I am in continuous contact with various people who hold responsible positions in South Africa. I am however not prepared to disclose the contents of confidential discussions.

The reply is no.

I refer the hon member to the reply of the Minister of Justice to question No 4 of 22 March 1988 and his subsequent replies. The Minister has a line function with regard to prisons.

As regards other ANC members or associates outside prisons, the answer is no.

Ministers:

Questions standing over from Tuesday, 14 June 1988:

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) The person whose name was furnished to the Department.
   2. (b) (i) and (ii) He was declared a State President’s patient by the Cape Provincial Division of the Supreme Court of South Africa on 20 October 1966 and an order for his detention was issued.
   3. (c) (i) Pretoria Prison complex.
      1. (ii) The circumstances under which he is held do not differ from that which applies to prisoners in general.
2. (2) (a), (b), (i) and (ii) and (c)
   

   Medical and psychiatric treatment is at his disposal. The professional independence of the medical practitioners who are responsible for his treatment as well as the mutual trust which exists between doctors and their patients are respected. It is therefore not in the interest of any of the parties involved to make public statements as to, for example, the nature and/ or the results of any treatment he receives.

3. (3) If the circumstances which had lead to the initial decision regarding his declaration as a State President’s patient should change and it would be indicated as feasible from a juridical point of view to initiate prosecutions there would be no hesitation in doing so.

1. (1) Yes
2. (2) (a) and (b) The written objection was included in the police case docket as part of the complainant’s statement. On 24 June 1986 the investigation officer handed this case docket to the State Prosecutor.

1. (1) and (2) The record of the proceedings concerned is a public document and is accessible to the hon member. I would like to draw the hon member’s attention to the fact that in terms of section 4 of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1977 (Act 51 of 1977) a public prosecutor, as representative of the attorney-general and subject to his control and directions, may institute and conduct on behalf of the State any prosecution in criminal proceedings. Should the hon member have any complaints regarding the conduct of the public prosecutor in the case concerned which are based on substantive facts, I shall take steps to ensure that the Attorney-general gives the necessary attention to the matter.

Mr Chairman, I have already said that if the hon member has any complaints based on concrete facts, I will give attention to them. I can, however, not give attention to questions which are merely suggestive, and so on. I am not prepared to express an opinion unless it is based on concrete facts.

Mr Chairman, the hon member is now fabricating his own hypothetical questions which he is using as replies and as follow-up questions. I am not prepared to reply further to them. If the hon member has a concrete complaint, I shall attend to it.

Questions standing over from Tuesday, 21 June 1988, pursuant to resolution adopted by House on Monday, 20 June 1988:

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) He was taken on a conducted tour of the township by the Mayor of Gompo Township, East London, and the visit to the school was incidental to the tour.
   2. (b) Minister J C Heunis.
2. (2) Yes. Nkosi Sikelel’ e Afrika.
   

   In the Transkei and Ciskei “Nkosi Sikelel’e Africa” is sung as a national anthem as is the case in several Black communities in South Africa.

Mr Chairman, I did not say that. I merely said that “Nkosi Sikelel’ e Afrika” is regarded by Blacks in many areas in our country as the national anthem and it is sung as such. Furthermore, I want to say that “Nkosi Sikelel’e Afrika” is a prayer that is sung, and if that hon member would go to the trouble of looking at the words of that song, he would understand that any South African can sing that song. [Interjections.]

In what they may and may not do members of the judiciary are bound by the laws of the land. If the hon member wishes to know what provisions of these laws are in respect of any particular situation, he should consult a lawyer.

While I am on my feet speaking, and in line with the hon member’s question, I wonder if he could tell us whether he is a member of The Sons of England?

Order† I am enjoying the light-hearted and friendly spirit, but I want to point out to hon members that we have quite a long Questions Paper and if hon members want replies to their questions, we shall have to go through it more quickly.

Order† I do not regard that as an appropriate question. [Interjections.]

1. (1) Yes, they must publish their fund-raising numbers.
2. (2) Yes
   1. (a) In terms of the Fund-raising Act, 1978, contributions collected may be used only for the objectives authorised by the Director of Fund-raising. Reasonable expenditure incurred to achieve such objectives is, however, allowed.
   2. (b) To achieve their objectives.
3. (3) Yes
   1. (a) (i) Audited financial statements must be submitted annually to the Director of Fund-raising for scrutiny.
      1. (ii) Sections 12(1) and (2) of the Fund-raising Act, 1978 (Act 107 of 1978).
   2. (b) National Health and Population Development.
4. (4) No; I am satisfied with the existing measures.

