House of Assembly: Vol7 - TUESDAY 7 JUNE 1988

TUESDAY, 7 JUNE 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For oral reply :

General Affairs:

Questions standing over from Tuesday, 24 May 1988:

Commission of Inquiry into Tax Structure of RSA: recommendation *25. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Finance:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 30 on 8 March 1988, his Department is considering the recommendation of the Commission of Inquiry into the Tax Structure of the Republic of South Africa regarding the deductibility of expenditure incurred by taxpayers at school level in the form of donations to certain special educational funds; if not, why not; if so, when is it anticipated that departmental consideration of this matter will be finalized;
  2. (2) whether his Department is considering extending the deductibility of payments made in respect of secondary and primary education from the limitation regarding “certain special educational funds” to normal voluntary school fees, State-imposed tuition fees and fees to private schools; if not, why not; if so, when is it anticipated that the policy on such payments will be finalized?
The MINISTER OF FINANCE:
  1. (1) The question of extending the benefit of the section 18A income tax deduction to donations to primary schools is receiving attention and will be finalized as soon as all interested parties have been consulted.
  2. (2) My Department is not considering extending the deductibility of payments made for normal educational purposes for the reasons set out in paragraph 1 of my reply on 30 March 1988.

New Questions:

*1. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

— Law and Order. [Reply standing over.]

Diplomatic vehicles: number-plate system *2. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

  1. (1) What is the vehicle number-plate system used in the Republic for diplomatic vehicles;
  2. (2) whether the United States of America uses a different number-plate system for diplomatic vehicles; if so, what system is used there;
  3. (3) whether this system applies equally to all countries maintaining diplomatic relations with the United States;
  4. (4) whether diplomatic vehicles used there by members of the South African diplomatic corps are identifiable by the letters and digits on their number-plates; if so,
  5. (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Diplomatic status vehicles are registered by the use of the letters DIP, followed by three numbers, not particularly to any country, followed by the letter D, for example, DIP 555 D.

    Consular status vehicles are registered by the use of the letters FCC, followed by three numbers, not particularly to any country, followed by the letter D, for example, FCC 555 D.

    The vehicles of the Secretariat for Multilateral Co-operation in Southern Africa are registered by the use of the letters SEC, followed by three numbers followed by the letter D, for example SEC 555 D.

  2. (2) Yes, in the United States of America diplomatic status vehicles are registered by the use of the letter D followed by two letters, which are particular to the relevant country, followed by three numbers, denoting, in numerical order, the private and official vehicles of the Mission concerned and of its officials. In the case of administrative status vehicles, the letter S replaces the letter D.
  3. (3) Yes.
  4. (4) Yes.
  5. (5) No.
Dr Wolfram Kistner: citizenship/permanent residence *3. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Home Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, has citizenship of the Republic of South Africa; if so, for how long has he been a citizen of the Republic; if not,
  2. (2) whether permanent residence has been granted to this person; if so, (a) for how long has he lived in the Republic on this basis and (b) what are the relevant dates; if not, what is the status of this person;
  3. (3) what is the name of the person in question?
†The MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS:

(1) to (3) The person in question is Dr Wolfram Kistner. He is a South African citizen by birth.

Song: Together we will build a brighter future *4. Dr P W A MULDER

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:†

Whether an official contract has been entered into between the Bureau for Information and an agency in respect of the song “Together we’ll build a brighter future”; if so, (a) what agency, (b) when, (c) (i) who signed the contract on behalf of the State and (ii) to which State Department was this person attached at that time and (d) who authorized this person to sign the contract?

The MINISTER OF INFORMATION, BROADCASTING SERVICES AND THE FILM INDUSTRY:

No.

The transaction took place by way of an exchange of letters and the expenditure was approved by the Tender Board.

Howick: murder of three persons *5. Mr P C CRONJÉ

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether, since his reply to Question No 9 on 24 September 1987, any (a) arrests have been made and (b) charges have been laid in connection with the alleged abduction and murder near Howick on or about 6 December 1986 of three persons, whose names have been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply; if so, (i) (aa) who was arrested and charged, and (bb) when, in each case and (ii) what are the names of the three persons in question;
  2. (2) whether any further steps have been taken in respect of those so arrested and charged; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is it anticipated that such steps will be taken; if so, what was the outcome?
†The DEPUTY MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) and (2)

No, but warrants for the arrest of a number of persons were issued. The special team investigating the cases is making every possible endeavour to trace and arrest them.

