.
  2. (2) Falls away.
  3. (3)
    1. (a) Approximately ± 8 500 housing units.
    2. (b) The tempo at which the housing shortage can be eliminated is difficult to determine. The Department, the local authority and the Management Committee recently decided to establish a Development Committee so that the development of housing projects can be co-ordinated and accelerated. Tenders for the development of 497 erven in Bethelsdorp, Extension 31 will be invited in the second half of 1988.
 Riverlea Extension 2: proclamation as Coloured residential area 28. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether his Department has made any representations for Riverlea Extension 2 to be proclaimed as a Coloured residential area; if so, (a) when and (b) to whom;
  2. (2) whether negotiations in this regard are in progress; if not, why not; if so,
  3. (3) whether any recommendations have been submitted on this matter; if not, why not; if so, (a) what recommendations, (b) by whom and (c) to whom;
  4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) No.
    Riverlea Extension 2 has already been proclaimed a Coloured group area.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
  2. (2) Falls away.
  3. (3) No.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
    3. (c) Falls away.
  4. (4) No.
 Riverlea Extension 1: meeting on upgrading 29. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether he or his Department was informed of and/or received reports on a meeting held in February 1987 in the Riverlea Communith Hall on inter alia the upgrading of Riverlea Extension 1 ; if so,
  2. (2) whether, at this meeting, any undertakings were given to the residents of this area; if so, (a) what undertakings and (b) by whom;
  3. (3) whether any of these undertakings have been honoured; if so, which undertakings;
  4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) No.
  2. (2) Falls away.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
  3. (3) Falls away.
  4. (4) No.
 Riverlea: application for funds 30. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether the Johannesburg Coloured Management Committee has applied to his Department for funds for the Riverlea areas; if so, (a) what are the amounts involved and (b) (i) for which areas of Riverlea, and (ii) for what projects in each such area, are these amounts intended;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) R774 300,00
      R2 000 000,00
      R800 000,00
    2. (b)
      1. (i) Riverlea Extension 2
        Riverlea
        Riverlea
      2. (ii) Old Age Home Units
        Old Age Home Units
        Old Age Home Units.
  2. (2) No.
 Sports complex 31. Mr P J MÜLLER

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

Whether a sports complex is envisaged for (a) Boesmansriviermond, (b) Kenton On Sea, (c) Port Alfred, (d) Grahamstown, (e) Addo, (f) Hankey and (g) Kirkwood; if so, (i) when is it anticipated that building operations will (aa) commence and (bb) be completed, and (ii) what total amount has been allocated for this purpose, in each case?

 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (a) No.
  2. (b) No.
  3. (c) No.
  4. (d) No.
  5. (e) No.
  6. (f) No.
  7. (g) Yes — Negotiations for the purchase of land for a sports complex is in an advanced stage.
    1. (i)
      1. (aa)
        1. (a-f) Falls away.
        2. (g) Not known.
      2. (bb)
        1. (a-f) Falls away.
        2. (g) Not known.
    2. (ii) Not known.
 Housing projects: negotiations/decisions 34. Mr P J MÜLLER

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether any additional housing projects are envisaged by his Department for the (a) Boesmansriviermond, (b) Kenton On Sea, (c) Port Alfred, (d) Grahamstown, (e) Addo, (f) Hankey and (g) Kirkwood areas; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant particulars in each case;
  2. (2) whether any negotiations have taken place in this regard; if not, why not; if so, (a) what negotiations, and (b) with whom, in each case;
  3. (3) whether any decisions have been taken on the matter; if not, why not; if so, what decisions in each case;
  4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) No.
    1. (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f) and (g): Falls away.
  2. (2) No.
    1. (a) and (b): Falls away.
  3. (3) No.
  4. (4) No.
 Mrs J Sallie/Mr N Crowie: representations for rental relief. 38. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether certain persons, whose names have been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, made any representations to him or his Department for the implementation of rental relief formulae; if so, (a) on what dates, (b) what is the main content of these formulae, (c) what was the purport of the representations and (d) what are the names of the persons concerned;
  2. (2) whether any assistance was rendered to these persons; if not, why not; if so, what assistance;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) 21 October 1987.
      14 January 1988.
    2. (b) All cases of hardship will be investigated by the Department of Health Services and Welfare, for possible assistance.
    3. (c) The purport of the representations was the request for rental relief
    4. (d) Mrs J Sallie
      Mr N Crowie.
  2. (2) No.
    The new rentalinstalment formula cannot be applied as the dwellings were financed with the local authority’s own funds.
  3. (3) No.
 Eldorado Park Extension 9: rentals 39. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether any assistance in regard to rentals is available to residents of Eldorado Park Extension 9; if so, what assistance;
  2. (2) whether new rental formulae will be implemented in this residential area; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) No.
  2. (2) No.
    The new rentalinstalment formula cannot be applied as the dwellings were financed with the local authority’s own funds.
  3. (3) No.
 Central Johannesburg: resettlement of Coloureds 49. Mr T R GEORGE

asked the Minister of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether his Department has any official responsibility in regard to the resettlement of the Coloured population residing in the central areas of Johannesburg; if not, (a) why not and (b) what body is responsible for this matter; if so, to what extent;
  2. (2) whether any housing development is taking place in the Ennerdale area; if so,
  3. (3) whether it is the intention to resettle Coloured persons residing in the central areas of Johannesburg in Ennerdale; if so, (a) why and (b) when; if not, for what purpose is the Ennerdale area being developed;
  4. (4) whether the areas of (a) Westbury, (b) Newclare, (c) Bosmont, (d) Riverlea, (e) Coronationville and (f) Noordgesig are to be extended to accommodate Coloured persons; if not, why not; if so, (i) which of these areas and (ii) (aa) to what extent, and (bb) when, in each case?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, HOUSING AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) The Johannesburg City Council administers a project of 500 flats, which is financed by the Department and built for the relocation of the Coloured Community who resided in the central areas of Johannesburg. Relocation has been carried out in co-operation with the Administration: House of Assembly and the Johannesburg City Council.
  2. (2) Yes.
  3. (3) No.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) For housing.
  4. (4)
    1. (a) Westbury: No, vacant land unavailable.
    2. (b) Newclare: Yes.
    3. (c) Bosmont: No, vacant land unavailable.
    4. (d) Riverlea: K1 and K2 areas were investigated but due to the physical limitations of the areas, investigations ceased.
    5. (e) Coronationville: No, vacant land unavailable.
    6. (f) Noordgesig: No, vancant land unavailable. [3
      1. (i) Newclare: The buffer zone is presently being investigated by the Group Areas Board.
      2. (ii)
        1. (aa) Falls away.
        2. (bb) Falls away.