House of Assembly: Vol7 - TUESDAY 23 AUGUST 1988
†Indicates translated version.
For oral reply:
General Affairs:
Questions standing over from Tuesday, 28 June 1988:
— Constitutional Development and Planning.
[Reply standing over.]
asked the Minister for Administration and privatisation:
- (1) Whether he received any recommendations from the Commission for Administration in regard to occupational specific adjustments for educators; if so, what recommendations;
- (2) whether he has compared these recommendations with those made by the Committee on Education Structures and the Research Committee on Education Structures, as referred to in the reply of the Minister of National Education to Question No 12 on 14 June 1988; if not, why not; if so, what were the differences between the two sets of recommendations received;
- (3) whether he has reached a decision on the various recommendations submitted; if not, why not; if so, what decision;
- (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) No.
- (2), (3) and (4) Fall away.
New Questions:
asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:
- (1) Whether, with reference to the reply of the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning to Question No 6 on 14 June 1988, his Department has received any proposals in respect of the prevention and fighting of fires on Table Mountain from the Cape Peninsula Nature Area Management Committee; if so, (a) what propoals and (b) when;
- (2) whether any action has been taken in respect of these proposals; if not, why not; if so, (a) by whom, (b) when and (c) at what cost?
(1) Yes, on 26 May 1987, but as the proposals regarding the prevention and fighting of fires on Table Mountain amounted to executive actions in respect of which the responsibility has been assigned to the Administrator of the Cape of Good Hope on 1 December 1986, these proposals were referred to the said Administrator on 14 July 1987.
The rest of the question falls away.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No. 6 on 14 June 1988, any action has been taken by the Administrator as a result of proposals submitted to him by the Cape Peninsula Nature Area Management Committee; if not, why not; if so, (a) (i) what action, (ii) when and (iii) at what cost and (b) what was the purport of the proposals so submitted?
This matter vests in the Administrator of the Cape Province and he has furnished the following information:
Yes.
- (a)
- (i)
- (1) A member of the Cape Town Chamber of Commerce has been appointed to the Cape Peninsula Nature Area Management Committee.
- (2) A second private landowner has been appointed to the above committee.
- (3) A Footpath Plan has been formulated.
- (4) An environmental survey using satellite imagery has been initiated.
- (5) A working group of the above committee is investigating uniformity of regulations within the Cape Peninsula Nature Area.
- (6) Honorary Nature Conservation Officers have been and are continuously being appointed.
- (7) Financial assistance has been given to local authorities for major improvements to footpaths and control of invasive vegetation.
- (8) The SA Nature Foundation has been approached regarding the establishment of a trust fund for the area.
- (9) A code of outdoor behaviour has been formulated.
- (10) Management guidelines for the Cape Peninsula Nature Area have been formulated.
- (11) Improvements in fire control have been instituted as indicated in the reply to Question No. 6 on 14 June 1988.
- (ii) During 1987 and 1988.
- (iii) R319 999,82.
- (i)
- (b) Improved law enforcement; a more representative management committee; public usage and education; improved fire control; scientific surveys; funding and management guidelines.
asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
Whether any teachers or principals at schools falling under his Department in (a) the Cape Peninsula and (b) other specified places in South Africa have been required to sign a declaration in relation to the Protection of Information Act, No 84 of 1982, a copy of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, (i) how many, (ii) which teachers or categories of teachers, (iii) since when has this been required and (iv) why?
- (a) No.
- (b) Yes, Orange Free Sate Region.
- (i) Five (5).
- (ii) Principals
- (iii) It is not normal practice to expect teaching personnel to make these declarations.
- (iv) Due to the fact that the five principals would have attended meetings on which subjects of a confidential nature would have been discussed, the Regional Director concerned considered it necessary for them to sign the declarations.
Mr Chairman, arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him what the nature of these meetings was? Were these joint management centre meetings? I do not want to know the details of what was discussed at those meetings but I want to know what the nature of these meetings was which these principals were required to attend.
Mr Chairman, I made it quite clear that these meetings were of a confidential nature.
asked the Minister of Public Works and Land Affairs:
Whether the premises at King’s House, Durban, were used for (a) official and (b) unofficial purposes during the past two years; if so, what are the relevant details?
- (a) No.
- (b) No.
asked the Minister of Public Works and Land Affairs:
Whether the premises at Umdoni Park were used for (a) official and (b) unofficial purposes during the past two years; if so, what are the relevant details?
