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House of Assembly: Vol7 - TUESDAY 19 APRIL 1988

TUESDAY, 19 APRIL 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For oral reply:

General Affairs:

State President:

Six members of SADF in Windhoek: certificate not to continue with criminal proceedings *1. Mrs H SUZMAN

asked the State President:

  1. (1) Whether he (a) issued or (b) authorized the issue of a certificate in terms of section 103ter of the Defence Act, No 44 of 1957, directing that criminal proceedings against six members of the South African Defence Force arising out of the death of Mr Immanuel Shifidi should not be continued; if so, (i) when, (ii) to whom was the authority given to issue the certificate, (iii) in which court had the proceedings been instituted, (iv) what were the charges against the six accused, (v) on whose authority had the proceedings been instituted, (vi) why did he authorize the issue of the certificate and (vii) what are the (aa) ranks and (bb) names of the six accused;
  2. (2) whether prior to giving the authority to issue a certificate, the matter was discussed with the Attorney-General of South West Africa; if so, (a) who discussed it with the Attorney-General and (b) what was the (i) purpose and (ii) result of the discussions; if not, why not?
 The STATE PRESIDENT:

I have authorized the Administrator-General to issue a certificate in terms of section 103ter of the Defence Act, 1957, with regard to the trial of Col Vorster, Col Welgemoed, Cmdt Botes, Lieut Prinsloo, Cpl Kashimbi and Rifleman Festus in the Supreme Court of South West Africa. In view of thematter being sub judice because of a court application in Windhoek, I am not prepared to go into the matter any further.

Ministers:

Chicken meat imported from France *1. Mr T LANGLEY

asked the Minister of Agriculture:†

  1. (1) Whether any chicken meat was imported from France in the period before Christmas 1987; if so, when;
  2. (2) whether his Department agreed to the importation of this meat; if so, (a) why and (b) what percentage of water does this meat contain per kilogram or chicken carcass;
  3. (3) whether this percentage corresponds with the permitted percentage of water which applies to locally produced chicken carcasses; if not, why not;
  4. (4) whether the imported chicken carcasses have a uniform mass; if so, (a) what is this mass and (b) to what is the uniformity ascribed;
  5. (5) whether his Department carried out investigations or had investigations carried out to establish whether this meat is suitable for human consumption ; if not, why not ; if so, with what result?
 †The DEPUTY MINISTER OF WATER AFFAIRS AND OF LAND AFFAIRS (for the Minister of Agriculture):
  1. (1) Yes, September to November 1987;
  2. (2) Yes, at the request of the trade,
    1. (a) in order to supply over the Christmas season in the expected shortage of chicken meat as a result of high mortality problems;
    2. (b) unknown — it is not practically possible to determine the exact percentage of absorbed water unless the carcass mass prior to water absorption and freezing is known;
  3. (3) falls away;
  4. (4) No;
  5. (5) No special investigations were carried out. Routine inspections are carried out on all imported meat after arrival at the port of entry and if the meat complies with the requirements it is cleared for human consumption. Imported chicken meat must originate from a poultry abattoir in the country of origin which has been approved for export purposes to the Republic by the Chief Meat Hygiene Officer of the RSA. This is in accordance with international practice. Such meat must also be accompanied by a certificate issued by a competent veterinarian of the country of origin in which is certified that —
    the meat concerned originates from such abattoir;
    the chickens from which the meat was derived, were inspected for signs of diseases prior to and after slaughtering; and
    that the meat in the consignment is fit for human consumption.
 Chicken meat served on flights of SAA *2. Mr T LANGLEY

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:†

  1. (1) Whether chicken meat formed part of meals served on flights of the South African Airways on 10 March 1988; if so, on which flights;
  2. (2) whether any of this chicken meat was imported from abroad; if so, (a) from which country and (b) what was its country of origin?
 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Yes. SA 033, SA 035, SA 234, SA 252, SA 335, SA 345, SA 367, SA 417, SA 421, SA 518, SA 619, SA 620, SA 621, SA 622 and SA 709.
  2. (2) No. (a) and (b) Fall away.
 Pietermaritzburg: discharge of special constables *3. Mrs H SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether any special constables in the Pietermaritzburg area have been discharged as a result of their alleged involvement in criminal offences; if so, (a) how many, (b) when, (c) for what alleged offences and (d) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  2. (2) whether the Police were aware of their alleged criminal offences at the time of their recruitment; if not, why not; if so, why were they employed?
 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) and (2)

Persons with previous criminal convictions or, if they have known criminal cases pending against them, are not appointed as special constables. The applications of such persons are normally summarily rejected.

A number of special constables in the Pietermaritzburg area were recently dismissed on various dates. Although they had no criminal records at the time of their recruitment, it was ascertained that they had failed to mention the fact that there were criminal cases pending against them. Investigations by the South African Police revealed this information after the training of the special constables had nearly been completed. When they returned to Pietermaritzburg, they were positively connected with the crimes and immediately dismissed.