(for the Minister of Defence):

1. (1) Yes. The interview concerned the nature and the scope of the involvement of the South African Defence Force in Bophuthatswana on 10 February 1988.
2. (2) No.

1. (1) The hon member is referred to my reply in this House to oral question No 17 of 26 April 1988. The position as set out in that reply has remained unchanged.
2. (2) to (4) The official’s services have been provisionally suspended pending the outcome of any legal action which may be taken against him. The prosecution authorities are still considering the appropriate legal action to be taken against the official and no further details can be disclosed at this stage.

No.

(a) and (b) Fall away.

1. (1) No. The Cape Provincial Administration.
   1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
2. (2) Falls away.

(for the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning):

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) (i) A consortium of engineering geologists;
      1. (ii) Towards the end of 1987 and beginning of 1988;
   2. (b) The findings were that large parts of this area were underlain by dolomite, that the Zuurbekom Water Compartment is situated in this area and that parts of the area are undermined.
2. (2) Yes.
   1. (a) Randfontein Estates Gold Mining Company, Witwatersrand, Limited;
   2. (b) (i) The purport of the representation was that large areas of the land to the west of Soweto are unsuitable for urban development;
      1. (ii) As indicated in the announcement of 2 June 1988, specific areas for expansion will be determined, taking into account detail considerations such as the suitability of the land, mining activities, mineral deposits and the actual demand for expansion.

1. (1) Yes. The name furnished by the hon member.
2. (2) (a) and (b)(i) and (ii) Yes, departmental disciplinary action will be considered against the sergeant and all the members who were involved in the incident, as soon as the one outstanding criminal case has been finalised.

(a) to (e)

I wish to point out to the hon member that an excellent relationship of trust exists between the South African Police and the vast majority of the media.

On 6 June 1988 the commander of the Public Relations Division of the South African Police sent a confidential note by telex message through SAPA to all editors and news editors in which media regulations relating to the publication of certain information, was brought to their attention.

In view of an agreement between the South African Police and the Newspaper Press Union, as well as a meeting between these two parties which took place on 25 June 1987, it was decided to advise editors and news editors when it appeared necessary, with regard to reporting that could possibly constitute an offence of the media regulations. This step was welcomed by the media. This advice would, however, not be binding and the final decision to accept or ignore it, would still rest with the editors and news editors.

Up until now no complaints have been received from the media regarding this matter. However, it is regretted that a confidential matter between the South African Police and the media, which was intended to facilitate the task of the media, was apparently made known with malicious intent in order to involve it in petty politics.

1. (1)
   1. (a) (i) No, not the Government as such, but the Bureau for Information requested several agencies to submit proposals and as a result the McCann submission was accepted.
      1. (ii) 16/3/88
   2. (b) None
2. (2) (a) No
   1. (b) Yes
      1. (i) R4,8 million (round sum)
      2. (ii) Tender Board
3. (3) Whether or not the company concerned has international links has no relevance to the matter under discussion.
4. (4) Yes, but I do not believe that it is in the best interest of the other agencies to reveal their names.

Order† The hon member understood it correctly. That is the reply of the hon the Minister, and that is the end of the matter.

Order† No, the hon the Minister said on that point that in his opinion it was not relevant, and we cannot pursue the matter any further.

Mr Chairman, the company is a South African company but many of the companies do correspond with firms in one state or another…

… and I do not think their international links are relevant for the purposes of this question.

Mr Chairman, that aspect as well as certain other aspects concerning the implementation of the proposals of the company are still under consideration.

Order† If the hon the Minister is not willing to reply to any further supplementary questions, we shall proceed to the following question. The hon member for Johannesburg North’s question will be the last one.

Order† It does not matter how many questions the hon member has counted. When the Chair decides enough questions have been put, it can bar hon members from putting any more questions.

Order† I have decided to allow the hon member to put his question, which will definitely be the final supplementary question relating to the reply to this particular question.

Mr Chairman, the answer to both questions is yes.

Order† I just want to point out to the hon member for Johannesburg North that he should perhaps recount the number of supplementary questions asked arising from the reply to Question 11. He might conclude there have actually been five.

As the appeal on this case will be heard on 28 October 1988, I regard the matter as sub-judice.

