asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:

1. (1) What is the attitude of the South African Government to ozone depletion;
2. (2) whether any steps are being taken by the State to control the (a) consumption and (b) production of chemicals and/or products which cause ozone depletion; if so, what steps;
3. (3) whether any steps are being taken by the State to increase public awareness of ozone depletion; if not, why not; if so, what steps?

asked the Minister of Defence:

1. (1) Whether the South African Defence Force has any information on a certain organization, the name of which has been furnished to the Defence Force for the purpose of the Minister’s reply; if so, (a) what is this information and (b) what is the name of the organization concerned;
2. (2) whether the Defence Force is in any way involved in rendering (a) financial, and (b) any other forms of, assistance to this organization; if so, (i) what was the amount of this financial assistance during the latest specified period of 12 months for which information is available and (ii) what are the particulars of the other forms of assistance so rendered?

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether his Department is planning any recreational resorts and out-of-school sports facilities for the current financial year; if so, (a) what (i) resorts and (ii) facilities and (b) what total amount is it estimated will be involved?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

1. (1) Whether a special group areas police squad has been stationed at John Vorster Square in Johannesburg; if so, (a) since when has this squad been in existence and (b) what is the purpose of the squad;
2. (2) whether this squad visited Cape Town in 1987 and 1988 to investigate alleged contraventions of the provisions of the Group Areas Act, No 36 of 1966; if so, on how many occasions;
3. (3) whether any other similar squads are in existence within the South African Police Force; if so, (a) how many and (b) where are they stationed?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 5 on 25 August 1987, his Department has allocated the amount of approximately R1,5 million for the upgrading of Kwamevane Township, near Howick; if not, why not; if so, for what purpose was this amount utilized;
2. (2) whether additional funds will be allocated in this regard in the 1988-89 financial year; if not, why not; if so, what is the amount involved?

asked the Minister of Justice:

With reference to his reply to Question No 4, standing over, on 29 March 1988, (a)(i) at which prison institution or institutions and (ii) on how many occasions has he had contact with Mr Nelson Mandela and (b) what was the (i) date and (ii) purpose of each of these meetings?

asked the Minister of Justice:

Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 4, standing over, on 29 March 1988, he has at any time met with Mr Nelson Mandela outside prison premises; if so, (a) what was the purpose of these meetings and (b)(i) when and (ii) where did they take place?

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

Whether he will furnish the names of the countries in Africa which have accorded landing rights to the South African Airways; if not, why not; if so, (a) what are their names and (b) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

1. (1) What amount was spent on locust control during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available;
2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the efficacy of this control?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:†

1. (1) Whether a Police investigation took place in the area of the Suurbekom agricultural holdings on or about 27 March 1988; if so,
2. (2) whether, as a result of this investigation, it was found that any of these agricultural holdings were occupied by Blacks (a) as landowners, (b) as tenants and (c) in any other specified capacities; if so, (i) what are the relevant details, (ii) how many of these agricultural holdings are occupied in this way and (iii)(aa) for which population group has the area concerned been proclaimed and (bb) in terms of what statutory provisions may these Blacks live there;
3. (3) whether the result of the Police investigation was made known to the (a) town council of and (b) public prosecutor in Westonaria; if so, when, in each case;
4. (4) whether a docket on the matter was (a) opened and (b) brought to the attention of the Attorney-General; if so, when, in each case;
5. (5) whether any steps are being considered against the persons concerned; if not, why not; if so, (a) what steps and (b) when;
6. (6) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

1. (1) Whether the Administrator of Natal has been requested to authorize the Natal Provincial Administration to (a) declare Thousand Hills Drive, Drummond, to be a provincial road and (b) bear the full cost of the expropriation;
2. (2) whether such authorization has been granted; if so, when; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is a decision in this connection expected to be taken?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:!

Whether any construction work is being carried out at present at the Everton ramp of the deproclaimed national road between Durban and Pietermaritzburg; if so, (a) for what purpose and (b) what is the cost involved?