The premises at Umdoni Park (also known as Botha House) are under the control of the Umdoni Park Trust and in terms of clause 5(i) of the trust deed of 1920, Botha House must be held for the use of Annie Botha, widow of late Louis Botha, the Prime Minister at that stage. The trust deed further stipulates that at her death it must be held for the use of the Prime Minister for the time being and his successors in office for ever.
At present the house is used by the State President and, with the consent of the trustees, as a recreation facility by his nominees. During the past two years the house was used by dignitaries on twelve occasions.
asked the Minister of National Education:
- (1) Whether he or his Department has taken or intends taking any further steps in regard to the proposed Certification Council for Teachers’ Training Bill [B 17—86 (GA)]; if not, why not; if so. what steps;
- (2) whether he intends to establish a certification council for teachers’ training; if not, why not; if so, by what means;
- (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) Yes. I have initiated a new round of discussions with certain interested bodies and I intend to take up the matter again with all interested parties.
- (2) Yes. By means of legislation as soon as a satisfactory degree of consensus has been reached.
- (3) No.
asked the Minister of National Education:
- (1) Whether he will lay upon the Table of the House the formula for the financing of education; if so, what are the relevant details; if not, why not;
- (2) whether in any previous financial years this formula was used, in full or in part, for the allocation of funds to education departments; if so, in which financial years; if not, what procedure has been followed since September 1984 for the allocation of funds to education departments;
- (3) whether he is obliged to make publicly available any general policy for education that has been determined; if so, in terms of what statutory provisions;
- (4) whether the formula for the financing of college/school education is such a general policy; if so, when was it made publicly available;
- (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) Yes. Although these financing formulae have already been drafted, no general policy has been tabled yet under section 2(1)(a) of the National Policy for General Education Affairs Act, 1984 (Act No. 76 of 1984), as certain interested parties still have to be consulted. The formulae together with a strategy for their implementation will be announced as soon as general policy has been determined.
- (2) Yes. These formulae have been used as a frame of reference for the allocation of funds to education departments for 1987/88 and 1988/89.
- (3) Yes. Section 2(2A) of the National Policy for General Education Affairs Act, 1984 (Act No. 76 of 1984).
- (4) No. General policy regarding the financing of college and school education has not been determined yet.
- (5) No.
Mr Chairman, arising from the reply of the hon the Minister, may I ask him whether, in view of the fact that this formula has, in part, been used for the past two budgetary years, he does not consider himself under an obligation to lay the formula upon the Table?
Mr Chairman, I made it quite clear that the formula has been used as a framework within which allocations are made. It has not yet been determined as general policy. I have made some progress with regard to the negotiation process. I have negotiated with all Ministers involved in education and I have obviously also had consultations with the hon the Minister of Finance. I have his agreement in principle but only on its finalisation as general education policy can and will the formula be made public. Until such time, while I am still engaged in the negotiation process, amendments to the formula may be effected.
Mr Chairman, arising further from the hon the Minister’s reply, could he give us an indication as to when this formula will be finalised?
Mr Chairman, I am trying to finalise it as soon as possible. In the meantime, by using it as a framework, we are gaining invaluable experience with regard to the empirical implementation of this formula. It is not easy to determine such a formula because in the final analysis such a formula must be capable of accommodating all the needs of all the population groups in a meaningful, just and equitable manner. At this stage we are once again looking at certain aspects which are causing problems in practice.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
- (1) Whether he, his Department or any provincial administration has received any representations for the removal of Group Areas Act restrictions on shopping centres which are not contiguous to central business districts; if so, (a) from what bodies or persons and (b) what was the (i) gist of these representations and (ii) response thereto;
- (2) whether shopping centres and central business districts are dealt with in the same manner for purposes of deproclamation; if not, why not;
- (3) whether his Department or any provincial administration has granted free trading status to any shopping centre areas; if not, why not;
- (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) Yes.
- (a) From local authorities nd private bodies.
- (b)
- (i) Representations for the proclamation of shopping centres which are aimed at regional and local needs as free trading areas.
- (ii) Subject to certain criteria, the requests are advertised for investigation by the Group Areas Board. It is, however, government policy that only central business areas and regional shopping centres, which serve the shopping public on a regional basis, be declared as free trading areas.
- (2) No, see reply 1(b)(ii) above.
- (3) Yes.