Botshabelo: population/schools *6. Mrs H SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

(a) What is the (i) size in hectares and (ii) total population of the township of Botshabelo, (b) how many (i) primary, (ii) higher primary and (iii) secondary schools are there in this township, (c) how many (i) pupils and (ii) teachers are there at each of these schools and (d) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID (Reply laid upon the table with leave of House):
  1. (a) (i) 12 000 hectares
    1. (ii) 450 000
  2. (b) (i) 39
    1. (ii) 0
    2. (iii) 7

NOTE: Since the compilation of above-mentioned official statistics on 3 March 1987, the Ntumediseng Secondary School started functioning in Augus 1987 and the following schools at the beginning of 1988:

Mabela Public school

Mmulakgoro Public school

Monokotshwai Public school

Nthapelleng Public school Sebabatso Public school

Selokisa Public school

Lefikeng Secondary school

(c)

(i)

(ii)

(i)

Amohelang primary

767

21

Batjha primary

1 376

32

Bolokehang primary

1 423

33

Bothoba-Pelo primary

637

19

Dibengsatsebo primary

1 105

30

Ditholwane primary

878

21

Fadimehang primary

690

21

Hohle primary

1 265

27

Katamelo primary

1 080

24

Lebelo primary

773

21

Lerole primary

1 013

23

Leshome primary

785

17

Mahlohonolo primary

653

18

Makgulo primary

889

21

Mmusapelo primary

837

18

Mpolokeng primary

912

22

Ntateleng primary

989

24

Ntebaleng primary

1 195

25

Ntediseng primary

2 046

46

Nthabeleng primary

689

17

Phallang primary

843

21

Phano primary

901

21

Pontsheng primary

1 550

34

Qelo primary

919

21

Rankwe primary

726

21

Roahang primary

768

21

Reentseng primary

1 380

31

Refihlile primary

756

21

Retsamaile primary

1 347

34

Sankatane primary

777

22

Semomotela primary

912

25

Senakangwedi primary

1 241

25

Seroki primary

1 032

25

Setjhaba se Maketse primary

637

16

Thabo primary

470

12

Thari ya Tshepe primary

543

17

Thato primary

964

19

Thatohatsi primary

929

22

Tlotlisang primary

930

21

(ii)

Falls away

(iii)

Hlonamang secondary

1 243

30

Kgauho secondary

833

23

Kgorathuto secondary

1 279

29

Ntemoseng secondary

1 630

37

Popano secondary

968

23

Reamohetse secondary

815

22

Seemahale secondary

886

24

(d)

31

March 1987

Botshabelo/Onverwacht: development *7. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) (a) What is the (i) de facto and (ii) de jure population of Onverwacht, now known as Botshabelo, and (b) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  2. (2) (a) (i) how many housing units have been built in Botshabelo to date and (ii) how many persons are still waiting for houses and (b) how many tents are currently being used to shelter those waiting for houses;
  3. (3) (a) how many houses are provided with (i) electricity, (ii) a water-borne sewerage system, (iii) water and (iv) facilities for telephones and (b) what provision has been made to provide those persons currently living in tents with (i) toilets, (ii) water and (iii) fuel;
  4. (4) (a) what (i) sport and (ii) recreational facilities are available in Botshabelo at present and (b) how many (i) shops and (ii) (aa) occupied and (bb) unoccupied industrial sites are there in this area;
  5. (5) (a) (i) what public transport services are currently available to persons living in Botshabelo and (ii) to what percentage does the State subsidize each of these services and (b) (i) how many kilometres of road are there in this area and (ii) how many of these are tarred?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID (Reply laid upon the table with leave of the House):
  1. (1)
    1. (a) (i) and (ii) 400 000 — figure is estimated.
    2. (b) 29 April 1988.
  2. (2)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 11 150 houses and 18 650 informal structures.
      2. (ii) 3 658 on existing official waiting list.
    2. (b) 200.
  3. (3)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 901.
      2. (ii) 619.
      3. (iii) 915.
      4. (iv) 33.
    2. (b)
      1. (i) All stands have toilets.
      2. (ii) Water taps (standpipes) in streets.
      3. (iii) None. Available at local private entrepreneurs.
  4. (4)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) A soccer stadium with 20 000 seats,
        4 netball courts,
        4 soccer fields covered with grass and
        20 practice soccer fields.
      2. (ii) None.
    2. (b)
      1. (i) 85 formal and 657 informal shops.
      2. (ii)
        1. (aa) 118.
        2. (bb) 68 are being developed.
  5. (5)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) 216 Licenced taxis.
        Jakaranda Busdiens (Intestate Bus Lines).
        Qwaqwa Busdiens.
        SA Transport Services.
      2. (ii) Jakaranda Busdiens is subsidized with 50% by the Department of Development Aid in regard to workers on trips within Botshabelo. Trips from Botshabelo to areas outside it are the responsibility of the Department of Transport which does not subsidize on a percentage basis but on a basis of affordability that varies in accordance to distance travelled, e.g.:
        1. (i) From Botshabelo to Bloemfontein by one route (65 km) for a 5-day ticket. Total R20,50. Subsidy R12,70.
        2. (ii) From Botshabelo to Bloemfontein by another route (82 km) for a 5-day ticket. Total R26,00. Subsidy R15,00.
          Qwaqwa Busdiens and the SA Transport Services do not transport workers but only one-waytraffic passengers and therefore no subsidies are being paid.
    2. (b)
      1. (i) 525 km
      2. (ii) 37,3 km.
Hazyview: accident involving Buffel *8. Prof N J J OLIVIER