 Upgrading of Bossiesgif Township, Plettenberg Bay *4. Mrs H SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether he intends upgrading the Bossiesgif Township in Plettenberg Bay; if not, why not; if so, (a) in what way and (b) when;
  2. (2) whether any additional land is required for the purpose of making adequate provision for the accommodation of (a) this township’s residents, (b) its overflow population and (c) the squatters currently occupying land adjacent to the main road to Knysna; if not, why not; if so,
  3. (3) whether such additional land has been acquired; if not, why not; if so, (a) where is this land situated, (b) what is the extent thereof and (c) when was it acquired?
 †The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

(1) Yes. I refer the hon member to the Press release issued by myself on 15 February 1988.

Rest of question falls away.

 Advertising campaign in Press promoting Government’s proposed economic policy: cost *5. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:

What was the cost of the current advertising campaign in the Press aimed at promoting the Government’s proposed economic policy for the Republic as at 1 April 1988 or the latest specified date for which information is available?

 †The MINISTER OF INFORMATION, BROADCASTING SERVICES AND THE FILM INDUSTRY:

R453 413,32 as at 1 April 1988.

 †Mr P W COETZER:

Mr Speaker, arising out of the reply of the hon the Minister, I want to ask him whether he is of the opinion that it is essential for an objective image of State policy to be disseminated in view of the fact that the Supreme Court has just found the CP to be responsible for the spreading of libellous untruths …

 †Mr J H VAN DER MERWE:

Look who’s talking! [Interjections.]

 †Mr P W COETZER:

… , and also what his opinion is as to what influence the libellous untruths spread against the hon member for Innesdal is having on the propaganda war of the ANC.

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, the reply to that is that an informed public is a safe public and that it is an age-old technique to divide the population with misinformation and distorted information, just as it has for years already been a proven strategy of the ANC to divide particularly the moderate White population in South Africa through misinformation.

 †Dr W J SNYMAN:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, I want to ask him whether the amount of nearly RO,5 million that was spent is in accordance with the newly announced policy of saving on State expenditure.

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, that is indeed the case in the sense that if we can succeed in conveying to the population the spirit of the hon the State President’s opening speech and his economic policy, the country will derive immense benefit from it in the financial and economic fields.

 Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, does he not think that in view of the fact that this is a Government department talking about Government policy, the advertisements that are placed are likely to be subjective and not objective?

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, in this case subjectivity and objectivity are usually things that are weighed in the mind of the observer. It is therefore very difficult to furnish a decisive reply to that question, but when one considers the spirit conveyed by the State President’s speech and what is reflected in the advertisements, one sees that there is no difference between the two. Therefore it is in fact objective in the sense that it conveys exactly the same message as the hon the State President did.

 †Mr F J LE ROUX:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, is he aware of the fact that the idea exists among the general public that this is NP propaganda for which the taxpayer has to pay? [Interjections.]

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, we did scientific research on this aspect. [Interjections.] A majority of the respondents are indeed of the opinion that the State is entitled to communicate in this way, and that money spent in that way is money well spent. [Interjections.]

 †Mr J H VAN DER MERWE:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, is he prepared to make available also to opposition parties the details of that research project which was evidently carried out at public expense? [Interjections.]

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, I can assure the hon member that this research was done 100% scientifically.

 †Mr J H VAN DER MERWE:

That is not what I asked.

 †The MINISTER:

I would like to discuss it with him personally on a confidential basis. [Interjections.]

 †Mr S C JACOBS:

Mr Speaker, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply …

 †Mr SPEAKER:

Order! I have previously ruled that five supplementary questions are the maximum.

 Replacement of unserviceable vehicles *6. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

What are the regulations governing the replacement of South African Police vehicles in the event of their becoming unserviceable in the course of a particular financial year?

 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

When a vehicle becomes unserviceable, a board of survey is held and the vehicle is withdrawn from service. Thereafter an endeavour is made to replace the vehicle in the course of that financial year and as soon as possible.

 *7. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

— Defence.

[Reply standing over.]

 Sandkraal Township, George: resident arrested/detained by members *8. Mr J VAN ECK

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether a resident of Sandkraal Township in George, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, was arrested and detained by members of the Police on or about 19 March 1988; if so, (a) (i) at what time and (ii) on what date, (b) why, (c) in terms of what statutory provisions, (d) for what alleged offences, (e) how many members of the Police were involved and (f) what is the name of the person concerned;
  2. (2) whether this person left the custody of the policemen who had arrested him; if so, (a) why, (b) at what time and (c) under what circumstances;
  3. (3) whether any members of the Police subsequently took this person to hospital; if so, (a) (i) at what time and (ii) on what date, (b) why, (c) which branch of the Police was involved and (d) (i) under what circumstances did these members find the person in question and (ii) what was his condition?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) to (3)

The arrest, admittance to hospital and death of the person concerned was thoroughly investigated by the South African Police. The Attorney-General instructed that the members of the Force concerned must be prosecuted. These members were suspended, pending their trial. Therefore the requested information is not furnished, because it may anticipate the judicial process.