Free trading status has already been granted to central business areas and regional shopping centres in 72 cities and towns. - (4) No.
asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:
- (1) (a) Who drafted the text of the advertisement encouraging people to register for the October municipal elections and which appeared in certain newspapers on 21 June 1988, (b) what was the total cost of the advertisement, (c) from what account was the advertisement financed, (d) in which publications did it appear and (e) what was the purpose of placing the advertisement;
- (2) whether all information contained in the advertisement was correct; if not, (a) why not and (b) what errors did it contain;
- (3) whether any broadcast media were informed of the advertisement; if so, (a) which media and (b) when?
- (1)
- (a) An advertising agency, but the final responsibility of course rests with the Bureau for Information.
- (b) R34 916,70.
- (c) Advertising budget — Bureau for Information.
- (d) Transvaal: Sowetan, Vaderland, Transvaler, The Star, Pretoria News, Citizen, Beeld.
Natal: Daily News.
OFS: Die Volksblad. - (e) To inform the public about registering for the municipal elections.
- (2) Yes, regarding the area to which it was targetted, at the time of going to press.
- (a) Not applicable.
- (b) Not applicable.
- (3) Yes.
- (a) SABC.
- (b) 9 June 1988.
Mr Chairman, arising out of the reply of the hon the Minister, he mentioned in answer to paragraph (2) that the information was correct. Could he tell us why he then had to issue a subsequent advertisement correcting the errors in the original advertisement?
Mr Chairman, there were one or two facets concerning which the information changed between the going to press of the first advertisement and the publication of the second advertisement.
Mr Chairman, on a point of order: I believe that the hon the Minister is not giving us correct information.
Order! Be that as it may, it is not for us to decide at this stage. That is a matter for debate.
Mr Chairman, further arising from his reply, could he tell us on what date the information changed if the advertisement first appeared on 21 June and then subsequent advertisements appeared a week or ten days later?
Admit you were wrong. Be a man!
Mr Chairman, I have the information somewhere and if the hon member would table his question, I shall reply to it.
Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, I should like to ask whether, apart from the cost of the advertisements, his department or any other State department is considering bearing any other direct or indirect expenses of candidates in the election?
Mr Chairman, I can reply only in respect of the department for which I am responsible, and the answer to that is no.
Mr Chairman, further arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, if the information contained in the advertisement — as the hon the Minister said in a Press statement sometime towards the end of June — applied to the Transvaal, could he tell us why he placed advertisements in newspapers in the OFS and in Natal?
Mr Chairman, if the hon member would care to examine them, he will find that the advertisements which appeared in the other provinces contained different information.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
- (1) Whether any single-quarter hostels in Langa, Nyanga and Guguletu are still being used; if so, (a) how many in total and (b) where are they situated;
- (2) whether these hostels are to be converted into family units; if so, when; if not, why not;
- (3) in respect of what date is the above information furnished?
This matter vests in the Administrator of the Cape Province and he furnished the following information:
- (1) Yes.
- (a) 707 — Units.
- (b) Langa — 513 Units Nyanga — 122 Units Guguletu — 72 Units.
- (2) No policy decision has been taken by the Town Committees.
- (3) 29 June 1988.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
- (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 29 on 6 May 1986, any singlequarter hostels in Langa, Nyanga and Guguletu have been converted into family units; if not, why not; if so, (a) how many (i) single-quarter units have been converted and (ii) family units have been created and (b) where are they situated;
- (2) whether the policy of his Department regarding the construction and utilization of single-quarter hostel accommodation has changed since his reply to the above-mentioned question; if so, (a) when, (b) why and (c) what is the present policy regarding the provision of family accommodation;
- (3) in respect of what date is the above information furnished?
This matter vests in the Administrator of the Cape Province and he furnished the following information:
- (1) No — To date no policy resolution has been made by the Town Committee.
- (a) (i) and (ii) Fall away.
- (b) Falls away.
- (2) Yes.
- (a) Since the abolition of influx control.
- (b) As a result of the fact that families may now be accommodated there.
- (c) The policy of the Town Committee is to convert all single quarters into family units as and when funds are available.
- (3) 29 June 1988.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
Whether he or the Deputy Minister for his Department received any objections to the development of a property in Clairvaux Road, Kalk Bay; if so, (a) from whom were the objections received, (b) what was the natue of the objections and (c) what was his réponse thereto in each case?
