asked the State President:†

1. (1) Whether he made any requests or gave any instructions to the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry in connection with the resignation of the former director-general of the SABC; if so, (a) when, (b) what was the purport of these requests or instructions and (c) what was that Minister’s response thereto:
2. (2) whether, either directly, indirectly or through an official of his Office, he contacted any other person to whom he made requests or gave instructions in connection with the resignation of the said director-general; if so, (a) when, (b) (i) in what manner was this person contacted and (ii) who is the person and (c) (i) what requests did he make or instructions did he give and (ii) to whom;
3. (3) whether he indicated, during the discussion he had with the said director-general in 1987 about a news broadcast involving the Chairman of the Ministers’ Council of the House of Representatives, that he wanted to have this director-general dismissed or thought that the latter must or ought to relinquish his position?

Mr Speaker, on a point of order: May I point out to you that the Hansard of the House concerned has not yet been distributed. Secondly, Sir, in terms of a decision given by the Chairman of this House it was suggested to hon Ministers that they do not refer to answers given to questions put in other Houses.

Mr Speaker, on a point of order: is this the way in which the hon the Minister replies to a question? Does he do it by implying that all the questions that…

— Constitutional Development and Planning.

[Reply standing over.]

asked the Minister for Administration and Privatisation:

1. (1) Whether a designated person in each State Department has been appointed as a “nodal point”; if so, (a) what is the function of a person so appointed, (b) (i) when and (ii) by whom were these appointments made and (c) which persons were so appointed in each Department;
2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

Mr Speaker, arising from the reply given by the hon the Minister, can he give us the exact official title of these persons?

Mr Speaker, further arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, will he please tell us whether the word “nodal” has the meaning assigned to it in the Oxford Dictionary or in Webster’s Dictionary, or whether it has a peculiar meaning which he himself has attached to the word? [Interjections.]

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:

With reference to his reply to Question No 15 on 1 March 1988, (a) which publications were involved, in the month of March 1988, in the advertising campaign in the Press aimed at presenting the Government’s proposed economic policy for the Republic and (b) what was the combined circulation figure of these publications for that month?

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 805 on 25 March 1988, a decision has as yet been taken on the request for assistance in the form of providing South African Transport Services personnel to operate and maintain the tugs Willem Heckroodt and Danie du Plessis sold to the Government of Mozambique in 1986; if so, (a) when and (b) what was the decision; if not, what are the reasons for this delay in taking a decision;
2. (2) whether Transport Services have made an appeal to personnel to volunteer for such duties in Mozambique; if so, how many personnel have responded to this appeal;
3. (3) whether Transport Services personnel will be compelled to perform such duties?

asked the Minister of National Health and Population Development:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 682 on 28 March 1988, it is sufficient for an organization applying for a temporary authority to collect contributions in terms of the Fund-raising Act, No 107 of 1978, to state merely that its objects are to handle and supervise fund-raising for another organization; if not, why was a temporary fund-raising number issued to the KwaZulu Natal Indaba Fund-raising Organization;
2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to paragraph 9 of the Auditor-General’s report on the Highveld Area Development Board for the 1985/86 financial year, the investigation into the continuation of payment of allowances of members of the above board after its abolition has been completed; if not, why not; if so, (a) when was the investigation completed and (b) what were the findings;
2. (2) whether any action is to be taken as a result of this investigation; if not, why not; if so, (a) what action and (b) when;
3. (3) who were the members of this board as at 30 June 1986;
4. (4) whether the members of any other development boards voted to continue payment of their allowances beyond 30 June 1986; if so, (a) of which boards and (b) for how long after 30 June 1986 in each case;
5. (5) whether these boards are the subject of similar investigations; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details?

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, he told us that no other members of the development board in the Transvaal received these payments. What was the situation in the other provinces?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether the Highveld Area Development Board was aware at the time of the erection of its head-office building of the intended abolition of the board with effect from 1 July 1986; if so, (a) why, (b) at what cost and (c) on whose authorization was this building erected?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

1. (1) Whether any action is to be taken by his Department regarding the unauthorized expenditure of approximately R1,2 million on a computer by the Highveld Area Development Board, as stated in paragraph 11 of the Auditor-General’s report on the said board for the 1985/86 financial year; if not, why not; if so, (a) when and (b) what action;
2. (2) what are the names of the outside bodies that provided computer services to this board during the above financial year?