1. (1) Annex V to the International Convention for the Prevention of Pollution from Ships, 1973, shall enter into force on 31 December 1988.
2. (2) The desirability for the Republic to accede to Annex V is still being investigated by the Department of Transport. No opinion can consequently be expressed at this stage.
3. (3) No, not at this stage.

1. (1) Yes, two officials from 19 May to 1 June 1988 and four officials on 25 and 26 May 1988.
2. (2) Yes, as far as the first two officials are concerned. No, as far as the other four officials are concerned.
   

   (a) and (b) To arrange a press conference and to assist the media with their enquiries re Lawaaikamp and to assist in informing the residents of Lawaaikamp about the availability of housing in Tembalethu.

3. (3) (a) and (b), (i) and (ii) Informal discussions were held between the Town Clerk of George, Bureau officials and members of the George Civic Association to inform the latter of the availability of housing in Tembalethu and the procedures to be followed to obtain it. These discussions resulted in a meeting with the residents of Lawaaikamp in order to convey the same information.
4. (4) (a) and (b) No.

Mr Chairman, we at the Bureau for Information have quite enough work as it is without doing any unnecessary work in addition. If we therefore did send people there, it was because we had made quite sure that their services there could serve a useful purpose.

Mr Chairman, the hon member’s question entails the furnishing of particulars about a very specific sum of money. If he wants that kind of answer, he will just have to table the question. We shall then answer him on that.

Yes.

1. (a) Platforms 1 to 24.
2. (b) November 1987.
3. (c) To streamline the flow of passengers through entrances and exits.

Mr Chairman, in reply to that question I again want to point out to the hon member that the entrances and exits which are restricted to holders of first class tickets are there to improve the flow of passengers. Holders of third class tickets enter and leave through their own entrances and exits, and holders of first class tickets enter and leave through their own entrances and exits.

Mr Chairman, that may be the case, but there are also Whites who travel third class. They may also enter and leave that way.

Order† I think enough supplementary questions have been asked about this.

Order† No, the hon member is making a very big mistake. If every member were to ask five questions here, we would never complete the questions. I rule that enough supplementary questions have now been asked about this matter, and I am now proceeding to Question 16.

(for the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning):

1. (1) and (2) The decision to refuse the application of the person whose name has been furnished for the purpose of this reply, has been taken after due consideration of all the relevant facts.
2. (3) No. On 5 October 1987, when the State President announced the Government’s acceptance of the principle of open residential areas, he referred to the possibility that rural land may be declared open areas in terms of amended legislation. The relevant legislation is under consideration at present.

(for the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning):

No, it was a report drafted for the Department of Development Planning.

Yes. The planning and intended establishment of the new sea outfall pipeline, replacing the existing unsatisfactory sea outfall pipeline, to be operated by the Western Cape Regional Services Council at Hout Bay has been, since its inception, rigorously controlled by the Department of Water Affairs. The authorisation in terms of section 21 of the Water Act, 1956 (Act 54 of 1956) which controls this discharge, requires the Regional Services Council to commit itself to a programme of prior consultation and monitoring. This procedure has been controlled by an ad hoc committee, of which a member of the Department of Water Affairs is chairman. This committee has at regular intervals reviewed the recommendations of the engineering consultants of the Regional Services Council, experts in sea outfall design from the CSIR, the Marine Pollution Division of the Sea Fisheries Research Institute, the Chief Medical Officer of Health of the Regional Services Council and others. In addition, a programme of monitoring the effects of the improved disposal to sea is a requirement of the authorisation to the Regional Services Council and will continue in order to satisfy the Department that the sea in Hout Bay is not polluted. The Department is satisfied that the Regional Services Council has budgetted the necessary funds for the construction of the outfall in appreciation of its responsibilities in terms of section 21 of the Water Act, 1956.

Yes. Any effluent derived from the use of water for industrial purposes, must in terms of section 21 of the Water Act, 1956 (Act 54 of 1956) be disposed of as prescribed by the Minister of Water Affairs. The effluent discharged from the existing sea outfall pipeline at Hout Bay was unacceptable to the Department of Water Affairs and pressure was brought to bear on the Western Cape Regional Services Council to discharge the effluent in a suitable manner. The hon member is also referred to my reply to question 18.

Regular monitoring of discharges are carried out and samples are analised, so as to determine the quality thereof and the impact it could have on the sea and marine life. The Department will not hesitate to prosecute persons or bodies who deliberately or negligently cause pollution and any complaint in this regard will be followed up immediately.