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether a Buffel or any other military vehicle was involved in an accident in or near Hazyview in the Eastern Transvaal on or about 12 May 1988; if so,
  2. (2) whether any (a) members of the South African Defence Force and/or (b) other persons were killed or injured in this accident; if so, what are the relevant details;
  3. (3) whether a board of inquiry has been convened in regard to this incident; if not, why not; if so, (a) who is the chairman of the board and (b) when is it anticipated that the investigation into the matter will be completed?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER (for the Minister of Defence):
  1. (1) Yes
  2. (2) (a) Yes, one member was killed and three injured.
    1. (b) No.
  3. (3) Yes.
    1. (a) An officer of the Permanent Force.
    2. (b) The Board was completed on 24 May 1988.
Bisho/Jan Smuts Airport: traffic rights granted to airline *9. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether he has granted traffic rights to any airline to operate between Bisho and Jan Smuts Airport; if so, (a) when and (b) to which airline; if not, why not;
  2. (2) whether he has received any representations from any airline for rights to operate along such a route; if so, (a) when and (b) from what airline;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
†The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) During September 1987.
    2. (b) Ciskei International Airways Corporation.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) During September 1987.
    2. (b) Ciskei International Airways Corporation.
  3. (3) No.
Waterkloof Air Force Base: aircraft delayed on 8 March 1988 *10. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether any aircraft at Waterkloof Air Force Base were delayed on the morning of 8 March 1988; if so, (a) which aircraft, (b) who were the passengers and (c) why;
  2. (2) whether any complaints were made to the control tower at (a) Jan Smuts Airport and/or (b) Waterkloof Air Force Base as a result of this delay; if so, (i) by whom, (ii) what was the purport of the complaints and (iii) to whom were they made;
  3. (3) whether any official subsequently visited the control tower at Jan Smuts Airport in connection with this incident; if so, (a) why, (b) on whose instructions and (c) what is the name and/or rank of this official?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER (for the Minister of Defence):

(1) No, (2) and (3) fall away.

SAA: military supplies carried on passenger flights *11. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether the South African Airways carries any military supplies for the South African Defence Force on (a) international and (b) local passenger flights; if so,
  2. (2) whether any (a) ammunition, (b) rocket fuel, (c) other fuel, (d) hazardous material and (e) cargo conflicting with international regulations concerning passenger flights is carried on such flights; if so, why;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
†The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) (a) No.
    1. (b) Yes. Only occasional shipments comprising personal effects of military personnel, diplomatic mail and odd shipments of aircraft spares are transported. No other military supplies are transported.
  2. (2) (a), (b), (c) (d) and (e) No.
  3. (3) Yes. The conveyance of all cargo is performed strictly in accordance with the provisions as laid down in the International Air Transport Association (IATA) regulations regarding dangerous goods.
SAA: overloaded flights *12. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether he will furnish information on the cargo on the overloaded South African Airways flights referred to in his reply to Question No 8 on 17 May 1988; if not, why not; if so,
  2. (2) whether the cargo concerned was carried on behalf of the South African Defence Force?
The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Yes. In both cases it was normal revenue cargo.
  2. (2) No.

    The hon member again refers to overloaded flights. In this regard I wish to reiterate that the maximum load factor which applies to South African Airways’ aircraft is ten per cent below the manufacturer’s specifications. In both cases the cargo was within the limits of the manufacturer’s specifications and, therefore, there was never any danger to either passengers or aircraft.

SA Helderberg: inspection for possible fuel leaks *13. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 9 on 17 May 1988, the SA Helderberg was inspected at any time pursuant to any notification from the Boeing Commercial Aircraft Company in relation to possible fuel leaks in the cargo area; if so, when was the (a) notification received and (b) aircraft inspected?

†The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:

No. The notice was received on 18 April 1988 whilst the Helderberg had already crashed on 28 November 1987.

(a) and (b) Fall away.

Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, is he aware of the fact that SAA originally issued a denial that they had received the bulletin but said subsequently that they had received one and that the Helderberg had been inspected in terms of the bulletin? As the hon the Minister has denied the fact, perhaps he will answer this question?

The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, the hon member is trying to cast suspicion. What I want to do now is to invite the hon member to come along to Jan Smuts Airport where I will arrange that everything be shown him.

†Mr J J NIEMANN:

Then he will also have to apologize here.

Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Speaker, further arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, I want once again specifically to ask him whether he is aware that SAA issued a statement to the effect that the Helderberg had been inspected in terms of the bulletin?

The MINISTER:

Yes, Sir, I am aware of that. We receive bulletins of this nature from time to time and we undertake all the inspections in terms of those bulletins. I invite the hon member once again to come along and make an inspection. Why does he keep on trying to cast suspicion in this way?

Mr A FOURIE:

He is making like a chicken.

[Interjections.]

Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Further arising from the reply of the hon the Minister, he said that he is aware of the fact that SAA had stated that the Helderberg had been inspected in terms of a specific bulletin. In terms of his reply to the original question, he is now saying that it was not. Can he please explain the difference between these two replies?

The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, it all depends what was contained in the bulletin. There are hundreds of bulletins, but I cannot possibly remember them all. I say again that I invite the hon member to come along and make an inspection. What more does he want?

Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, is he not aware that a specific bulletin was referred to in my question, and that my question was asked in regard to that bulletin in particular?

The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, the hon member can come along and inspect the specific points on which his allegation is based. [Interjections.]

Mr P G SOAL:

Mr Speaker, on a point of order: is the hon member for Turffontein entitled to say that the hon member for Port Elizabeth Central is “chicken”? [Interjections.]

†Mr A FOURIE:

Mr Speaker, I meant it figuratively and not literally. [Interjections.]

Noordhoek squatters *14. Mr J J WALSH

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 8 on 16 February 1988, any of the Noordhoek squatters removed to Khayelitsha on or about 2 December 1987 have returned to Noordhoek; if so, (a) how many and (b) where in Noordhoek are they living at present;
  2. (2) whether arrangements for permanent housing for these squatters have now been concluded; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details;
  3. (3) whether any special arrangements have been made to monitor the situation; if so, (a) what are these arrangements, (b) what is the estimated cost involved and (c) who is responsible for carrying out these arrangements;

which persons could have been injured and the hall could have been damaged.

No complaints were received and further investigation into the matter is not being instituted.

Mr P G SOAL:

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether he will confirm that these were old-age pensions that were being paid out on that day?

area, East Griqualand: recommendations of Commission for Co-operation and Development *23. Mr R W HARDINGHAM

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether the Commission for Co-operation and Development has made any recommendations regarding the allocation of funds for the upgrading of the Pakkies area in East Griqualand; if so,
  2. (2) whether any funds have been allocated for this purpose; if so, (a) what amount and (b) when; if not, when is it proposed that funds will be allocated?
†The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1) The Commission for Co-operation and Development recommended that the Pakkies area (the farm Waterval 294 and the remaining portion of the Melkspruit 293) be upgraded, but no specific recommendations on the allocation of funds for the upgrading of the areas were made.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) R190 000,00
    2. (b) 1988/89 Bookyear.
Stellenbosch Commando: arms carried in Kaya Mandi Township *24. Mr J VAN ECK

asked the Minister of Defence:†

  1. (1) With reference to his reply to Question No 24 on 17 May 1988, what arms did the members of the Stellenbosch Commando have with them during the operation on 26 March 1988 in the Kaya Mandi Township in Stellenbosch;
  2. (2) whether members of this commando arrested any persons who were present in and around the hostels at the time of the operation; if so,
  3. (3) whether any members of this commando entered the hostels at any time during the operation; if so, (a) how many members, (b) for what reasons and (c) for how long?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER (for the Minister of Defence):
  1. (1) Personal weapons.
  2. (2) No.
  3. (3) No.
Kaya Mandi: raid *25. Mr J VAN ECK

asked the Minister of Law and Order:†

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to the reply of the Minister of Defence to Question No 24 on 17 May 1988, persons other than members of the South African Police made representations to the Police to carry out a raid on the hostels at Kaya Mandi, Stellenbosch, on 26 March 1988; if so,
  2. (2) whether he will make known the names of these persons; if not, why not; if so, who?
†The DEPUTY MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) I refer the hon member to the hon the Minister’s press statement of 26 April 1988 which I table.
  2. (2) No, because the identity of all complainants is regarded as confidential.
Restrictions imposed on certain person *26. Mr J VAN ECK

asked the Minister of Law and Order:†

  1. (1) Whether any restrictions have been imposed on a certain person, particulars of whom have been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply; if so, (a) on what date, (b) what restrictions and (c) what is the name of the person concerned;
  2. (2) whether any representations have been received for these restrictions to be relaxed; if so, (a) from whom, (b) on what dates and (c) what was the purport of the representations;
  3. (3) whether the Police have replied to these representations; if not, why not; if so, (a) when and (b) what was the purport of the reply?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) 24 February 1988.
    2. (b) The person was informed in writing of the restrictions that had been imposed on him. It is not in the interests of any other person to make known these restrictions.
    3. (c) The name furnished by the hon member.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) The person’s legal representative.
    2. (b) 2 March 1988.
    3. (c) That certain of the restrictions be totally or partially lifted on a permanent basis.
  3. (3) (a) 4 March 1988.
    1. (b) Additional information that was necessary for the consideration of the representations, was requested. This information was received on 15 March. On 19 March 1988 the legal representative was informed that the representations had been rejected, but it was pointed out to him that applications for the relaxation of such restrictions may be considered on an ad hoc basis.
†Mr J VAN ECK:

