House of Assembly: Vol7 - THURSDAY 23 JUNE 1988
†Indicates translated version.
For written reply:
General Affairs:
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
(a) What total number of Black persons in the Republic was resettled in 1987, (b) (i) from what places were they removed and (ii) in what places were they resettled, and (c) for what reasons were they resettled, in each case?
This information was furnished by the different Provincial Governments:
ORANGE FREE STATE
- (a) None.
- (b) (i) and (ii) Fall away.
- (c) Falls away.
TRANSVAAL
- (a) 435
- (b) (i) Varkfontein plots, Petit.
- (ii) Etwatwa, adjacent to Daveyton.
- (c) Their perilous living conditions with the consequent health risk.
NATAL
- (a) None.
- (b) (i) and (ii) Fall away.
- (c) Falls away.
CAPE PROVINCE |
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(a) |
47 182 |
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(i) |
(ii) |
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(b) |
Noordhoek (517 persons) |
Khayelitsha |
Ericadens (280 persons) |
Motherwell |
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Colchester (169 persons) |
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Threescombe (98 persons) |
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Fitches (111 persons) |
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Rocklands (7 persons) |
Motherwell |
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Kabah/Langa and Despatch (46 000 persons) |
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(c) |
Their perilous living conditions with the consequent health risk. |
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
- (1) What was the estimated shortage of housing for Blacks outside the self-governing territories at the end of 1987;
- (2) how many houses were provided in 1987 for Blacks outside these territories and in each province by (a) the State, (b) local authorities and (c) the private sector;
- (3) when is it estimated that the shortages will be eliminated in areas outside these territories?
This information was furnished by the different Provincial Governments:
TRANSVAAL
- (1) 411 194
- (2) (a) The provision of housing is the responsibility of the individual, the employer, the other sectors of the private sector and by absolute exception, in respect of the underprivileged, that of the authorities. Provision is also made for material loans. The following information is supplied:
Houses built: |
783 |
Material loans granted: |
1 998 |
- (b) 3 342 houses; and
3 874 loans were also granted for “self-build" housing schemes.
- (c) 12 130 houses
ORANGE FREE STATE
- (1) 50 409
- (2) (a) The provision of housing is the responsibility of the individual, the employer, the other sectors of the private sector and by absolute exception, in respect of the underprivileged, that of the authorities. Provision is also made for material loans. The following information is supplied:
Houses built: |
None |
Material loans granted: |
1 311 |
- (b) None
- (c) 3 007
CAPE PROVINCE
- (1) 99 147
- (2) (a) The provision of housing is the responsibility of the individual, the employer, the other sectors of the private sector and by absolute exception, in respect of the underprivileged, that of the authorities. Provision is also made for material loans. The following information is supplied:
Houses built: |
None |
Material loans granted: |
13 948 |
- (b) 3 630
- (c) 1 226
NATAL
- (1) 142 000
- (2) (a) The provision of housing is the responsibility of the individual, the employer, the other sectors of the private sector and by absolute exception, in respect of the underprivileged, that of the authorities. Provision is also made for material loans. The following information is supplied:
Houses built: |
None |
Material loans granted: |
134 |
- (b) None
- (c) 51
- (3) Housing for Blacks is a process that receives ongoing attention and is influenced by the availability of funds and land, private sector involvement, etc. Therefore, it is not possible to predict when the shortages will be eliminated.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
Whether officials of his Department or any provincial or local authority took any steps in respect of shelters for squatters in 1987; if so, (a) what steps, (b) how many shelters in respect of each specified area were affected by these steps and (c) where were these shelters situated in each case?
This information was furnished by the different Provincial Governments:
No.
Rest of question falls away.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
- (1) Whether the State purchased any land in 1987 for the purpose of accommodating the influx of Blacks into the urban areas of the Republic; if not, why not; if so, (a) where is this land located and (b) at what total cost was it purchased;
- (2) whether it is the intention to purchase additional land for this purpose; if so,
- (3) whether any options have been taken on such land; if so, (a) what was the cost involved in taking these options, (b) where is this land located and (c) what is the agreed purchase price of this land?