[Reply laid upon the Table with leave of House]:

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) (i) The prisoners were kept in a communal cell and received the privileges applicable to prisoners in the category concerned regarding visits, letters, purchasing of items, etc.
      1. (ii) (aa) None.
         1. (bb) In the normal course of events, prisoners are issued with additional blankets during winter. This has been applied with regard to all prisoners, including those who are referred to in the question.
         2. (cc) As a result of an alleged attempt to escape from the Pollsmoor Prison during the early morning hours of 5 June 1988, more stringent security measures have been applied with regard to these prisoners in terms of section 80 of the Prisons Act, 1959 since 5 June 1988.
         3. (dd) None. These prisoners still receive the same privileges.
         4. (ee) One
   2. (b) and (c) In terms of section 22 of the Prisons Act, 1959 the Commissioner shall determine the security measures applicable at prisons, and may determine different security measures in respect of different prisons. There is good reason for the belief that these prisoners might have wanted to escape. The necessary intensified security measures have been in force in terms of section 80 of the Prisons Act, 1959. These measures will be kept in force within bounds of the Prisons Act for as long as is necessary to ensure the safe custody of prisoners and the safety of the public.
2. (2) No.
   1. (a), (b) and (c) fall away.
3. (3) Falls away.
4. (4) No.

1. (1) Yes.

The three-year teacher education diploma in pre-primary work is offered at Soweto College of education and Good Hope College of Education (Khayelitsha).

The enrolment for the pre-primary teacher education course for 1988 is as follows:

In view of ratinalization the Primary Teachers’ Diploma (Junior Primary) is presently being restructured to provide for pre-primary teacher education as an integral part of the course. The present Primary Teachers’ Diploma (Pre-primary) is being phased out as from January 1988 and consequently no first-year students were enrolled. The restructured course will be implemented in 1990.

1. (2) Yes
2. (3) Yes
   

   Only registered pre-primary schools are taken into consideration for subsidies. Pre-primary schools, located in their own buildings, are subsidized according to the following formula:

   A basic amount of R3 000 per annum. For every 3 pupils in excess of 30 enrolled pupils, an additional amount of R100 per annum is paid.

   An amount of R50 per child is appropriated to subsidized institutions making use of classrooms in public primary schools.

3. (4) No.

(1), (2), (3) and (4) The procedures followed in the procuring of this kind of specialized services can be implemented in different ways, inter alia the following: Public tenders can be called for by the Tender Board; quotations can be called for with the permission of and subject to the regulations of the Tender Board; or Tender Board exemption can be obtained to negotiate an agreement with specified suppliers. All these courses of action are subject to specific Tender Board instructions which have to be complied with by the officials involved.

Regulations or guidelines with regard to entering into contracts or agreements by the Department with close relatives of senior officials are defined in the Treasury instructions, Chapter N, Paragraph 14.2, as well as in the Tender Board instructions, Chapter 4, paragraph 401.

The question asked by the hon member in par. (1), (3) and (4) and particulars of the reply thereto are included in the mandate of the Commission of Inquiry that was appointed on 17 June 1988 by the State President. In terms of Regulation 14 of Proclamation R.106 1988 I deem it not to be in the interest of the inquiry at this stage to reply to the question in detail.

If the hon member possesses any information which he feels should be brought to the attention of the Commission, he ought to submit it to the Commission.

Should the Commission decide to investigate this matter, the question of the proper observation or otherwise of the instructions will be answered fully in the report of the Commission.

Should the Commission decide not to investigate this particular aspect, I shall at a later stage be happy to reply to the hon member’s question, or supply any additional information he may be interested in.

1. (a) and (b) Yes. To various local authorities and provincial administrations.
   1. (i) The rendering of financial assistance to the authorities concerned for the development of said physical and sport facilities is a function that has devolved from the then Department of Co-operation and Development to the Department of Education and Training on 1 September 1985, on the recommendation of the Commission for Administration.
   2. (ii) - (iv) Various sport and recreational facilities. A complete, 16-page inventory dealing with replies to sections (ii) to (v) for the period 1 April 1987 to the present, will willingly be made available on request to the hon member or any other interested members.
   3. (v) For the period stated in (ii):
      