Mr Speaker, arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, in the light of the fact that the restrictions on this person, Mr Reggie Oliphant, have prevented him from carrying out his job as distributor of books to schools, can the hon the Deputy Minister tell us whether he will lift the restrictions, as they are affecting his income?

†The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, in the light of the reply I have furnished, certain representations were made by the legal representative of the person concerned. It was also indicated that certain representations could be considered on an ad hoc basis. To the best of my knowledge such representations were not made.

†Mr J VAN ECK:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, may I ask him whether, if the same reasons are given in the next representations, the hon the Deputy Minister will reconsider the matter?

The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, it is very clear that certain conditions were not acceptable , but that there is room for other acceptable representations.

†Mr J VAN ECK:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether, in the light of the fact that a person’s direct income is affected by this restriction because he may not leave the magisterial district of Oudtshoorn, this is not sufficient reason to change the restrictions?

Own Affairs:

Paarl Teachers’ College: petition *1. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:†

Whether he recently received a petition from residents of Paarl in connection with the closure of the Paarl Teachers’ College; if so, (a) when, (b) to whom was the petition originally submitted, (c) on behalf of how many people was it submitted and (d) what was (i) the purport of the petition and (ii) his response to it?

†The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

No,

(a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away.

†Mr A GERBER:

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, I want to know whether he took no notice at all of the petition in question. Secondly, I want to know whether he is aware of any other hon Minister in the Ministers’ Council having received such a petition.

†The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, I shall let my reply to the question as it was put suffice. I did in fact take note that a petition had been sent in.

Meetings at national monuments: permission refused *2. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:†

  1. (1) Whether any organizations were refused permission in 1986, 1987 and 1988 to hold meetings at national monuments falling under his Department; if so, (a) what organizations, (b) at which national monuments and (c) for what reasons;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) No,
    1. (a), (b) and (c) fall away;
  2. (2) no.
National monuments: meetings of cultural organizations *3. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:†

Whether the national monuments falling under his Department are available for meetings of cultural organizations applying for permission to hold such meetings; if not, why not; if so, what procedure has to be followed to obtain such permission?

†The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

Yes, depending on the availability of the facility concerned. Written applications must be submitted for consideration to the governing body which is concerned.

Dual/parallel-medium schools in Cape Province: pupils *4. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

How many (a) Afrikaans and (b) English-speaking pupils are there at dual and parallelmedium schools in the Cape Province?

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (a) 98 722
  2. (b) 35 315
Dual/parallel-medium schools in Cape Province: teachers *5. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

What total number of teachers at dual and parallel-medium schools in the Cape Province have (a) Afrikaans and (b) English as their home language?

†The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

Statistics are not available.

English dictionaries supplied to pupils *6. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

  1. (1) Whether English dictionaries are supplied free of charge to individual pupils at English-medium schools; if so, (a) to pupils in which standards, (b) since when and (c) what English dictionaries are supplied; if not, (i) why not and (ii) (aa) how many English dictionaries are supplied per school of 600 pupils and (bb) what access do pupils have to such dictionaries;
  2. (2) whether this policy is under review; if so, what steps are envisaged in this regard?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) No
    1. (a), (b) and (c) fall away;
      1. (i) because dictionaries, as other textbooks, are bought from the per capita grant of the school;
      2. (ii) (aa) the Department does not prescribe how many dictionaries must be bought, but schools are expected to have available a sufficient number of dictionaries in order to meet the pupils’ needs;
        1. (bb) pupils have free access to dictionaries in the classroom and also to more comprehensive sources in the media centre/library. Furthermore, pupils are encouraged to procure their own dictionaries;
  2. (2) no.
Mr R M BURROWS:

Mr Speaker. arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, I want to ask him whether he can indicate to us whether grants made available to schools for the purchase of textbooks include money for the purchase of dictionaries.

†The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, if the hon member had listened to the reply to the question, he would have heard that the department and schools themselves decide on what books they wish to purchase with the funds made available to them. They decide themselves what textbooks and, if there is money left over, what dictionaries etc, they wish to purchase.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Universities: enrolment of students 1043. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of National Education:

As at the latest specified date for which figures are available, how many (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Black students were enrolled at each South African university primarily established for a population group other than their own?