This function vests in the different Administrators of the four provinces and they furnished the following information:
CAPE PROVINCE
- (1) No, because they could be accommodated in existing urban black towns.
- (a) and (b) Fall away.
- (2) No.
- (3) (a), (b) and (c) Fall away.
ORANGE FREE STATE
- (1) None.
- (a) and (b) Fall away.
- (2) No.
- (3) No.
- (a), (b) and (c) Fall away.
NATAL
- (1) Negotiations for the purchase of land for this purpose were not concluded during 1987. Negotiations are continuing in respect of (a) (i) land adjacent to Chesterville Black Township (Durban) and (ii) Hambanati Black Township (Tongaat)
- (b) R700 000 and R1 909 000.
- (2) Yes.
- (3) No options were taken.
TRANSVAAL
- (1) Yes. Although no land was bought by the State during 1987, several Black local authorities have bought land from funds loaned by the National Housing Commission. (See attached Annexure.) The land was purchased for the purpose of eradicating the existing housing back-log and to make provision for the increase in the demand for housing inter alia also as a result of the natural population growth
In order to accommodate the squatters at Weiler’s Farm several portions of the farm Wildebeestfontein in total ±1 000 ha (directly north of the area of jurisdiction of Evaton) was bought during 1983/84 by the former West-Rand Development Board for an amount of R1 400 000.
It is pointed out that land which was made available the past year for Black development by the declaration of development areas, will not have direct relation to land which the Government or the Black local authorities bought during the relative period for Black township development, because this development areas will in future years also be developed with the assistance of the private sector.
- (a) and (b) See attached Annexure.
- (2) No.
- (3) (a), (b) and (c) Fall away.
Land purchased from funds granted by the National Housing Commission
Located at |
Black local authority |
Size per ha |
Purchase price |
Vanderbijlpark |
Sebokeng Lekoa Evaton |
325 |
R1 829 902 |
Johannesburg |
Soweto |
42,64 |
R1 017 291 |
Balfour |
Siyathemba |
85 |
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Middelburg |
Mhluzi |
509 |
R6 214 908 |
Ogies |
Phola |
200 |
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Witbank |
KwaGuqa |
2 400 |
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Nigel |
Duduza |
849 |
R2 900 000 |
Benoni |
Wattville |
41 |
R 200 200 |
Total |
4451,64 |
R12 162 301 |
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
Whether there are any buffer strips separating areas for the various population groups in the Cape Peninsula; if so, (a) where is each such strip located and (b) what is the area covered by these strips (i) individually and (ii) in total?
This information was furnished by the Cape Provincial Government.
No. Rest of question falls away.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) (a) How many charges were laid with the South African Police in regard to incidents involving offensive behaviour which allegedly occurred on Durban and East London beaches in December 1987 and January 1988, (b) what was the nature of these charges and (c) what was the outcome in each case;
- (2) what are the duties of members of the Police when dealing with incidents of this nature?
- (1) (a) Durban:
December 1987 — 1
January 1988 — 1
East London:
December 1987 — none
January 1988 — none
- (b) and (c) Two women were charged with public indecency because they showered naked at the public showers. Both women were convicted and sentenced.
- (2) It is the statutory responsibility of the South African Police to investigate any complaint of an alleged crime that is reported. However, circumstances differ from complaint to complaint, therefore, it is not possible to set out the specific duties with regard to each complaint.
NOTE: On 28 December 1987 a number of persons submitted statements to the South African Police, East London. In these statements general allegations were made regarding Black women and children who bathed naked or semi-naked. However, the complainants could not identify the beaches or persons concerned, consequently no prosecution could be instituted. Appropriate steps were taken to prevent similar incidents.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) Whether the South African Police have methods and specially trained staff at their disposal for the combating of computer fraud in South Africa; if not, why not;
- (2) whether he intends taking any action in this regard; if so, (a) what action and (b) when;
- (3) whether the Police consult with members of the computer industry in this regard; if not, why not; if so, what is the nature of this consultation?