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:

Whether the (a) interim and (b) final reports of the committee investigating the administration of the South African Broadcasting Corporation will be made public; if not, why not; if so, when?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, and in view of the fact that his Vote is coming up for discussion within the next few weeks and that this matter relating to the SABC is going to be duscussed during that debate, how does he expect this House to debate the SABC if information relating to it is not disclosed to hon members of this House?

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, could I ask him if he has seen this report?

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the reply of the hon the Minister, could I ask him whether he will be prepared, prior to the debate on his Vote, to impart to hon members the information which he has received?

†Mr J H VAN DER MERWE: Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, is he prepared to disclose to Parliament that part of the report which contains the findings on Mr Riaan Eksteen — the matter has had countrywide repercussions?

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:†

1. (1) Whether he or his predecessor received, either directly or indirectly, any requests and/or instructions in connection with the resignation of the former director-general of the SABC; if so, (a) (i) from whom and (ii) when, (b) what was the purport of the requests and/or instructions and (c) (i) (aa) when, (bb) where and (cc) to whom did he convey the requests and/or instructions and (ii) what was the purport of his words to such person or persons;
2. (2) whether he was in touch with the Board of the SABC before 20 April 1988 about the resignation of the said director-general; if so, (a) when and (b) what was the purport of this conversation;
3. (3) whether he intends discussing, either directly or indirectly, the question of the successor in the post of director-general of the SABC with the (a) State President and (b) Board of the SABC; if not, why not; if so,
4. (4) whether he will convey the standpoints of the State President in this connection to the Board of the SABC;
5. (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply on behalf of the State President, is he saying that the aspects with which the hon the State President dealt in his speech, cover all the questions put in Question 1?

Not “evidently”! Is it the case?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:†

Whether graduate members of the South African Police Force who have qualifications relating to police work, are being used according to their qualifications; if not, why not; if so, what percentage of such members are being so used?

asked the Minister of Communications:†

1. (1) Whether he will furnish information on the tapping of telephone conversations; if not, why not; if so,
2. (2) whether during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available his Department granted permission for the tapping of telephone conversations of members of the House of Assembly; if so,
3. (3) whether he will furnish any further information in this connection; if not, why not; if so, (a) in respect of which members, (b) when, and (c) at whose request was such permission granted, in each case?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

Whether any new members were appointed to the hospital board of Witbank during the latest specified period of 12 months for which information is available; if so, (a) what are their names and (b) on whose recommendation were they appointed?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

1. (1) Whether the self-governing territories of KwaNdebele and Lebowa have intimated to him or his Department that they are considering becoming one self-governing territory; if so,
2. (2) whether it is still the intention to add the irrigation area Rust de Winter to KwaNdebele; if so, why;
3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

asked the Minister of Defence:

Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the South African Defence Force for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, is currently in the employ of the Defence Force; if so, (a) in what capacity is he employed, (b) for how long has he been employed, (c) what is his rank, (d) what are his functions and duties, (e) where is he stationed at present and (f) what is his name?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, is currently in the employ of the Police; if so, (a) in what capacity is he employed, (b) for how long has he been employed, (c) what is his rank, (d) what are his functions and duties, (e) where is he stationed at present and (f) what is his name?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether members of the South African Police have been informed that any damages arising out of civil cases brought against them by detainees will henceforth be payable by the policemen found guilty by the courts; if so, (a) (i) in what manner, (ii) when and (iii) why and (b) what are the details of the information so conveyed to them?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 6 on 28 July 1987, his Department or the Cape Provincial Administration still intends to proclaim the Rooi Els/Betty’s Bay/Kleinmond area as a nature area; if not, why not; if so, (a) what are the boundaries of the proposed nature area, (b) what steps (i) have been and (ii) remain to be taken in this regard and (c) when is it anticipated that the proclamation in question will be issued?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, does the fact that he prefaced his answer by saying that the information was supplied by the provincial administration mean that the hon the Minister washes his hands of all responsibility for the correctness of the answer?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:†

Whether the spouses of Black members of the South African Police Force who are married according to the provisions of the Republic’s legislation on marriages, qualify to be members of the medical aid scheme of the South African Police (Polmed); if not, why not?

asked the Minister of Defence:

Whether the South African Defence Force owns a vehicle with the registration number R113-912; if so, (a) what is the make of the vehicle and (b)(i) for what purposes and (ii) where is it being used?

asked the Minister for Administration and Privatisation:

1. (1) Whether Eskom now falls under the control of his Department; if so, (a) why and (b) to what extent;
2. (2) whether any other statutory corporations or institutions have been referred to his Department with a view to privatisation; if so, which corporations or institutions?

asked the Minister of Home Affairs:†

Whether the distribution of the issues of 8 and 22 April 1988 of a certain magazine, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, was prohibited recently; if so, (a) in terms of what statutory provisions, (b) what is the nature of the material in each of these two issues on the grounds of which they were prohibited and (c) what is the name of the magazine concerned?