The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:

The most recent figures are for 1986 and appear in the attached table.

Numbers of enrolled students at South African Universities primarily established for a population group other than their own: 1986

1. Universities resorting under the Minister of Education and Culture: Ministers’ Council of the House of Assembly:

University

White

Coloured

Indian

Black

Cape Town

1 292

292

438

Natal

237

1 765

1 022

OFS

63

0

55

Port Elizabeth

232

26

48

Potchefstroom

30

7

90

Pretoria

5

9

11

RAU

134

6

57

Rhodes

142

169

453

Unisa

4 156

9 362

20 941

Stellenbosch

325

9

20

Witwatersrand

242

1 177

1 326

2. Universities resorting under the Minister of Education and Culture: Ministers’ Council of the House of Delegates:

University White Coloured Indian Black

University

White

Coloured

Indian

Black

Durban-Westville

219

150

436

3. Universities resorting under the Minister of Education and Culture: Ministers’ Council of the House of Representatives:

University White Coloured Indian Black

University

White

Coloured

Indian

Black

Western Cape

120

279

397

4. Universities resorting under the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

University

White

Coloured

Indian

Black

Medunsa

178

1

32

North

35

5

12

Zululand

16

1

7

Vista

15

81

3

SAA Boeing 747: overshooting runways 1058. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

Whether, since 1 January 1987, any South African Airways Boeing 747 aircraft have overshot any runways; if so, (a) on how many occasions, (b) (i) where and (ii) why in each case and (c) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:

Yes.

  1. (a) On three occasions.
  2. (b) (i) Twice in Johannesburg and once in Durban.
    1. (ii) Johannesburg: In the case of the first occurrence the commander decided to abort landing as a precautionary measure because another aircraft had not entirely cleared the runway at a critical stage of his approach and in the case of the second, owing to excessive wake turbulence left by an aircraft which had just taken off. Durban: Due to weather conditions.
  3. (c) 5 May 1988.
Jan Smuts/D F Malan airports: flight delays 1093. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:†

  1. (1) (a) What percentage of all domestic flights from Jan Smuts and D F Malan Airports have been delayed by (i) 1 to 30 minutes and (ii) more than 30 minutes since 1 January 1988 and (b) in respect of what date are these particulars furnished;
  2. (2) whether any measures have been taken to eliminate these delays; if not, why not; if so, (a) what measures and (b) when is it anticipated that the present delays will be eliminated as a result of these measures?
The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Jan Smuts: 24,2; D F Malan: 21 Delays of 10 minutes and less are not regarded as actual delays since the time of delay is made up during the flight and the destination can, therefore, be reached in accordance with the scheduled time of arrival.
      2. (ii) Jan Smuts: 9,5; D F Malan; 6,9
    2. (b) 30 April 1988
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) Flights are closed 15 minutes before scheduled departure.
      Connecting passengers are only accepted until 10 minutes before departure.
      Standby passengers, post and frieght are only accepted if the flight will not be delayed as a result thereof.
      Boeing 747 aircraft are used where possible.
      The new time timetable which was introduced on 13 March 1988 increased capacity by 13,38 per cent.
      A 737 aircraft of which the leasing period has expired has been added to the fleet.
    2. (b) For the two weeks ending 8 May 1988, 82,5 per cent of all flights were on time and every endeavour is being made to bring about further improvements.
South African Transport Services: debt 1117. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) What was the total long-term and/or short-term debt of the South African Transport Services as at the end of the (a) (i) 1982-83 and (ii) 1984-85 financial years and (b) latest specified financial year for which figures are available;
  2. (2) how much of this debt in each such financial year was attributable to foreign exchange losses?
The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) The Honourable Member’s attention is directed to the Report of the General Manager of the South African Transport Services for 1986-87, which was Tabled on 17 February 1988. Particulars of the debt of the South African Transport Services are contained therein.
  2. (2) None.
SATS: Public relations/advertising consultants 1136. Dr P W A MULDER

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:†

Whether any division or directorate of the South African Transport Services made use of external (a) public relations consultants, (b) public relations agencies, (c) advertising consultants and/or (d) advertising agencies in the 1987-88 financial year; if so, (i) for what projects, (ii) what total amount was spent on each project, (iii) what consultants and/or agencies were involved in each project and (iv) what procedure was followed in allocating these projects to agencies and/or consultants?

The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (a), (b) (c) and (d). Yes.
    1. (i) Advertisements, Consultation, Research, Publicity and Promotions.
    2. (ii) R15 654 916
    3. (iii) Lindsay Smithers — FCB (Pty) Ltd, Ogilvie and Mather Direct, The Agency, Foxton Communications, Co-ordinated Marketing, Effective Marketing Services (Pty) Ltd, Dempers, Leoka and Kevany, Johan Pfeiffer, EMS (Pty) Ltd and T.B. Consultants (Pty) ltd.
    4. (iv) Except in the case of Lindsay Smithers — FCB (Pty) Ltd who is Transport Services’ official publicity agency the normal tender procedure was followed in all other cases.