(1) to (3)
It is the statutory responsibilty of the South African Police to prevent crime and to investigate any crime or alleged crime. In the execution of these duties pace is kept with the latest methods and technology which may facilitate the task of the South African Police. Should a specific industry be able to make a significant contribution in this regard, they are consulted without hesitation.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
Whether the South African Police are involved in administering legislation relating to illicit diamond buying; if so, (a) to what extent, (b) how many members of the Police Force are engaged in this branch and (c) what was the cost of administering this branch during the latest specified period of 12 months for which information is available?
(a) to (c)
A special unit of the Detective Branch of the South African Police enforces the Diamond Act, 1986 (Act 56 of 1986). As these duties fall within the ambit of the provisions of section 5 of the Police Act, 1958 (Act 7 of 1958) the costs involved are not separately identified and recorded.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) How many investigations into alleged contraventions under group areas legislation were conducted by the South African Police in (a) each police division and (b) the Republic in 1987;
- (2) whether it is the policy of the Police to investigate such contraventions only as the result of complaints made to them; if not, what is the policy regarding investigations; if so,
- (3) whether all such complaints are investigated; if not, why not;
- (4) whether it is the policy of the Police to encourage persons aware of possible contraventions in this regard to lodge complaints; if so, (a) why and (b) what is the nature of such encouragement?
- (1) (a) and (b) 1307 investigations were conducted country-wide in the different police divisions.
- (2) Yes.
- (3) Yes.
- (4) No.
- (a) and (b) Fall away.
†Indicates translated version.
For written reply:
General Affairs:
asked the Minister of Law and Order:†
(a) How many (i) White, (ii) Coloured, (iii) Indian and (iv) Black officers of each rank are in possession of the Police Diploma and (b) in respect of what date is this information furnished?
I wish to point out to the honourable member that until 1978 promotion to officers rank took place on the basis of the successful completion of departmental promotion examination. This examination was of high standard and equivalent to the present National Diploma in Police Administration.
Members of the Force who were promoted to officers rank after passing the departmental promotion examination, are not compelled to write the examination for the National Diploma in Police Administration. However, they may do so on a voluntary basis.
Since 1 January 1979 members of the Force have been promoted to officers rank after they have obtained the National Diploma in Police Administration, providing that they comply with all the other requirements for such promotion.
In the light of these facts, I provide the particulars requested by the honourable member.
(a) |
(i) |
Brigadier |
6 |
Colonel |
21 |
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Lieutenant-Colonel |
67 |
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Major |
130 |
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Captain |
356 |
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Lieutenant |
826 |
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Warrant Officer |
234 |
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(ii) |
Captain |
3 |
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Lieutenant |
5 |
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(iii) |
Captain |
2 |
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Lieutenant |
36 |
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(iv) |
Captain |
2 |
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Lieutenant |
15 |
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(b) |
19 May 1988 |
†Indicates translated version.
For written reply:
General Affairs:
asked the Minister of Finance:
- (1) Whether any applications have been received for the establishment of an Islamic Bank in the Republic; if so, (a) how many and (b) (i) from whom, and (ii) on what dates, in each case;
- (2) whether his Department has issued any licences in respect of an Islamic Bank; if so, (a) on what dates, (b) to whom, and (c) on what conditions, in each case; if not, why not;
- (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
- (1) In August 1987 the Government and the Reserve Bank were approached by members of the Muslim Community with a view to acquiring approval for the establishment of an Islamic Bank in South Africa that would conduct its business in accordance with Islamic principles. The Reserve bank agreed in principle to the establishment of such a bank, provided that the requirements of the Banks Act would be fully met.
On 16 September 1987 a Durban-based group, represented by Mr A B Mohamed, gave notice ot its intention to acquire the Reserve Bank’s approval for the establishment of an Islamic Bank. Subsequently, discussions were held with the Reserve Bank and an information document, dated 15 October 1987, was submitted to the Bank, setting out some of the principles on which the proposed banking operation would be based. The promotors were informed that the document did not contain sufficient information to qualify as a formal application for the establishment of a new bank. A further application has not been submitted subsequently.