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, in the light of the fact that he prefaced it with a reference to the Natal Provincial Administration’s being the source of the information it contained, is the House to believe that he does not assume responsibility for the correctness of the answer?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

1. (1) Whether the Provincial Secretary of Natal has received any requests for assistance for the repair of flood damage to Assegaai Road; Hillcrest; if so, in respect of which portion of this road;
2. (2) whether a decision has been taken in this connection; if so, (a) what decision and (b) when; if not, when is a decision expected to be taken?

asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:

1. (1) Whether the Council for the Environment submitted a report on the development of Armscor’s missile testing range at De Hoop in 1986, 1987 and 1988, respectively; if so, (a) on what dates and (b) where can copies of these reports be obtained; if not, why not, in each case;
2. (2) with reference to the reply of the Minister of Defence to Question No 21 on 29 March 1988, what attempts are being made to ensure that the said range is being developed in accordance with the recommendations made in the Hey Committee Report?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

1. (1) Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, has been detained by the police; if so, (a) when, (b) why, (c) in terms of what statutory provisions or regulations, (d) where and (e) what is the name of this person;
2. (2) whether this person is to be charged with any offences; if so, (a) when and (b) with what offences?

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to information furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, (a) his Department or (b) he, from any moneys under his control, has provided any funds towards placing in a Sunday newspaper dated 17 April 1988 an advertisement concerning a certain church; if so, (i) what was the (aa) purpose and (bb) purport of the advertisement, (ii) what was the amount involved and (iii) what is the name of the (aa) newspaper and (bb) church in question; if not,
2. (2) whether he or his Department gave any financial support to any persons or group of persons responsible for placing this advertisement; if so, (a) why, (b) what was the amount involved and (c) by whom was it placed?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 17 on 12 April 1988, he has received any representations from the residents of (a) Botshabelo and (b) Ekangala; if so, how many in each case;
2. (2) whether he will furnish any further information on these representations; if not, why not; if so, what was (a) the purport of and (b) his response to each of these representations?

asked the Minister of Home Affairs:

1. (1) Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, was deported from South Africa on or about 31 October 1987; if so, (a) why, (b) what were the circumstances surrounding this incident, (c) what is her name and (d) what was the total cost to the South African Government of her flight ticket, the Police guard from the time of the incident involving this person to the time of her deportation, and the Police escort to Jan Smuts Airport;
2. (2) whether the Government paid out any other amounts in connection with this incident; if so, (a) what total amount and (b) in respect of what items?

asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:†

1. (1) Whether, in the 1986-87 financial year, any payments were made to two Kalk Bay contractors in respect of the rock lobster quota for that financial year; if so,
2. (2) whether his Department has any financial statements showing the income and expenditure in respect of rock lobster catches in that financial year; if so, (a) at which institutions were these moneys invested, (b)(i) what was the balance in the account concerned at the end of that financial year and (ii) what interest was earned on that balance and (c) when will these moneys be paid to the fishermen to whom they are due?

asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:†

1. (1) Whether the rock lobster quota granted to Kalk Bay fishermen during his predecessor’s term of office, was intended only for fishermen coming from Kalk Bay; if so,
2. (2) whether certain fishermen, whose names have been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, derived any benefit from the Kalk Bay quota while having their own quotas; if so, (a) why and (b) what are their names;
3. (3) whether a certain person, who is not a Kalk Bay fisherman and whose name has also been furnished to his Department, currently qualifies to share in the benefits of the said quota; if so, (a) why and (b) what is his name;
4. (4) whether five retired persons, particulars of whom have been furnished to his Department, are currently deriving any benefit from the yield of this quota; if so, (a) why and (b) what are the (i) names and (ii) particulars of these persons?

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

1. (1) Whether any teachers at Langa Comprehensive School have left the staff in 1988; if so, (a) how many, (b) when, (c) what are their names, (d) why, (e) what (i) subjects and (ii) classes were they teaching and (f) what were their qualifications to teach those (i) subjects and (ii) classes;
2. (2) whether any such teachers have been (a) re-employed at Langa Comprehensive School or (b) employed at other departmental schools; if not, why not; if so, (i) which teachers, (ii) at which schools, (iii) why, (iv) since when and (v) what (aa) subjects and (bb) classes are they teaching;
3. (3) whether the teachers concerned suffered any loss in salary;
4. (4) whether any teachers who left Langa Comprehensive School have been replaced; if not, why not; if so, (a) which teachers have been replaced, (b) by whom, (c) since when, (d) what (i) subjects and (ii) classes are the new teachers teaching and (e) what are their qualifications to teach such (i) subjects and (ii) classes;
5. (5) whether there has been any change in the number of pupils at Langa Comprehensive School since the beginning of this school year; if so, what change?