 Sandkraal Township, George: resident admitted to George Hospital *9. Mr J VAN ECK

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether a resident of Sandkraal Township in George, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, was admitted to the George Hospital on or about 19 March 1988; if so, what (a) is the name of this person and (b) was the nature of his injuries;
  2. (2) whether a post-mortem was performed on this person; if so, (a) when, (b) where and (c) what was the cause of death;
  3. (3) whether the post-mortem was performed by a qualified medical doctor; if not, (a) why not and (b) (i) by whom was the post-mortem performed and (ii) what medical qualifications did this person have?
 †The MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

No.

Rest of question falls away.

 Premises in East London searched by members *10. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether any members of the South African Police conducted a search in February or March 1988 of certain premises in East London, the address of which has been furnished to the Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply; if so, (a) on what date or dates, (b) why, (c) who (i) are the registered owners of the property concerned and (ii) were the occupants of the property at the time of the search and (d) where in East London is this property situated;
  2. (2) whether the Police removed any items from the premises; if so, (a) what items and (b) why;
  3. (3) whether any traces of scheduled drugs were found on the premises; if so, (a) of what scheduled drugs, (b) what is the nature of the traces found and (c) what action was taken as a result;
  4. (4) whether any action has been or is to be taken against (a) the owners or (b) any occupants of this property; if not, why not; if so, (i) what action and (ii) when;
  5. (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) to (c) The premises at the address which was furnished by the hon member, were searched on 10 February 1988 during the course of a police investigation into an alleged crime. On the grounds of this fact the requested information is not furnished because it may prejudice the investigation.
  2. (2) No.
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
  3. (3) No.
    1. (a) to (c) Fall away.
  4. (4) (a) and (b) Not at this stage.
    1. (i) and (ii) Fall away.
  5. (5) No.
 March held in Pretoria: possible contravention of Act *11. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to the reply to Question No 25 on 21 May 1985, the investigation into a possible contravention of section 57(1) of the Internal Security Act, No 74 of 1982, as a result of a march held in Pretoria on or about 30 April 1985 has been completed; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is it anticipated that the investigation will be completed; if so, (i) who took part in the march and (ii) (aa) when was the investigation completed and (bb) what were the findings;
  2. (2) whether any persons have been charged with offences as a result of this investigation; if so, (a) who and (b) with what offences; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether any further action has been taken in connection with this march; if so, what action; if not, why not;
  4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away
      1. (i) a number of members of the public
      2. (ii)
        1. (aa) 3 June 1985
        2. (bb) A case docket was submitted to the Senior State Prosecutor for his decision.
  2. (2) No. The Senior State Prosecutor declined to institute prosecution.
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
  3. (3) No, because the Senior State Prosecutor declined to institute prosecution.
  4. (4) No.
 Formal testing of firearm-licence holders: submission of legislation *12. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

With reference to his reply to Question No 332 on 23 February 1987, when is it anticipated that legislation to make provision for the formal testing of firearm-licence holders will be submitted to Parliament?

 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

An Arms and Ammunition Amendment Bill has already been published in the Government Gazette and referred to the Standing Committee for Security Services who will deal with it shortly.

Everything possible is being done to go ahead with the legislation during the present session of Parliament.

 Group Areas Act: action taken against owners/ occupants in Cape Peninsula *13. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether any action was taken against (a) owners and (b) occupants of residential property in the Cape Peninsula in terms of the provisions of the Group Areas Act, No 36 of 1966, during the past two years; if so, (i) in what suburbs were the affected properties located, (ii) what action was taken, (iii) who initiated the action, (iv) who decided that action should be taken, (v) why was action taken, and (vi) what was the outcome of the action taken, in each case?

 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (a) and (b) Yes
    1. (i) In various suburbs in the Cape Peninsula.
    2. (ii) to (vi) In terms of section 5(c) of the Police Act, 1958 (Act 7 of 1958) the South African Police is responsible for the investigation of any offence or alleged offence.
      When the Police receive a complaint from a member of the public about any offence or alleged offence, an affidavit is obtained from that complainant and a case docket is registered. In all these instances, complaints were received from members of the public on the grounds of which case dockets were registered and investigated.
      As soon as an investigation in a case of this nature is completed, the docket is referred to the Attorney-General who decides whether or not prosecution must be instituted against the owner or occupants of that property.
 Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS:

Mr Speaker, arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether the police are authorised to issue warning in this regard in terms of offences under the Group Areas Act?

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, the police do so in the normal course of events. They would warn people not to contravene laws. In that sense the answer then is yes. However, I do not know what exactly the hon member has in mind with his question.

 Colleges of education for training of Black teachers *14. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

(a) How many colleges of education for the training of Black teachers were there under the control of his Department, and (b) how many students were enrolled in each of these colleges, as at the latest specified date for which figures are available?