      * For sport facilities R4 846 624,48

      * For out-door recreational resorts R8 219 682,07

1. (1) (a) Yes, and
   1. (b) yes, at 220 other post offices, the names of which I will gladly furnish on request to the hon member;
      1. (i) and (ii) for decades it was standing procedure to provide separate serving facilities at post offices and to apply separate serving patterns. Various arrangements were involved, such as the provision of separate entrances to the buildings as well as separate public lobbies and the designation (by means of notice boards) of the entrances, lobbies, counters and public writing facilities for use on the basis of separation. Against the background of the foregoing and with a view to eliminating friction and irritating measures, the systematic removal of the various measures relative to separate service, commenced during 1976. In this connection all segregation notices at entrance doors and in public areas of post offices have already been withdrawn and are no longer displayed. At a small minority of post offices, the public areas are still separated by partitions but separate service is no longer rendered or enforced. In cases where the structure of buildings permits and where it can be done without harm, the partitions are removed in conjunction with repairs and improvement works,
      2. (iii) (aa) and (bb) at 169 of the post offices referred to, a single official is in attendance, while at the other 52 offices, more than one manned counter serving point exists,
      3. (iv) at offices with a single serving point the full range of services is available. At certain of the major offices separate postal and financial counters exist but all services are available to all members of the public. In the case of Hofmeyr the public area is separated by a ceiling-high brick wall and the two public areas can only be reached by separate entrances as an interleading door has not been provided. The partition supports the roof structure and cannot be removed at this stage without incurring considerable costs;
2. (2) yes, as soon as it can be combined with other construction work or periodic renovations of the buildings and public support is forthcoming, but it is not possible to attach a time-scale to the undertaking.

Mr Chairman, I suggest the hon member reads my reply, which is a very comprehensive and exhaustive one, and he will see exactly what we have in mind.

New Questions:

1. (1) R298 167,30
2. (2) No final decision in this regard has been taken.
3. (3) (a) and (b)
   

   No final decision in this regard has been taken.

4. (4) Yes. A campaign concerning the implementation of the Government’s policy with regard to deregulation. The relevant details will be disclosed in due course, it should be taken into account that the premature disclosure of all details will deprive the advertising campaign of its impact. Any advertising campaign is implemented over a certain period in order to achieve specific objectives.

Yes

1. (a) and (b) Fall away
2. (i) A case docket is at present with the Attorney-General for his decision.
3. (ii) The name which was furnished by the hon member.

1. (1) (a) to (d) The officer concerned was transferred to fill a vacancy which arose elsewhere and because his duties were required there, in the interests of the Force.
2. (2) I refer the hon member to paragraphs (1) to (3) of my reply on 26 May 1988 to Question 13, standing over.
3. (3) Falls away
4. (4) No
   1. (a) and (b) Fall away

1. (1) Yes, on 20 April 1988
2. (2) Yes
   1. (a) and (b) A charge in terms of section 46(1) (a) of the Group Areas Act, 1966 (Act 36 of 1966) was investigated. On 25 May 1988 the case docket was referred to the Attorney-General for his decision.
3. (3) Yes. The residence concerned had recently been vacated.

1. (1) No; on account of the limited effect of beach seine permits on the exploitation of the resources.
2. (2) No.

(for the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning):

This matter vests in the Administrator of the Cape Province and he furnished the following information:

1. (1) No.
   

   Rest of question falls away.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) 13 June 1988.
   2. (b) It is not in the interests of the public or the country to furnish these reasons.
   3. (c) Regulation 3(1) of the Security Emergency Regulations promulgated in terms of the Public Safety Act, 1953 (Act 3 of 1953) by Proclamation R.97 of 10 June 1988.
   4. (d) North End Prison, Port Elizabeth.
   5. (e) Janet Caroline Small.
2. (2) (a) and (b) Investigation into the activities of this person is continuing. At this stage an indication cannot be given when and for which crimes the detainee will possibly be charged.

(for the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning):

1. (a) To inquire into and make recommendations regarding:
   1. (i) the constitutional and related matters and the political future of the district Moutse; and
   2. (ii) the question of what is in general constitutionally the appropriate method to determine and to alter the boundaries of the self-governing territories.
2. (b) The necessary mandate was published in the Government Gazette of Friday, June 24,1988 which enables the Commission to commence with their proceedings.

(for the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning):

This matter vests in the Administrator of Transvaal and he furnished the following information:

1. (1) The person of whom particulars have been furnished, did apply for a permit. Further information, however, cannot be supplied, because the application is under consideration at present.
   

   Rest of question falls away.

Mr Chairman, naturally I cannot reply to the hon member’s question. However, I am sure that should the hon member contact the hon the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning in that regard, he will furnish him with a reply.