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether any teachers in the Cape Peninsula have been suspended from duty in 1988; if so, (a) what are their names, (b) at which schools were they teaching, (c) when did each of them start teaching in the Department’s schools, (d) what are the reasons for their suspension, (e) when last were they paid and (f) when will their cases be finalized?

Mr Chairman, arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him why Mr Mvunge, who was suspended on 28 March, has only been paid up to the end of February?

Mr Chairman, further arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, this man was suspended only on 28 March 1988. Why was he not paid for the four weeks of March that he worked? [Interjections.]

asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:

1. (1) Whether a certain hotel in Pilgrim’s Rest, the name of which has been furnished to the Department of Trade and Industry for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, is directly or indirectly controlled by any Government Department or statutory body; if so, (a) by what Department or body, (b) since when, (c) what is the nature of this control and (d) what is the name of the hotel;
2. (2) whether any stipulations or recommendations are applicable to this hotel in respect of the (a) provision of accommodation and (b) serving of (i) meals, (ii) drinks and (iii) other refreshments; if so, what stipulations or recommendations;
3. (3) whether there is any differentiation in respect of provision of services to potential customers on the basis of race or colour; if so, (a) what differentiation (b) why;
4. (4) whether any (a) other hotels and (b) resorts controlled directly or indirectly by a Government Department or a statutory body practises discrimination on the basis of race or colour; if so, (i) what hotels and resorts and (ii) why;
5. (5) whether consideration is being given to changing this state of affairs; if not, why not; if so, what steps are being considered in this regard?

Mr Chairman, arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether he is aware of a newspaper report according to which guests who were not White were turned away from being offered food and refreshments at that hotel?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply on 6 October 1987 to Question No 17, standing over from 29 September 1987, the investigation into the death on or about 21 August 1987 of a certain person in Galeshewe, Kimberley, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, has been completed; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) what were the findings and (c) what is the name of this person;
2. (2) whether an autopsy has been carried out on this person; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) what was the cause of death, (c) how many bullet wounds were found in his body and (d) where was each bullet wound located;
3. (3) whether an inquest has been held into the death of this person; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) at which magistrate’s court and (c) what were the findings;
4. (4) whether any further action is to be taken regarding this incident; if not, why not; if so, what action?

— Constitutional Development and Planning.

[Reply standing over.]

asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:

1. (1) Whether his Department has been consulted concerning the possibility of siting a new nuclear power station in Natal; if so,
2. (2) whether an environmental impact study has been conducted in this regard; if not, why not; if so, what are the implications of such a project for the (a) environment in general and (b) marine life in the area concerned in particular?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

1. (1) Whether he and/or the Administrator of the Cape Province has been informed that a retired appeal court judge was recently asked to hold an inquiry into allegations of misconduct on the part of the town clerk of Milnerton Municipality; if so,
2. (2) whether this inquiry has been completed; if so, (a) when and (b) what were the findings; if not, when is it anticipated that the inquiry will be completed;
3. (3) whether the said municipality has taken any steps as a result of this inquiry; if not, why not; if so, what steps;
4. (4) whether the findings of the inquiry will be made public; if not, why not; if so, when?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 19 on 12 April 1988, the investigation into the alleged failure of a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, to report the presence of a trained ANC terrorist to the police in terms of section 54(4)(c) of the Internal Security Act, No 74 of 1982, has been completed; if not, why not; if so,
2. (2) whether any (a) charges are to be laid and/or (b) other action is to be taken in this connection; if so, what charges and/or action;
3. (3) whether he will disclose the nature of the information regarding the contravention of the said Act on which the Police were acting at the time of this person’s detention; if not, why not; if so, what was this information?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

1. (1) Whether two persons, whose names and probable political affiliations have been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, were killed in the Ashdown area of Pietermaritzburg on or about 4 April 1988; if so, (a) when were they killed and (b) what are their names and political links;
2. (2) whether these persons were part of a group of passengers who had alighted from a police vehicle; if so, (a) what was the size of this group and (b) why were these persons being transported;
3. (3) whether this group of persons was dropped in their home area; if not, (a) in which area are their homes situated, (b) what is the distance between the home area and the point at which they were dropped and (c) why were they dropped at that point;
4. (4) whether any complaints have been received in regard to the transport arrangements made by the Police in such cases; if so, (a) from what persons or bodies and (b) when;
5. (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

— Administration and Privatization.