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID [Reply laid upon the Table with leave of House]:

(a)

1986

1987

12

13

(b)

(i)

Soweto

843

922

(ii)

Molapo

220

214

(iii)

Indumiso

1 070

1 157

(iv)

Transvaal

851

888

(v)

Mphohadi

464

469

(vi)

Sebokeng

743

790

(vii)

Cape

586

792

(viii)

Good Hope

—

234

(ix)

Algoa

33

222

(x)

East Rand

705

710

(xi)

Kathorus

168

338

(xii)

Phatsimang

263

376

(xiii)

Kagisanong

298

459

Note: The above statistics are in respect of basic training at colleges of education under the jurisdiction of the Department of Education and Training only and exclude further training in specialized directions. Training at the universities and the Technikon is also excluded.

 Arrests of owners of reference books: suspected illegal immigrants *15. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

How many persons in possession of South African reference books were arrested by the South African Police on suspicion of being illegal immigrants in each month in 1987?

 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

If the hon member is referring to reference books issued before the commencement of the new uniform identification system in terms of the Identification Act, 1986 (Act 72 of 1986) with effect from 1 July 1986, the reply is as follows:

January 1987

88

February

71

March

66

April

71

May

84

June

60

July

60

August

87

September

103

October

95

November

93

December

106
Persons not in possession of official identity documents: arrests *16. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether any (a) White, (b) Black, (c) Coloured and (d) Indian persons were arrested for not being in possession of an official identity document in 1987; if so, (i) how many, and (ii) in terms of what statutory provision, in each case?

 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

Before I reply to this question, I wish to point out to the hon member that the South African Police do not keep record of the race of persons charged with this offence, therefore, only the total number of persons who were arrested can be supplied.

Yes.

  1. (a) to (d)
    1. (i) 1 852 persons
    2. (ii) Contravening section 32 and 40 of the Admission of Persons to the Republic Regulation Act, 1972 (Act 59 of 1972).
 Trespass: arrests *17. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

How many Black persons were arrested for trespass by the South African Police in 1987 in (a) each of the main urban centres and (b) the Republic?

 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (a) Separate statistics with regard to this type of crime in the main urban centres are not kept, therefore, I cannot furnish this information.
  2. (b) I refer the hon member to my reply to written question number 112.
 SWA: parts/areas declared operational areas *18. Prof N J J OLIVIER

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) What parts or areas of South West Africa have been declared to be operational areas for the purposes of section 103ter of the Defence Act, No 44 of 1957;
  2. (2) in terms of what proclamation or other legal instrument have such parts or areas been declared to be operational areas;
  3. (3) whether the meeting in Katatura during the course of which Mr Shifidi died, was a meeting held with the intent to commit an act or acts of terrorism as contemplated in section 103ter of the said Act?
 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENCE:

As the question relates to matters which will probably be raised in proceedings which have already been instituted in the Supreme Court of South West Africa, the Minister is not prepared to reply to the question.

 Inaugural meeting of certain forum in Cape Town: address by member of SAP *19. Mr J J WALSH

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether a member of the South African Police, whose name has been furnished to the Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, addressed the inaugural meeting of a certain forum in Cape Town on 23 March 1988; if so, (a) who was responsible for (i) calling the meeting and (ii) drawing up the agenda, (b) what was the purpose of the meeting, (c) who decided which individuals or groups should attend or be represented at the meeting, (d) how many persons (i) were invited to attend and (ii) attended the meeting, (e) to whom was the forum responsible and (f) what is the name of this (i) member and (ii) forum;
  2. (2) whether the (a) member of Parliament and (b) city councillors for the area in question were invited; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) (i) and (ii) A prominent person from the private sector.
    2. (b) To establish a community liaison forum between the private sector and the Joint Management System.
    3. (c) The person who called the meeting.
    4. (d)
      1. (i) The South African Police did not send out the invitations, therefore, this information is not at their disposal.
      2. (ii) Approximately 25 persons.
    5. (e) The forum is not responsible to a specific body, but serves as an organised liaison committee between the community and the Joint Management System.
    6. (f) (i) and (ii) The names which were furnished by the hon member.
  2. (2) (a) and (b) Not in the capacity as member of Parliament or city councillors.
  3. (3) No.
 Exemption Board/Board for Religious Objection: cost of administering *20. Prof N J J OLIVIER

asked the Minister of Manpower:

What was the cost of administering the (a) Exemption Board established in terms of section 68, and (b) Board for Religious Objection established in terms of section 72A, of the Defence Act, No 44 of 1957, for the latest specified year for which figures are available?

 The MINISTER OF MANPOWER:
  1. (a) R128 280,38
  2. (b) R62 186,87

These figures are as at 31 March 1988 and are for the 1987/88 financial year but do not include outstanding debits on the Account of the Paymaster-General.

 *21. Prof N J J OLIVIER

— Defence.

[Reply standing over.]