(a), (b) and (c)
An objection was received regarding the possible possession of the property by a Coloured person. This objection was referred to the Administrator of The Cape Province for the consideration of an application for a permit in terms of the Group Areas Act, 1966. I am not prepared to disclose the name of the objector without his permission.
Own Affairs:
asked the Minister of Education and Culture:
- (1) Whether college/school educators received or will receive an increase in remuneration in the 1988-89 financial year; if not, why not; if so, (a) with effect from what date, (b) what was or will be the extent of the increase and (c) what is or will be the cost of this increase to his Department;
- (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) (a) and (b) This is a matter for the Department of National Education, (c) information is not currently available;
- (2) no.
asked the Minister of Education and Culture:
- (1) Whether any cuts have been made in the budgets of universities falling under his Department in respect of the 1988-89 financial year; if so, what cuts;
- (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) Yes,
universities received between 71%and 82%of the amount set as the ideal by the subsidy formula; - (2) no.
Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, I want to ask him whether he would make available the information with regard to the particular universities which fall under his control as to their subsidy cuts in the previous year.
Mr Chairman, it is up to the universities themselves to decide on that.
asked the Minister of Education and Culture:
- (1) Whether he or his Department has determined a policy regarding the possible privatisation of such existing state schools as wish to become privatised; if not, why not; if so, (a) what is this policy and (b) (i) when and (ii) by whom was it determined;
- (2) whether he or his Department has given any consideration to a changed basis for the financing of state schools electing to be privatised; if not, why not; if so, (a) what changes are being considered and (b) who has been consulted on this matter;
- (3) whether he has made any statements on the subject of the privatisation of schools; if so, (a) what was the content of these statements and (b) when were they made;
- (4) whether he or his Department has received any representations from any schools and/or bodies in connection with the privatisation of existing state schools; if so, (a) what are the names of the schools and/or bodies involved and (b) what was the outcome of these representations;
- (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) No, since it has not been considered necessary;
- (a) and (b) fall away;
- (2) no, see (1) above,
- (a) and (b) fall away;
- (3) no,
- (a) and (b) fall away;
- (4) yes,
- (a) British Petroleum,
- (b) the request was not granted;
- (5) no.
For written reply:
General Affairs:
asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:
Whether the Bureau for Information has contributed to advertisements appearing in the press under the name of a certain advisory committee on labour matters, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, (a) what is the name of this committee, (b) in what (i) newspapers and (ii) other publications did these advertisements appear, (c) (i) how many times and (ii) on what dates did the advertisements appear in each such publication and (d) what was the total cost involved?
The Bureau for Information has no knowledge of this matter.
asked the Minister of Defence:
Whether the South African Defence Force is involved, directly or indirectly, in the (a) financing and/or (b) purchasing of publications put out by a certain organization, the name and local address of which have been furnished to the Defence Force for the purpose of the Minister’s reply; if so, (i) what (aa) is the name of this organization and (bb) are the names of the publications concerned and (ii) what total amount is involved?
- (a) and (b) The honourable member is referred to the reply to question 2 in this House on 3 May 1988. (i) and (ii) fall away.
asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
How many (a) mathematics, (b) biology, (c) chemistry and (d) physics teachers at (i) primary, (ii) secondary and (iii) high schools falling under his Department in the Orange Free State were in possession of (aa) university degrees, (bb) junior teaching diplomas, (cc) matriculation certificates, (dd) junior certificates and (ee) other specified qualifications in 1986 and 1987, respectively?
(a) |
(b) |
(c) |
(d) |
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1986 |
1987 |
1986 |
1987 |
1986 |
1987 |
1986 |
1987 |
|
(i) |
Not available |
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(ii) |
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(aa) |
21 |
22 |
13 |
13 |
8 |
11 |
Included at (c) |
|
(bb) |
302 |
342 |
146 |
186 |
75 |
78 |
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(cc) |
288 |
324 |
153 |
200 |
78 |
81 |
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(dd) |
61 |
58 |
16 |
8 |
9 |
5 |
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(ee) |
NTC |
1 |
7 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
|
Std 6 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
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(iii) |
Teachers included in secondary schools |
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asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
- (1) How many (a) primary, (b) secondary and (c) high schools falling under his Department were there in the Orange Free Stale in 1986 and 1987, respectively;
- (2) how many (a) primary, (b) secondary and (c) high schools in this province had (i) laboratories, (ii) libraries and (iii) sports facilities in each of these years?