[Reply standing over.]

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

1. (1) Whether the officer who was second in command of the Scottburgh police station was transferred recently; if so, (a) why and (b) to which post was he transferred;
2. (2) whether he or the South African Police received a complaint from a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, regarding this police officer’s appointment; if so, (a) what was the (i) basis of this complaint and (ii) response thereto and (b) what is the name of the complainant;
3. (3) whether the Police have any information on the political links of the complainant; if so, what are they;
4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

Mr Chairman, arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, could he put this House in possession of that answer since it has not yet been circulated through Hansard?

Mr Chairman, arising from the reply of the hon the Minister in the House of Delegates, will he take questions in this House in respect of an answer that he has given in another House on this particular matter?

Mr Chairman, on a point of order: The hon the Minister knows full well that it is quite impossible to ask questions arising from the answer if the answer is circulated in the manner which he suggests. Could we therefore request that the hon the Minister accommodates this side of the House and gives us the answer that he gave to the House of Delegates?

Mr Chairman, on a point of order: The hon the Minister has given an answer that he has answered this particular question in another House. It is absolutely impossible for any of us in this House to have had sight of that particular answer. We are asking the hon the Minister to answer this question in this House so that we can ask questions arising from it. It is not a matter of whether he chooses to answer them or not. We do not even have the ability to ask any questions arising from that answer.

Mr Chairman, again on a point of order; As far as I am aware, having had sight of the question asked in another House, I certainly believe there are parts of this question which were not asked in the other House.

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 7 on 12 April 1988 on the sale of a piece of South African Transport Services land for the development of the Clarendon Gardens project in East London, he decided to sell this land to Elcorp Property Developers on the strength of certain information regarding access to and ownership of the land adjoining the Transport Services land in question; if not, (a) on the strength of what information did he take this decision and (b) by whom was it furnished; if so, (i) by whom was this information furnished, (ii) when were the Transport Services first approached by the said company regarding this land, (iii) what is the position held by the Transport Services employee who was first approached in this regard and (iv) what was the nature of the offer made by Elcorp for this land;
2. (2) whether a valuation of the land was made prior to the sale; if not, why not; if so, (a) by whom and (b) with what result;
3. (3) whether, when he made the decision to accept the Elcorp offer for the land, he had been informed that (a) there was public access to the land and (b) the adjoining land was not owned by Elcorp; if so, why did he take the decision in favour of Elcorp; if not,
4. (4) whether he intends taking any action against any member of his staff in regard to this matter; if not, why not; if so, (a) against whom and (b) what action?

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 320 on 24 August 1987, navigational aids at the airport in Lusaka are functioning properly;
2. (2) whether he has been informed of a recent statement by the Chairman of the Zambian Air Traffic Controllers’ Association on the state of the equipment and standards of safety at this airport ; if so, (a) (i) by whom and (ii) when was he so informed and (b) what was the purport of the above statement;
3. (3) whether he intends taking any action in this regard; if not, why not; if so, (a) what action and (b) when;
4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, is he aware that the Chairman of the Air Traffic Controllers’ Association in Zambia has described the conditions at this airport as being dangerous — this is a man who presumably should know—and is he also aware that it is the responsibility of the South African Department of Transport to be responsible for safety in the air, particularly where South African aircraft are concerned? SAA aircraft land at Lusaka Airport on a regular basis and therefore I believe he has a responsibility in this matter to decide whether or not the SAA should continue to use Lusaka Airport.

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s answer, he referred to a previous answer of the hon the Minister of Transport Affairs. I want to ask him if he is not aware that since that date some time ago conditions at Lusaka Airport have in fact deteriorated. Secondly, I want to ask him whether he will make it his business, or ask the hon the Minister to make it his business, to find out what the Chairman of the Air Traffic Controllers’ Association in Zambia has said, because I still submit that if we are to use this airport as a landing point for SAA, it is our duty — no matter how many other airlines use it — to ensure that it is safe for our airline.