 Sobantu Township: arrest of 218 Black males *22. Mr M J ELLIS

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether approximately 300 persons were arrested in Sobantu Township on or about 23 March 1988; if so, (a) why and (b) how many of these persons were subsequently detained;
  2. (2) whether any of these persons were assaulted by members of the South African Police; if so,
  3. (3) whether any action has been or is to be taken against the policemen involved in such assaults; if so, what action; if not, why not?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) (a) and (b) 218 Black males were taken to a police station for questioning. Eight of these persons were positively connected with serious unrest-related crimes and detained. The other persons were returned to the places from where they were taken.
  2. (2) No.
  3. (3) Falls away.
 Ashdown, Pietermaritzburg: arrest of 259 Black males *23. Mr M J ELLIS

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether approximately 350 persons living in the Ashdown area near Pietermaritzburg were arrested on or about 21 March 1988; if so, why;
  2. (2) whether any special constables were involved in these arrests; if so,
  3. (3) whether any such constables assaulted any of these persons while they were being held under police guard at a traffic circle; if so, what was the nature of these assaults;
  4. (4) whether any action has been taken against any of the special constables involved in this incident; if so, what action; if not, why not;
  5. (5) whether members of the South African Police conducted a house-to-house search of the area; if so, (a) why and (b) on whose instructions?
 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) 259 Black males were taken to a police station for questioning. Four of these persons were positively connected with serious unrest-related crimes and detained. The other persons were returned to the places from where they were taken.
  2. (2) Yes.
  3. (3) No.
  4. (4) Falls away.
  5. (5) Yes.
    1. (a) To trace persons who have committed unrest-related crimes and seize dangerous weapons and also arms and ammunition which are used to commit unrest-related crimes.
    2. (b) The Commander of the special riot unit of the South African Police in the area.

Own Affairs:

Study of Xhosa language: not compulsory for White pupils in Cape Province *1. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether he intends making the study of the Xhosa language compulsory for White (a) primary and (b) high school pupils in the Cape Province; if so, when; if not, why not?

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

(a) and (b) No, because other African languages for instance Tswana, are also widely used in the Cape Province. Schools can, however, offer Xhosa if a suitably qualified teacher is available.

 Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS:

Mr Speaker, arising from the reply of the hon the Minister, may I ask him whether he will explain to us why pupils in the Transvaal are compelled to study either Northern Sotho, Tswana or Zulu?

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Speaker, the question asked deals with the Cape Province. If the hon member wants an answer to his question, he must put it on the Question Paper.

 Study of Zulu language: not compulsory for pupils in Natal *2. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

  1. (1) Whether the study of the Zulu language is compulsory for pupils in Standards 6 and 7 at schools falling under the Natal Education Department; if not, why not;
  2. (2) whether he intends taking any steps in this regard; if not, why not; if so, (a) what steps and (b) when?
 †The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) No, since in Natal a third language is an optional orientation subject in the junior secondary school phase. Schools can, however, offer Zulu if a suitably qualified teacher is available;
  2. (2) no, see (1),
    1. (a) and (b) fall away.
 Amount paid to Pretoria Region Housing Utility Company *3. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Local Government and Housing:

  1. (1) Whether his Department paid an amount of approximately R2 million in 1987 to a certain company, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, (a) when, (b) what were the circumstances that led to this payment being made and (c) what is the name of the company concerned;
  2. (2) whether his Department had previously suspended loans to this company; if so, (a) when and (b) why?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND HOUSING:
  1. (1) Yes;
    1. (a) 19 May 1987;
    2. (b) The Development and Housing Board has in terms of section 10(2)(b) of the Development and Housing Act approved applications by the housing utility company concerned for the erection of housing projects to an amount of R8 008 135.
      Advances for initial capital, the purchase of land and project capital to an amount of R5 732 105, was initially granted to the utility company of which R2,3 million has already been repaid to the Department.
      As a result of the shortage of Development and Housing funds, the utility company was requested on 27 March 1985 to finance the erection of as many of the planned dwellings as possible with private funds as a result of which it obtained funds by means of a bank overdraft in order to proceed with its building activities.
      Rising interest rates and the downturn in the economy in recent years resulted in the utility company experiencing cash flow problems and it requested that a funds allocation be made to relieve its interest burden.
      In order to assist the utility company a further R2 million of the approved loan was granted. As in normal circumstances this amount will be repaid as completed dwellings financed from private sources are sold;
    3. (c) Pretoria Region Housing Utility Company;
  2. (2) No;
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
 New head-office for Administration: House of Assembly in Pretoria *4. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of the Budget and Works:

  1. (1) Whether it is the intention to provide a new head-office for the Administration: House of Assembly in Pretoria; if so,
  2. (2) whether a certain firm, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, was a member of the consortium of firms originally invited to submit proposals for this project; if not,
  3. (3) whether this firm was subsequently appointed as a member of this consortium; if so, (a) what is the name of this firm, (b)(i) when, (ii) how and (iii) on what grounds was it so appointed, (c) what were the circumstances surrounding its appointment and (d) what are the names of the firms (i) originally invited to submit proposals and (ii) appointed as members of the consortium;
  4. (4) whether it has been decided to instruct the consortium to go ahead with the planning and preparation in respect of this project; if so, (a) on what date was Treasury approval obtained, (b) how does this decision tally with the policy of curtailing State expenditure and (c)(i) what total amount has been paid over by his Department to this consortium and (ii) for what purpose;
  5. (5) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 †The MINISTER OF THE BUDGET AND WORKS:
  1. (1) Yes;
  2. (2) Yes;
  3. (3) Falls away;
  4. (4) Yes, in order to consider the consortium’s proposals in relation to the norms prescribed by the Treasury Committee re Building Norms and Cost Limits. This planning stage has been completed and the consortium was requested to stop further planning pending the finalization of all further approvals;
    1. (a) Is awaited;
    2. (b) It is financially more economical for the Administration: House of Assembly to erect its own office complex than to rent accommodation. The relevant Departments are at present accommodated in different buildings all over Pretoria. The rent which is at present being paid by the Administration for office accommodation amounts to R9 million per annum, which escalates at 8% per annum;
    3. (c)
      1. (i) R405 000;
      2. (ii) Professional fees according to the table of fees for architects for work done.
  5. (5) No.
 Mr C C Reynecke/Mr P de Bie: overseas journeys undertaken *5. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Local Government and Housing:

  1. (1) Whether any senior officials of his Department undertook journeys overseas in 1987; if so, (a) who were they, (b) what was the purpose of these journeys and (c) who (i) paid for their expenses and fares and (ii) gave approval for these journeys;
  2. (2) whether any of these officials were accompanied by their wives; if so, who paid for the hotel expenses and fares of such wives;
  3. (3) whether a director of a certain company, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, accompanied any ofthe above officials on any of these journeys; if so, (a) what is the name of (i) this director and (ii) the company concerned, (b)(i) why did he accompany these officials and (ii) on what grounds was he invited to accompany them and (c) who paid for his travel and accommodation expenses?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND HOUSING:
  1. (1) Yes;
    1. (a) Mr C C Reynecke and Mr P de Bie;
    2. (b) Mr Reynecke undertook a study tour on housing to the Far East as member of a group and attended an International Housing Conference in Singapore. The tour was initiated by the Institute for Housing of Southern Africa.
      Mr De Bie attended a summer school on Town Planning and visited housing projects in England and Europe;
    3. (c)
      1. (i) The Department of Local Government, Housing and Works;
      2. (ii) The Minister on recommendation of the Director General;
  2. (2) Yes, Mrs Reynecke;
    Hotel on own expense and fare by the State in terms of Public Service Staff Code D.IV.6(1)(b)(IV);
  3. (3) No, but he was a member of the group referred to in (1)(b) above to no expense for the State;
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
 Closure of William Hartley Primary School *6. Mr M J ELLIS

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

  1. (1) Whether any regional council in the Durban areas has been approached in regard to the closure of the William Hartley Primary School; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) which regional council and (c) what decision did this council reach;
  2. (2) whether any regional council in the Durban area has been approached in regard to the establishment of a phase 1 section at the Durban Preparatory School; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) which regional council and (c) what decision did this council reach?
 †The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) No, the closure was initiated by the school committee as representative of the parents of the school. The school committee negotiated with the school committee of a neighbouring school and, as consensus was reached, the Natal Education Department was requested to close the school.
    The regional committee (there are no regional councils in Natal) was kept informed of the negotiations by a member of the regional committee who represented the ward in which the William Hartley Primary School is situated.
    The representative attended all the relevant meetings and informed the regional committee,
    1. (a), (b) and (c) fall away;
  2. (2) no,
    the decision to establish a phase 1 section at the Durban Preparatory School was taken departmentally for the following reasons:
    1. 1. geographically this school is the nearest to and overlaps the former approved area of admission of William Hartley;
    2. 2. block transfer was favoured by the Department for three reasons:
      1. (1) it would minimize the negative effects of a change of school for the pupils concerned;
      2. (2) it would allow block transfer of staff; and
      3. (3) it would facilitate control over the necessary transfer of equipment and stock, this way of handling is in accordance with the wishes of the parents of the school concerned, as expressed by the school committee.
        1. (a), (b) and (c) fall away.
 Regional committees in Natal: allocation of funds *7. Mr M J ELLIS

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether regional councils in Natal have been allocated funds with which to operate; if so, what funds; if not, (a) why not and (b) who is responsible for any costs incurred by these councils?

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

No,

  1. (a) because the NED provides for any costs incurred by regional committees (there are no regional councils in Natal);
  2. (b) see (a).
 Greater Durban area: closure of schools *8. Mr M J ELLIS

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether consideration is being given to the closure of any schools in the Greater Durban area in 1988; if so, (a) which schools are being considered and (b) what criteria are being applied in determining which schools are to close?

 †The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

No,

(a) and (b) fall away.