(1), (2) and (3)

The question of the hon member and particulars of the reply thereupon fall within the terms of reference of the Commission of Inquiry which was appointed by the State President on Friday, 17 June. In terms of regulation 14 of Proclamation R.106 of 17 June 19881 consider it therefore not in the interest of the inquiry to reply to the question in detail at this stage.

If the hon member possesses any information which he feels should be brought to the attention of the Commission, he ought to submit it to the Commission.

If the Commission attends to this particular matter, all aspects of the question will thoroughly be answered by the report of the Commission.

If the Commission does not investigate particular aspects, I shall gladly reply to the hon member’s question at a later stage or provide any supplementary particulars in which he might be interested.

(1) Yes

The questions asked by the hon member in (1)(a), (b), (c), (d) and (e) and also in (2), (3), (4) and (5) and particulars of the replies thereto are relevant to a matter that has been referred to the Commission of Inquiry that was appointed on 17 June 1988 by the State President. In terms of regulation 14 of Proclamation R.106, 1988 I deem it not to be in the interest of the inquiry at this stage to reply to the question in detail.

If the hon member possesses any information which he feels should be brought to the attention of the Commission, he ought to submit it to the Commission.

Should the Commission decide to investigate this matter, the question of the proper observation or otherwise of the procedures will be answered fully in the report of the Commission.

Should the Commission decide not to investigate this particular aspect, I shall at a later stage be happy to reply to the honourable member’s question, or supply any additional information he may be interested in.

1. (a) 17 582 m²
2. (b) R19 000 000
3. (c) (i) Early in 1989
   1. (ii) Early in 1989.

(1) and (2)

The Identification Act, No 72 of 1986, which came into operation with effect from 1 July 1986, requires the finger-prints to be taken of every person who applies for an identity document.

Persons who apply for passports and who are not in possession of identity documents issued in terms of the aforementioned Act, are being required by my Department to simultaneously apply for the new identity document. This results in their fingerprints being taken at that point in time for the purposes of the issuing of their identity documents.

(for the Minister of National Education):

1. (1) Yes. Meetings were held (a) on 23 June 1988 (b) with the following interest groups:
   

   Committee of University Principals

   Committee of Technikon Principals

   Teachers’ Federal Council

   Union of Teachers’ Associations of SA

   African Teachers’ Association of SA

2. (2) Yes. The Minister for Administration and Privatisation had been informed about this matter on 28 April 1988.
3. (3) No.

(1) to (5)

The occurrences mentioned in the hon member’s question must be judged and replied to against the following background:

The goal of the Communistic/Marxist forces regarding South Africa, namely the establishment of an initial socialistic system as forerunner for a total communistic dominated state, is still being purposefully pursued.

In this process these forces are using various instruments — this includes terror by unscrupulous terrorists, diplomatic actions, propaganda against the country and the Government, as well as sanctions and boycotts on various levels, and much more.

The actors in these actions are people — from confirmed communists and cold-blooded terrorist murderers to so-called harmless “dogooders” who are treacherously manipulated and abused by the communists.

Archbishop Tutu, head of the Anglican Church in South Africa falls into the the latter category. Archbishop Tutu has in the past few years by his actions, including amongst other things the propagation of sanctions against the country, moved up the street of these profane master-planners of the Kremlin.

These people have succeeded to such an extent in their attempts, that as a result of sanctions, many thousands of people, mainly Blacks, have lost their employment and means of existence.

From the available information it is now becoming evident that these unemployed, hungry people are beginning to rebel against those who are responsible for their grief and misery. This promotes the potential for friction and unrest considerably and creates a danger for the peace and safety of the public and the maintenance of the public order.

There have been several occasions recently, where groups of persons have been present at airports where the Archbishop was to have arrived or from which he was to have departed. However, this has always been allowed, provided that the persons remain orderly and peaceful. A Police presence has always been maintained at every occasion.

On the dates concerned, groups of persons once again arrived and as usual they were allowed to gather at suitable areas in the airport building. The persons awaited the Archbishop orderly and peacefully. On his arrival, a number of persons produced “anti-Tutu” placards and started jeering him, while insisting that he provide them with jobs and food.

The Police acted as quickly as possible and confiscated the placards without exception and arrested several persons.

Charges in terms of the State Airport Regulations are being investigated against these persons. The case dockets will be submitted to the Attorney-General for his decision as soon as the investigations have been completed.