On 18 September 1987 Mr E E Kharsany on behalf of the Islamic Corporation Limited, an established financial company in Johannesburg, submitted an application to the Reserve bank for permission to convert the Islamic Corporation into an Islamic Bank. Similar applications had been lodged with the former Registrar of Banks before the transfer of the administration of the Banks Act to the Reserve Bank.
- (2) The Reserve Bank has not proceeded with the formal registration of an Islamic Bank. In discussions and correspondence with the two interested parties the Reserve Bank has since September 1987 repeatedly reiterated its point of view that in principle there is no objection to the establishment of an Islamic Bank in South Africa, subject however to the conditions that there should be only one bank that would serve the interests of the entire Muslim Community, and that the proposed bank should comply fully with all requirements of the Banks Act.
The reason why a banking licence has not yet been issued is that the two promoting groups have failed to reach agreement on a shareholding, a board of directors and a management for the proposed bank that would represent the interests of both groups.
- (3) No.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
How many persons were (a) apprehended and (b) charged in connection with the cases of (i) murder, (ii) culpable homicide, (iii) assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm, (iv) common assault, (v) rape, (vi) burglary and housebreaking, (vii) robbery, (viii) theft of vehicles, (ix) damage to property and (x) possession of drugs reported and investigated at police stations serving the Indian areas of Greenwood Park, Mayville, Sydenham, Mount Edgecombe, Stanger, Tongaat, Verulam, Chatsworth, Isipingo and Wentworth, respectively, in the 1987 calendar year?
The station areas of police stations which serve the residential areas concerned, often include only a small section of one residential area while the remainder of the station area includes residential areas not mentioned in the question. It is also possible that one station area may include parts of more than one of the residential areas concerned. Therefore it is not possible to reply to this question in its present format.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) Whether he intends appointing an Indian to the rank of brigadier in the South African Police; if not, why not; if so, when;
- (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
(1) and (2)
Appointments to the rank of brigadier only take place on the basis of a thorough evaluation of the needs when vacancies arise and when the essential funds are available for this purpose.
When an officer is considered for appointment to the rank of brigadier, several other factors are also taken into consideration, inter alia;
- — the seniority of the officer concerned;
- — whether he can be transferred to another centre and is prepared to be transferred to that centre if his duties are required there in the interests of the Force;
- — whether he has the required minimum qualification;
- — whether he successfully completed the required management development course;
- — whether he proved himself to be a versatile administrator who has an outstanding knowledge of all facets of police duties and can maintain good public and personnel relations;
- — whether he has the psychological ability to cope with the responsibilities attached to such a senior appointment; and
- — whether he is of good character and his moral life is beyond reproach.
Should a vacancy for a brigadier arise and an Indian Officer complies with all the above-mentioned requirements for appointment to this rank, his promotion to the rank of brigadier will be considered.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) Whether he intends appointing Indians as station commanders at police stations in (a) Verulam, (b) Tongaat and (c) Umzinto; if not, why not; if so, when;
- (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
(1) and (2)
When a Station Commander is appointed, several factors are taken into consideration, inter alia:
- — whether the member concerned has practical knowledge regarding all facets of police duties;
- — whether he can maintain good public and personnel relations;
- — whether he has the psychological ability to cope with the responsibilities attached to the specific appointment;
- — whether he can maintain discipline and exercise control over the personnel.
At this stage no reason exists why the members of the Force who are at present the Station Commanders at the stations concerned, should be transferred or replaced.
However, should a vacancy for Station Commander arise at any of these stations in future, an appointment will be made in accordance with the needs and in the interests of the duties of the South African Police.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) Whether he intends establishing new police stations in any of the Indian areas in South Africa; if so, (a) when, (b) where and (c) at what estimated total cost;
- (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
(1) and (2)
Several police stations for Indian areas are being planned. In addition to the police station at Stanger which is at present under construction, several other police stations are envisaged for the 1988/93 five-year building programme. However, particulars of individual projects are not given, as the dates of commencement may be influenced by the availability of funds.
However, I am prepared to furnish information to the honourable member on a personal basis in respect of specific projects that are being planned, if they are situated in his constituency and if he approaches me in this regard.