 Schools: charging of tuition fees *9. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:†

Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 2 on 15 September 1987, a final decision has been taken about the charging of tuition fees at schools falling under his Department; if not, (a) why not and (b) when a final decision is expected to be taken about this; if so, (i) what tuition fees have been decided on and (ii)(aa) why and (bb) when are they to be charged†

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

No,

  1. (a) the matter is still under consideration,
  2. (b) when the necessary investigation has been finalised.
    1. (i) and (ii)(aa) and (bb) fall away.
 Pretoria Boys’ High School: pupils addressed by Mr Clem Sunter of Anglo American *10. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:†

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to information furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, a certain person recently addressed Std 8, 9 and 10 pupils of a school in Pretoria; if so, (a) what is the name of the (i) school, (ii) school principal and (iii) speaker concerned and (b)(i) on behalf of what organization did this person address the pupils and (ii) what was the subject of his speech;
  2. (2) whether prior permission was obtained for the person concerned to address the pupils ; if not, why not ; if so, (a) by whom, (b) from whom and (c) when?
 †The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes,
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Pretoria Boys’ High School,
      2. (ii) Mr E M Armstrong,
      3. (iii) Mr Clem Sunter,
    2. (b)
      1. (i) although Mr Sunter is associated with Anglo American, he acted in his private capacity,
      2. (ii) an economic-futuristic projection for the year 2000;
  2. (2) no, permission was not necessary as the function was not part of the curricular programme, was organised in co-operation with the parents and took place after school hours;
    1. (a), (b) and (c) fall away.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Regional directors/inspectors/teachers employed by Department 485. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) How many (a) White and (b) Black (i) regional directors, (ii) circuit inspectors of education, (iii) regional inspectors of education, (iv) inspectors of schools and (v) teachers were in the employ of his Department as at the latest specified date for which information is available;
  2. (2) whether there are any vacancies in respect of these categories; if so, how many in respect of each category as at the latest specified date for which figures are available?
 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:

(a)

White

(b)

Black

(2)

Vacancies

(1)

(i)

Regional directors

7

Nil

Nil

(ii)

Circuit inspectors of education (Assistant director: Area Office)

39

18

3

(iii)

Regional inspectors of education (Circuit inspectors)

1

171

11

(iv)

Inspectors of Schools

Nil

Nil

Nil

(V)

Teachers

2 181

51 794

1 605

These numbers are as on 31 December 1987.

 Printing contracts awarded to two companies 825. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of National Education:

  1. (1) Whether his Department awarded any printing contracts in 1987 to two companies, the names of which have been furnished to the Commission for Administration for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, or to their associated companies and printing operations; if so, (a) in respect of what publications or printed matter, (b) how many copies of each publication or item were ordered from each company and (c) what are the names of the companies concerned;
  2. (2) whether these contracts were put out to tender; if not, (a) why not and (b) what was the total amount paid by his Department in respect of each of these contracts; if so, what was the (i) tender price originally accepted, and (ii) total amount paid out, in respect of each contract;
  3. (3) whether his Department subsidizes any publications published by the above companies; if so, (a) which publications and (b)(i) why, and (ii) what is the amount of the subsidy, in each case;
  4. (4) what total amount was spent by his Department in 1987 on printing and publishing involving (a) the above companies and (b) any other specified companies?
 The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:
  1. (1) No.
  2. (2) Lapses.
  3. (3) No.
  4. (4)
    1. (a) Lapses.
    2. (b) Pretoria Office Supplies — R291,00.
 Printing contracts awarded to two companies 837. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether the Department of Education and Training awarded any printing contracts in 1987 to two companies, the names of which have been furnished to the Commission for Administration for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, or to their associated companies and printing operations; if so, (a) in respect of what publications or printed matter, (b) how many copies of each publication or item were ordered from each company and (c) what are the names of the companies concerned;
  2. (2) whether these contracts were put out to tender; if not (a) why not and (b) what was the total amount paid by this Department in respect of each of these contracts; if so, what was the (i) tender price originally accepted, and (ii) total amount paid out in respect of each contract;
  3. (3) whether this Department subsidizes any publications published by the above companies; if so, (a) which publications and (b) (i) why, and (ii) what is the amount of the subsidy, in each case;
  4. (4) what total amount was spent by this Department in 1987 on printing and publishing involving (a) the above companies and (b) any other specified companies?
 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1) No, all contracts for printing are arranged for by the Government Printer;
    1. (a) lapses;
    2. (b) lapses;
    3. (c) lapses;
  2. (2) not applicable;
    1. (3) no;
    2. (a) lapse;
    3. (b) lapse;

(4)

(a)

Perskor :

R 68 078,34 + 12% GST = R76 247,74

Nasionale Pers:

R 51 345,00 + 12% GST = R57 506,40

(b)

Temco

R 8 494,15 + 12% GST = R9 513,44

Pretoria Printers:

R 16 001,00 + 12% GST = R17 921,12

Caxton Limited:

R 17 238,95 + 12% GST = R19 307,62

Hoofstad Pers :

R454 769,61 + 12% GST = R509 341,96

CTP Printers:

R 45 093,27 + 12% GST = R50 505,46

Rogalan Printers:

R 32 467,50 + 12% GST = R36 363,60

Barion Forms:

R 4 965,00 + 12% GST = R5 560,80

Variprint Business Forms:

R 2 400,00 + 12% GST = R2 688,00

VRB Printers:

R 8 263,15 + 12% GST = R9 254,72

INL Printers :