— Public Works and Land Affairs.

[Reply standing over.]

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether the Department of Education and Training recently received a petition from parents of pupils at the Njongo Primary School in Khayelitsha; if so, (a) on behalf of how many persons was the petition submitted and (b) what was (i) the purport of the petition and (ii) his response thereto?

asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:

1. (1) Whether any (a) fences and/or (b) gates have been installed at the Kirstenbosch National Botanical Gardens over the past year; if so, (i) what fences or gates, (ii) where, (iii) why, (iv) what was the total cost of erecting these (aa) fences and (bb) gates and (v) who made the decision to instal them in each case;
2. (2) whether any changes to the access, or conditions of access, of members of the public to these gardens were effected or are to be effected in the current year; if so, (a) what changes, (b) when, (c) why and (d) who made the decision to introduce these changes;
3. (3) whether (a) persons or organizations have and/or (b) the public at large has been consulted in respect of the proposed changes; if not, why not; if so, (i) when and (ii) what was the (aa) nature of the consultations and (bb) outcome thereof;
4. (4) whether any public meeting for the purpose of discussing the proposed changes was held is to be held; if so, (a) when, (b) at what time of day, (c) where, (d) who called the meeting, (e) how was it publicized and (f) who took the initiative in respect of such publicity;
5. (5) whether any (a) plants were stolen from, and/or (b) unauthorized late-night parties were held in, the grounds during the past year; if so, (i) what was the extent of the damage and (ii) to which police station were the incidents reported in each case?

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him in relation to the expenditure on the gates and fences whether the money that came from those other sources was given to Kirstenbosch Gardens specifically for those purposes, or for any purposes to be decided on by those in charge of the Gardens?

Mr Speaker, further arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether he is aware that the survey questionnaire was formulated by the executive director himself and is considered by the people in market research to be a totally unsuitable type of questionnaire to elicit the information required?

Mr Speaker, further arising from the hon the Minister’s original reply, may I ask him whether he is prepared to investigate the seriousness of the alleged thefts and parties in view of the fact that the executive director did not consider them serious enough to report those incidents to the police, yet is spending large sums of money and planning to deny the public access to those gardens?

asked the Minister of Justice:

1. (1) Whether condemned prisoners on their way to the gallows are accompanied by a (a) doctor and/or (b) minister of religion; if not,
2. (2) whether such prisoners are accompanied by any other person; if so, by whom?

asked the Minister of Justice:

Whether condemned prisoners awaiting execution are given any form of sedation prior to being hanged; if so, (a) what form of sedation and (b) how long before hanging is it administered?

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

1. (1) Whether milk producers are required to pay a levy to the Dairy Board; if so, (a) what is the amount of the levy and (b) who is responsible for the collection thereof;
2. (2) whether this levy is being paid by all milk producers; if not, (a) why not and (b) what categories of producers are exempted from paying the levy;
3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask whether all the agents who collect milk in controlled areas are collecting the levies from the producers in the controlled areas?

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to the reports issued and tabled in Parliament by him in terms of section 3(4) of the Public Safety Act, No 3 of 1953, it will be possible to provide lists of detainees (a) in alphabetical order and (b) with the additional identifying information of (i) addresses and (ii) places of detention; if not, why not; if so,
2. (2) whether his Ministry will provide the said lists in this manner in future; if not, why not?

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, does he suggest that the statutory provisions prevent the furnishing of this information in alphabetical order?

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s answer, would he agree that as my question is posed it is possible for the Ministry to furnish the information in alphabetical order and, if so, would the hon the Minister not agree that it would be far easier for the public to identify people in detention if the lists were furnished alphabetically?