Mr Chairman, before we proceed to questions on own affairs I would like to ask for a ruling in respect of questions on general affairs. When a question in respect of general affairs which is similar to or the same as a question asked in another House, is asked in this House, is it sufficient to refer hon members to the answer given in the other House and is there not an obligation actually to repeat the answer to the question? It bcomes a matter of principle, because obviously people in different Houses may well ask the same questions. Is it expected of an hon member to find out what has been answered in another House or is there an obligation on a Minister to answer the questions again in full so that it can be made public and available to all hon members of this House? I think it is a matter of principle rather than being of application to a particular question and therefore I ask your ruling.

Mr Chairman, on a point of order on that matter: Is it not one of the Rules of the Houses of Parliament that the same question may not be asked in more than one House? The fact that this question appears on the Question Paper of this House means that it has been ruled to be a different question to that answered in another House.

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

Whether his Department has any information or statistics on persons over the age of 60 years who died during the past three years as a direct or indirect result of (a) not having sufficient food to eat and (b) not being able to keep sufficiently warm in cold weather; if not, (i) what is his Department’s attitude to these causes of death and (ii) what attempts are being made to obtain such information or statistics; if so, (aa) what are the relevant statistics, (bb) what were the circumstances surroundng these deaths and (cc) what action is being taken in this regard?

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

1. (1) Whether his Department has estimated the amount per month required by a person over the age of 65 years for (a) food and (b) accommodation and other expenses to be able to maintain a healthy and reasonable standard of living; if so,
2. (2) (a) what are these amounts and (b) (i) when and (ii) by whom were they calculated; if not, (aa) why not and (bb) on what basis are grants and pensions calculated?

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, I should like to know whether he will provide the necessary accommodation for the 15 tramps who will appear in Pretoria next Saturday? [Interjections.]

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply to the last part of the question, calculations in respect of the amount required to maintain a healthy and reasonable standard of living are not made, how does the hon the Minister of Finance, presumably on recommendations, then decide on what levels pensions can be set? Or to possibly put it another way, how does his department know that people can actually survive on the pension levels that are paid?

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, with that as background and also the subsidies which the Department pays in respect of the three categories of old-age homes, does the Minister not think that it is essential for the Department to investigate specifically what is required for the maintenance of the aged in order to determine acceptable old-age pensions and social pensions which will enable them to survive?

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, he has said that the department cannot make a precise estimate because there are variations, and I accept that. He did say, however, that they do make estimates. Could he please tell us what the ballpark figure is that they work on?

It sounds like “Lapanomics”.

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether any schools in the (a) Cape and (b) Parow School Board areas (i) were closed or scheduled to close during or at the end of 1987 and (ii) are scheduled to close during or at the end of 1988; if so, (aa) which schools are involved, (bb) when did they close or are they to close, (cc) when were they opened originally, (dd) why are they closing, and (ee) what are the buildings and grounds to be used for, in each case?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether any teachers employed by the Transvaal Education Department have moved from teaching to clerical posts within his Department since 1 January 1988; if so, (a) how many (i) male and (ii) female teachers and (b) why in each case?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether any changes in direct or indirect financial assistance to schools in Natal (a) were effected over the past three years and (b) are due to be effected in 1988; if so, (i) what changes, (ii) when, (iii) why and (iv) what is the total amount involved?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether any regional committees in Natal have been approached to consider the closure of any schools in that province; if so, (a) which committees and (b) which schools are under consideration?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

1. (1) Whether there are any vacancies in the three senior post levels of any of the provincial education departments; if so, (a) which posts are involved and (b) for what length of time have they been vacant;
2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether any school hostels are scheduled to be closed in 1988; if not, why not; if so, (a) which hostels and (b) what total number of places in hostels are involved?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

1. (1) Whether the buildings of the old Mansfield Boys’ Primary school are unoccupied at present; if so,
2. (2) whether it is the intention to dispose of the school buildings and grounds in question; if so, when; if not, what action is envisaged in this regard;
3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?