Mr Chairman, I have indicated fully what our standpoint is and how we acted. I think that, if the hon member will read my reply carefully, he will be able to get a reply to that question of his.

Order† Strictly speaking that does not arise out of this question.

(1) to (4)

I refer the hon member to my replies to Oral Question 23 of 26 May 1988 and Oral Question 13 of 14 June 1988. I regard these replies as being a sufficient reply to this question.

Order! I do not think I am going to give any ruling on that.

1. (1) Yes.
2. (2) (a) and (b) Yes, I was fully informed of the contents of the film before I expressed any criticism of it. At a later stage I viewed the film myself and I am satisfied that my criticism was justified.
3. (3) Yes. This film contained extremely biased and slanted criticism, distortions and blatant lies about South Africa and the so-called children in detention. It is focused on a slanted and negative interpretation of reality while the positive developments, especially in the Black communities, are totally ignored.
   

   With the approval of the house, I table an excerpt of my speech in the President’s Council on 9 June 1988, in which I expressed criticism regarding the film.

   As I promised, the South African Police is already conducting an intensive investigation into the allegations which were made in the film. Certain persons, who made allegations of assault and torture in the film, have since then openly admitted that the allegations were false and that in some instances they were instructed what to say.

4. (4) Yes.
   

   (a) and (b) The South African Embassy in London made representations to the BBC. The hon member may obtain particulars of these representations from my colleague the Minister of Foreign Affairs.

5. (5) I refer the hon member to the reply of my colleague the Minister of Home Affairs, to Question No 22.

I think that might just be a matter for Mr Speaker to decide.

Mr Chairman, may I just assist by saying that it is not the whole speech, but only the short section that relates to this film.

[Inaudible.]

Excerpt from the speech of the Minister of Law and Order in the President’s Council on Thursday 9 June 1988 as referred to in reply to Question No 21:

Last night a most hostile film was shown on BBC Television, which according to information we have so far received, gave an extremely biased and slanted picture of so-called children in detention in South Africa. Serious allegations of torture, beatings and disfiguring of children supposedly by the South African Police are made in the documentary and are apparently backed up by some well known people, such as Priscilla Jana and others here in South Africa. The Methodist Minister of Soweto, Mr Paul Verryn, is for instance quoted in the film as claiming that girls and boys of thirteen years were being tortured with electric shocks. He said some of the victims were as young as nine years. We will go to him and ask him to supply us with the proof of these allegations. At the South African Council of Churches a Mr Saki Macozoma works, who claims that it was common to find missing children in mortuaries, while another person claimed that children’s fingers were chopped off. They too will have to supply the South African Police with the proof of these allegations. The South African Police and the Government takes the strongest exception to this film. It was commissioned by the BBC to be filmed in South Africa in strict secrecy and it was obviously designed to generate hatred towards the South African Police and our other Security Force.

What is most shocking however, is the fact that neither the South African Government nor the Police were given a chance to comment on the serious and one-sided allegations made in the film. Worst of all is the fact that the spokesman for the BBC in London even had the audacity to phone my office yesterday to ask for comment, but still without us having been given the opportunity to view the film. When Brigadier Mellet from my office asked the BBC spokesman why the allegations were not put to him or to the South African Police for comment beforehand, the interviewer said and I quote: “Quite frankly, the BBC does not believe the South African Government”.

If this is the BBC’s attitude, then why should the South African Government continue to host their representatives in our country? It can serve no useful purpose if the representatives who have privileged access to government information cannot even be trusted by their own head office, to at least try and balance the one-sided and distorted picture of South Africa. We will investigate every allegation made in this antagonistic film and if any are proved to be factual, we will institute the necessary action. However, those allegations which are proved to be false will be exposed and we expect the BBC to then afford as much time to the truth in the same time slot as they did with this film. We will not allow South Africa and especially our Security Forces to be vilified through deliberate lies and slanted distortions.

The matter is presently being investigated and a decision will be made as soon as all relevant facts and information are available.

Own Affairs:

Questions standing over from Tuesday, 21 June 1988, pursuant to resolution adopted by House on Monday, 20 June 1988:

1. (1) Yes,
   1. (a) Director of Education,
   2. (b) 2 May 1988,
   3. (c) and (d)
      

      Institutions were requested to change from the buying procedures that were applicable under the provincial administrations to the procedures laid down by the State Tender Board’s “Manual, General Directives and Procedures” of November 1985.

2. (2) Yes, the attention of the Directors of the other provincial education departments was drawn to the contents of the State Tender Board’s “Manual, General Directives and Procedures” of November 1985 on 1988-02-23.