(1) |
1986 |
1987 |
(a) |
2 541 |
2 592 |
(b) |
49 |
52 |
(c) |
Included in secondary schools |
|
(2) |
1986 |
1987 |
(i) (a) |
4 |
6 |
(b) |
43 |
44 |
(c) Included in secondary schools |
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(ii) (a) |
34 |
38 |
(b) |
41 |
42 |
(c) |
Included in secondary schools |
|
(iii) (a) |
Not available |
|
(b) |
Not available |
|
(c) |
Not available. |
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asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
- (1) How many Black teachers were employed by his Department in (a) primary, (b) secondary and (c) high schools in the Orange Free State in 1986 and 1987, respectively;
- (2) how many Black teachers employed by his Department in this province in (a) primary, (b) secondary and (c) high schools were in possession of (i) university degrees, (ii) teaching diplomas, (iii) matriculation certificates, (iv) junior certificates and (v) other specified qualifications in each of the above years?
(1) |
1986 |
1987 |
(a) |
7 726 |
8 059 |
(b) |
1 614 |
1 850 |
(c) |
Teachers included in secondary schools |
|
(2) (a) |
(i) |
(ii) |
(iii) |
(iv) |
(v) NTC |
Std 6 |
|
1986: |
4 |
5 678 |
1 512 |
5 222 |
7 |
985 |
|
1987: |
0 |
5 802 |
2 031 |
5 082 |
2 |
944 |
|
(b) |
(i) |
(ii) |
(iii) |
(iv) |
(v) NTC |
Std 6 |
|
1986: |
116 |
1 430 |
1 395 |
198 |
10 |
11 |
|
1987: |
122 |
1 719 |
1 720 |
122 |
7 |
1 |
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(c) |
Teachers included in secondary schools. |
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asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
(a) How many Blacks in the Orange Free State (i) entered for an (ii) wrote the National Senior Certificate examinations in 1986 and 1987, respectively, and (b) how many of these entrants (i) passed, (ii) failed and (iii) obtained matriculation exemption in each of these years?
(a) (i) |
1986 |
1987 |
Not available |
5 785 |
|
(ii) |
4 214 |
5 764 |
(b)(i) |
1 711 |
3 025 |
(ii) |
2 503 |
2 739 |
(iii) |
388 |
797 |
asked the Minister of Justice:
Whether he intends introducing legislation to de-legalize polygamy in South Africa; if so, when; if not, why not?
In its report after its investigation into marriages and customary unions of Black persons the South African Law Commission recommended inter alia that the customary marriage be recognised as a valid marriage despite its polygamous nature, provided that the monogamous nature of the common law marriage is not affected. The Commission was of the opinion that it will be far better to allow polygamy to fall into desuetude than to try and prohibit it by force of law. The Commission’s report was Tabled in Parliament on 27 July 1987.
This proposal, as well as the Commission’s other recommendations, relating to customary marriages should be seen as no more than tentative proposals since consultation with the independent and National States is necessary in order to strive for uniformity in the field of family law among the several legislatures in Southern Africa. I consequently requested the Law Commission early this year to consult with these States and I understand that officials of the Commission have already initiated discussions.
In the light of the afore-going I can therefore inform the Honourable Member that, pending the Law Commission’s final proposals in this regard, I cannot take any decision at this stage.
asked the Minister of National Education:
Whether his Department keeps statistics on crimes of violence committed at universities in South Africa; if not, why not; if so, how many such crimes of each type were committed at each South African university during each of the latest specified five years for which statistics are available?
No. The department only keeps statistics required for the formulation of general policy. Statistics on crimes of violence are not required in this regard.
asked the Minister of National Education:†
What percentage of the total increase in expenditure on education for all race groups in the Republic, compared with the figures for the 1987-88 financial year, is to be spent on (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Black education in the 1988-89 financial year?
Percentage of the total increase in expenditure on education in the Republic for 1988/89 to be spent on:
(a) |
Whites |
34,2% |
(b) |
Coloureds |
10,2% |
(c) |
Indians |
4,3% |
(d) |
Blacks |
51,3% |
These percentages do not include the effect of funds provided on the Budget Vote: Improvement of Conditions of Service for 1988/89 and which still have to be finally allocated. These figures are furthermore related to a number of factors such as fluctuations in the student numbers at universities and technikons and the number of pupils in schools, as well as the nature of population migrations.