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 5 on 15 March 1988, he (a) has been informed of, and/or (b) has received a copy of, a statement issued by a certain association in George, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, in regard to the relocation of the residents of Lawaaikamp; if not, why not; if so, (i) when, (ii) what was the purport of this statement and (iii) what is the name of the association concerned;
2. (2) whether he has received any representations from the residents of Lawaaikamp concerning their removal to Sandkraal; if so, (a) when, (b) from how many persons or organizations and (c) what was (i) the purport of these representations and (ii) his response thereto;
3. (3) whether any action will be taken against residents who do not wish to be relocated from Lawaaikamp to Sandkraal; if so, what action;
4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

asked the Minister of National Education:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 27 on 26 April 1988, all archival material relating to the Department of Foreign Affairs is regarded as closed for the period 1910 to 1955; if not, for what period is it regarded as closed; if so, (a) why and (b) when was this decision made;
2. (2) whether he will consider approaching the Minister of Foreign Affairs in connection with permitting access to part or all of the archival material of that Department; if not, why not;
3. (3) whether any restriction, other than the approval of the Minister of National Education in consultation with the Minister of Defence, is placed on access to archives of the South African Defence Force; if so, (a) what restriction and (b) when was it imposed;
4. (4) whether, in relation to South African Defence Force archives, he has at any time withheld his approval for access after consultation with the Minister of Defence; if so, (a) to which period or area of study was access refused and (b) why?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, can he give an indication as to whether any of the archives of the Department of Foreign Affairs, post 1910 — which I understand from his reply were closed as at 1980 — were ever open to the public?

We know that! [Interjections.]

asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

1. (1) With reference to the reply of the Minister of National Education to Question No 27 on 26 April 1988, (a) why did his Department request that archival material relating to the Department of Foreign Affairs be regarded as closed in terms of the Archives Act, No 6 of 1962, and (b)(i) when and (ii) by whom was this request made;
2. (2) whether he will consider permitting access to all or part of the archives of his Department; if not, why not?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, would the hon the Minister consider opening those parts of the archives of the SA Department of Foreign Affairs pertaining to countries whose archives concerning South Africa are already open?

Do your damnest then!

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 686 on 25 March 1988, the Oukasie squatter camp near Brits has been declared an emergency camp; if so, (a) why, (b) when, (c) in terms of what statutory provisions or regulations and (d) who took the decision in this regard;
2. (2) whether a house-to-house inspection of the area was conducted on or about 26 April 1988; if so, (a) by what agency, (b) why and (c) on whose instructions;
3. (3) whether any further action is to be taken in regard to this area; if so, (a) what action, (b) when and (c) why;
4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, is he aware of the fact that this is an indirect method of forcing removals for political reasons despite the assurance that was given to us by the hon the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning?

Oh, absolutely!

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, we could not hear clearly, but I just want to ask him whether there is any possibility of this squatters’ camp being removed.

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, again I could not hear very clearly. [Interjections.] I should just like to know in clear language whether or not the Government is considering removing this squatters’ camp at some stage or other.

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

1. (1) Whether any high schools in the Cape Peninsula have the physical capacity to cater for more pupils than the number currently registered at those schools; if so, (a) which schools and (b) what is their combined (i) capacity and (ii) current enrolment of pupils;
2. (2) whether any qualified high school teachers who are unable to obtain posts are available to teach in Black high schools in the Cape Peninsula;
3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether there is any good reason not to admit the hundreds of children who wish to go to school into the schools that have the vacancies?

— Defence.

[Withdrawn]

— Defence.

[Withdrawn]

asked the Minister of Justice:

1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 5 on 26 April 1988 on the appearance in the Wynberg magistrate’s court on 15 March 1988 of a number of detainees, any officials of his Department stationed at the said court were approached with the request that family members of the above detainees be admitted to the court-room; if so, by whom;
2. (2) whether this request was acceded to ; if so, (a) how many such family members were admitted and (b) how many of those admitted were unable to obtain seating?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him what the name was of the official who gave instructions that 50 policemen were to fill the court so that the family and friends had no room to sit down?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:†

Whether a Black traffic constable was present during the presentation of a lesson in or about August 1987 at a certain school in the Transvaal, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, (a) at which school, (b) why, (c) by whom the lesson presented and (d) what were the circumstances surrounding the incident?

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

1. (1) Whether certain statistical information previously contained in the reports of the Directors of Education tabled in respect of each province has been excluded from the annual report of his Department for 1987; if so,
2. (2) whether a section on education statistics as contained in his Department’s annual report for 1986 was excluded from the report for 1987; if so, (a) why, (b) what areas of statistical information were thus excluded and (c) who made the decision to exclude this statistical section;
3. (3) whether any other areas of statistical information have been excluded from the report for 1987; if so, (a) what areas, (b) why and (c) who made the decision in this regard;
4. (4) whether his Department makes available an annual statistical supplement to its departmental report; if not, why not?

Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, can he inform us whether it would not be to the advantage of Parliament as a whole that the statistical addendum to his report be made available earlier in the year so that questions posed in this House, both written and oral, need not be posed?

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, is it not correct that a statistical survey of people and staff population in schools is undertaken on the tenth schoolday of every year?