A division in respect of (ii) and (iii) is not readily available and it will take much time and expense to gather such information.

Temporary military bases 1137. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether he will furnish information on temporary military bases located within or in close proximity to unrest areas in the Black residential areas; if not, why not; if so, (a) how many such bases are there and (b) what was the total cost of operating and maintaining such bases during the latest specified 12-month period for which information is available;
  2. (2) whether the servicemen present in these bases are used to perform military duties only; if not, (a) why not and (b) what other duties do they perform?
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:
  1. (1) Yes
    1. (a) 14
    2. (b) 1 May 1987 until 30 April 1988: R5 754 846,52
  2. (2) Yes.
SADF: Training facilities in African territories 1162. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether the South African Defence Force extends training facilities to defence force members in any African territories; if so, (a) which territories are involved and (b) what was the cost thereof to the State during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available;
  2. (2) whether security force members of any African territories are being trained in South Africa; if so, what are the relevant details?
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:

(1) and (2) Yes. It is, however, not considered in the interest of the RSA and the other countries concerned to divulge any information in this regard.

Police reservists: leave facilities 1164. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether he will furnish information on the leave facilities available to police reservists in the employ of (a) a certain corporation, the name of which has been furnished to the South African Defence Force for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, (b) Armscor and (c) any other statutory and/or parastatal bodies falling under his control; if not, why not; if so,
  2. (2) whether any specific leave facilities are available to such police reservists; if not, why not; if so, what specific facilities in respect of each such body?
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:
  1. (1) (a), (b) and (c) Yes
  2. (2) No, because employees who perform duty as police reservists, do so on a voluntary after hours basis.
Christmas cards sent out 1255. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether (a) he, (b) the Department of Education and Training and/or (c) the Department of Development Aid sent out Christmas cards in 1987; if so, (i) what total number of cards was printed, (ii) to whom were they sent, (iii) what was the total cost of producing and distributing these cards, and (iv) who was responsible for printing them, in each case;
  2. (2) whether postage stamps were used to send out these Christmas cards; if not, how were they distributed?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1) (a) Yes.
    1. (b) Yes.
    2. (c) Yes
  2. (1) (a) and (c)
    1. (i) 2 350
    2. (ii) 1 382 cards were posted to dignitaries and to people from whom Christmas cards were received in an official capacity. The balance of the cards is being kept for future use.
    3. (iii) The producing cost amounted to R2 380,17. The distributing cost cannot be determined as it forms part of the total cost with which the Department is debited for by the Post Office for all post, sent by the Department.
    4. (iv) The Government Printer printed the Minister’s cards and envelopes. CompuPrint (Pty) Ltd printed the Director General: Development Aid’s cards and envelopes and Bowcor Investment Holdings printed cards and envelopes for the Department of Development Aid which were used by the two Deputy Directors-General.
  3. (1) (b)
    1. (i) 1 740
    2. (ii) Deputy Minister of Education and Director-General: Education and Training

      Cards were posted to dignitaries and to people from whom Christmas cards were received in an official capacity.

      Regional Director: Highveld and Regional Director: Johannesburg

      Circuit Office Staff, Architects who render services to the Region, Chief Directors in Head Office, Minister of Education and Development Aid, Deputy Minister of Education, Managing Directors of private companies having regular dealings with the Department, Director-General: Education and Training, Regional Directors of other regions, Members of the Joint Management Centre.

      Regional Director: Cape Region

      Circuit Office Staff, Directors and Chief Directors in Head office.

      Regional Director: Natal Region

      Circuit Office Staff, Principals of schools.

    3. (iii) The producing cost amounted to R1 756,48. The distributing cost cannot be determined as it forms part of the total cost with which the Department is debited for by the Post Office for all post, sent by the Department.
    4. (iv) Deputy Minister and Director-General: Education and Training

      The Government Printer printed the cards and envelopes.