1. (1) Yes;
2. (2) no

(a), (b) and (c) fall away.

Yes,

1. (a) 1 November 1987,
2. (b) on the recommendation of the Commission for Administration to grant special recognition (within the context of the rank) to officers and employees who have distinguished themselves from their peers through sustained above average work performance.

1. (1) Schools may erect or purchase facilities at full cost to themselves if these meet with the technical and other specifications laid down by the various provincial education departments;
2. (2) this information is not available.

1. (1) Yes,
   1. (a) and (b) the information is not available,
   2. (c) falls away;
2. (2) private schools which are registered with the Department determine their own admissions policy within the terms of the Constitution;
3. (3) no, such schools may also elect to enter their pupils for the National Senior Certificate or the Joint Matriculation Board examinations.

Yes,

1. (a) and (b) the information is not readily available.

No,

1. (a) since language endorsements Ae and Ea allow for effective communication;
2. (b) (i) and (ii) this information is not readily available.

1. (1) Yes;
2. (2) no, (a) and (b) fall away;
3. (3) (a), (b) and (c) fall away;
4. (4) (a) and (b) fall away.

New Questions:

1. (1)
   1. (a) (i) Dirkie Uys Senior Primary: 273 Dirkie Uys Junior Primary: 195,
      1. (ii) Dirkie Uys Senior Primary: 564 Dirkie Uys Junior Primary: 344,
   2. (b) 10 June 1988;
2. (2) yes, a referendum by the parents, was conducted on the question of the amalgamation of the two Dirkie Uys schools with Andries Pretorius Primary School. The result of the referendum was that 75%of the parents were against amalgamation and 25%were in favour thereof. The matter has not been pursued.

1. (a) Yes,
2. (b) yes,
   1. (i) (aa) loan authority amounting to R13 602 000 has been approved
      1. (bb) engineering block
         

         building for life sciences and physical sciences

         building for commercial sciences cafeteria — phase I

         sport and culture centre

         administration building

         land improvement

         connecting roads,

   2. (ii) R50 000 000 — at current values.

1. (a)
   1. (i) (aa) Loan authority approved: R21 036 000,
      1. (bb) loan authority approved: R1 509 000,
   2. (ii) 31 March 1988,
2. (b)
   1. (i) (aa) engineering block
      

      building for life sciences and physical sciences — phase I and II

      building for commercial sciences cafeteria — phase I

      sport and culture centre — phase I,

      1. (bb) improvement to grounds at engineering block
         

         improvement to grounds at building for commercial sciences improvement to grounds at building for life sciences and physical sciences

         connecting roads: phase I,

   2. (ii) up to and including 1987/1988 financial year.

1. (1) Yes,
   1. (a) none,
   2. (b) falls away;
2. (2) yes,
   

   Colenso Museum,

   Ladysmith Museum,

   Richmond Museum,

   Utrecht Museum,

   Vryheid Museum,

   Weenen-museum as at the time of allocation,

   The Old House, 31 St Andrews Street, Durban,

   Macrorie House Museum, Pietermaritzburg;

3. (3) no,
   

   (a), (b) and (c) fall away;

4. (4) no,
   

   after the transfer, the present fully-fledged provincial museums will be administered by my Department; museums which are controlled by local authorities will continue to be controlled by local authorities; in future the local authorities will, however, receive their subsidies from my Department;

5. (5) yes,
   1. (a) Colenso Museum: the exhibition depicts the battle of Colenso and Hart’s Hill between Boer and Briton and therefore deals mainly with matters concerning the White group, Ladysmith Museum: the exhibition depicts the siege of Ladysmith and therefore deals mainly with matters concerning the White group,
   2. (b) as soon as possible.

1. (1) Yes,
   1. (a) immediately,
   2. (b) members of the House may study the relevant documents in my office on request;
2. (2) yes,
   1. (a) those functions published in Government Gazette 1078 of 26 June 1987,
   2. (b) section 28(2) of the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1983 (Act 110 of 1983);
3. (3) yes,
   1. (a) directors of education were appointed programme managers, with effect from 1 April 1988,
   2. (b) their powers and responsibilities regarding the financial management of their respective departments have been enhanced;
4. (4) yes, should it be deemed necessary.

1. (1) Yes;
2. (2) (a) and (b) yes;
3. (3) and (4) it is not in general interest to make this information available;
4. (5) no.