      Regional Director: Highveld

      Donated by De Jager-HAUM

      Regional Director: Johannesburg

      Donated by De Jager-HAUM

      Regional Director: Cape

      Mr Wedding Card: Port Elizabeth

      Regional Director: Natal

      City Printing Works: Pietermaritzburg

  4. (2) No: The cards were distributed by means of official envelopes.
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Air-traffic controllers 9. Mr P C McKENZIE

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) What number of air-traffic controllers is required to comply with international standards of safety in respect of landing and take-off at the (a) Jan Smuts, (b) D F Malan, (c) H F Verwoerd, (d) Louis Botha, (e) Ben Schoeman, (f) J B M Hertzog, (g) B J Vorster and (h) J G Strijdom airports;
  2. (2) how many vacancies for (a) air-traffic controllers, (b) cadets and (c) fire-brigade officers were there at each of these airports as at the latest specified date for which figures are available;
  3. (3) whether the posts of (a) air-traffic controller, (b) cadet and (c) fire-brigade officer are graded; if so, what is the salary scale attached to each such grading?
The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) In the absence of specific international standards requirements are determined in accordance with local needs. Provision has therefore been made for the following number of Air Traffic Controllers in the RSA based on general international standards.
    1. (a) 38
    2. (b) 17
    3. (c) 7
    4. (d) 15
    5. (e) 4
    6. (f) 7
    7. (g) 3
    8. (h) This airport does not resort under the RSA’s Department of Transport.

(2)

(a)

Vacancies for Air Traffic Controllers as at 2 May 1988

Jan Smuts Airport

6

D F Malan Airport

2

H F Verwoerd Airport

0

Louis Botha Airport

0

Ben Schoeman Airport

0

J B M Hertzog Airport

0

B J Vorster Airport

1

(b)

7 of the 36 posts as at 2 May 1988. Cadet Air Traffic Controllers are only apportioned to a specific airport after completion of training.

(c)

Vacancies for Fireman as at 2 May 1988

Jan Smuts Airport

3

D F Malan Airport

0

H F Verwoerd Airport

3

Louis Botha Airport

1

Ben Schoeman Airport

1

J B M Hertzog Airport

1

B J Vorster Airport

2

  1. (3) (a), (b) and (c) I do not consider it to be in the interest of the persons concerned or in the public interest to furnish this information. I am, however, prepared to furnish the relevant information to the honourable member on a confidential and personal basis.
Public servants seconded to self-governing territories 13. Mr T ABRAHAMS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) (a) How many public servants have been seconded to each of the self-governing territories and (b) how many of them are (i) White and (ii) Black;
  2. (2) whether his Department has information on the total number of public servants employed by each self-governing territory; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant figures?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

(1)

(a)

KwaZulu

1 007

Lebowa

491

Gazankulu

334

Kangwane

300

Kwandebele

295

QwaQwa

166

(b)

(i) The above-mentioned figures include 176 Indians in respect of KwaZulu, 7 in respect of KaNgwane and 1 in respect of Lebowa.

(ii) Nil. Black officials are appointed by the self-governing territories themselves on their own establishment records. Secondment of officials from the RSA Public Service take place when no suitable Black officials are available or, otherwise, where training in the work situation has to be given.

(2)

Yes.

KwaZulu

54 420

Lebowa

38 060

Gazankulu

18 095

Kangwane

10 609

Kwandebele

6 648

QwaQwa

6 389

(1) and (2) These figures include CS-Educators.

HOUSE OF DELEGATES

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

Own Affairs:

Housing: sub-economic/economic 91. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Housing:

(a) What is the policy of his Department in regard to the provision of homes for Indian persons falling in the (i) sub-economic group and (ii) economic group and (b) what steps have been or are being taken in this regard?

The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (a) (i) and (ii) My Department follows the following policy in drder to supply adequate housing for both groups:
    • — the allocation of Housing Development Funds in the most effective way possible in order to ensure optimum access to people for housing;
    • — a sales campaign to alienate all saleable units to present tenants;
    • — encouragement of the participation of the private sector; and
    • — planning of housing projects to be carried out departmentally.
  2. (b)
    1. (i) Funds are being allocated to local authorities in order to enable it to satisfy the existing needs
    2. (ii) The sales campaign has been extended on numerous occasions in order to enable tenants to acquire the properties they occupy.
    3. (iii) Funds are being allocated to utility companies and land is being made available to development companies in order to enable it to participate in the supply of houses.
    4. (iv) Departmental projects are carried out from time to time.
Housing: units built/to be built 92. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Housng:

  1. (1) (a) How many housing units for Indian occupation were built in the Transvaal in 1987 and (b) what is the number to be built for members of this population group in this province in 1988;
  2. (2) whether there is a shortage of housing in the Transvaal; if so, (a) what was the estimated shortage of housing for Indian families in this province at the endof 1987 and (b) when is it expected that this shortage will be eliminated?
The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (1) (a) Units built with funds derived from the Housing Development Fund in the 1987/88 financial year are 369. Apart from the 340 units built by private developers in Lenasia Extension No 1, figures for other units built by the private sector are not readily available.
    1. (b) Units to be built with funds derived from the Housing Development Fund in the 1988/89 financial year are approximately 1 552. Information regarding the number of units to be built by the private sector is not readily available.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) 6 332 For the income group up to R1 000 per month. Figures for the income group over R1 000 per month are not available as no waiting list for this group is being kept at this stage.
    2. (b) Possibly within the next ten years.