R 50 960,24 + 12% GST = R57 075,46

NBK Printers:

R 10 662,00 + 12% GST = R11 941,44

Vavio Plastics:

R 2 030,00 + 12% GST = R2 273,60

CPC Printers :

R 2 281,50 + 12% GST = R2 555,28

Keartlands National Printers:

R151 687,08 + 12% GST = R169 889,52
Simondium outpost prison: industrial school for Black pupils 852. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:†

  1. (1) Whether his Department purchased the Simondium outpost prison, near Paarl, to be used as an industrial school for Black pupils; if so, (a) for what amount (i) was the prison and (ii) were the grounds purchased, (b) what amount is to be spent on the creation of facilities, (c) how many pupils are catered for at present and (d) from what area will pupils be admitted to this school;
  2. (2) whether it is the intention to cater for a larger number of pupils in the future; if so, what is planned in this connection;
  3. (3) whether his Department intends taking any other action in connection with this matter; if so, what action?
 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (1) Yes (by the Department of Public Works and Land Affairs for use by the Department of Education and Training).
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Prison: R1 337 million
      2. (ii) Grounds: RO,135 million
    2. (b) Approximately R3 442 million will be spent on new facilities, including the renovation of existing buildings.
    3. (c) 210 pupils
    4. (d) countrywide
  2. (2) The maximum number of pupils in a school of industries is 360. Present planning is not for more than in (c).
  3. (3) None.
 High schools: Latin course offered for matriculation purposes 860. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

(a) How many high schools in the Republic fall under his control and (b) (i) how many of these schools offer a Latin course for matriculation purposes and (ii) (aa) what are the names of these schools and (bb) where are they situated in each case?

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT AID:
  1. (a) 368 as on 3 March 1987
  2. (b)
    1. (i) one
    2. (ii)
      1. (aa) St Mary Secondary Private School
      2. (bb) Pietermaritzburg-South
 Human Sciences Research Council: newsletter sent to schools in RSA 904. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of National Education:†

  1. (1) Whether the Human Sciences Research Council sent Newsletter No 117 of 1987 to schools in the Republic; if so, (a) when, (b) to which schools and (c) what was the purport of this newsletter;
  2. (2) whether the newsletter was made available to pupils; if so, why;
  3. (3) whether his Department subscribes to the contents of the newsletter?
 The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:
  1. (1) As far as could be ascertained the Human Sciences Research Council has not published a Newsletter No 117 of 1987.
  2. (2) Question falls away.
  3. (3) Question falls away.
 Universities: amounts paid in subsidies 930. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of National Education:

  1. (1) What amounts were paid in subsidies to each specified university in the Republic in the 1980/81 and 1986/87 financial years, respectively;
  2. (2) whether any reduction in these subsidies is being envisaged; if so, (a) when, and (b) to what extent, in respect of each university?
 The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:

(1) The following amounts were allocated in subsidies to each university in the financial years concerned:

1980/81

R’000

1986/87

R’000

University of South Africa

28 458

82 269

University of Pretoria University of the

34 899

119 762

Witwatersrand

Rand Afrikaans

32 342

105 308

University Potchefstroom

16 274

37 286

University for Christian Higher Education

14 969

49 542

University of the Orange Free State

21 359

52 532

University of Port Elizabeth

14 054

26 688

Rhodes University

8 346

23 797

University of Stellenbosch

31 224

79 590

University of Cape Town

24 799

77 815

University of Natal

24 157

72 072

University of Durban-Westville

15 843

48 934

University of the Western Cape

11 842

42 666

Medical University of Southern Africa

12 290

32 150

University of the North

10 153

38 927

University of Zululand

9 578

29 716

Vista University

28 586

University of Fort Hare

11 531

28 262

(2) No.

Primary/secondary schools: female teachers employed 949. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of National Education:

  1. (1) How many (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Black female teachers were employed in (i) primary and (ii) secondary schools in the Transvaal, Natal, the Orange Free State and the Cape Province, respectively, as at the latest specified date for which figures are available;
  2. (2) how many of these female teachers were in receipt of salaries on a par with those of their male counterparts?
 The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:
  1. (1) The numbers of female teachers that were employed on 1 November 1987 in the public ordinary school education sector are as follows:
    1. (a) White 38 759
    2. (b) Coloured 19 660
    3. (c) Indian 5 167
    4. (d) Black 71 887
      These figures include female teachers in the self-governing national states. The figures for the various provinces as well as for pre-primary, primary and secondary schools are not separately available.
      1. (i) and (ii) lapse.
  2. (2) Of these female teachers referred to in (1), about 16 000 received salaries on a par with those of their male counterparts on 1 November 1987.
 Human Sciences Research Council: new building provided 957. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of National Education:

  1. (1) Whether a new building has been provided for the Human Sciences Research Council; if so, (a) when, (b) where, (c) why and (d) at what total cost;
  2. (2) whether his Department made a contribution towards the cost of this building; if so, (a) what was the amount involved and (b) from what source was it financed?
 The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:
  1. (1) Yes
    1. (a) On 20 November 1979 approval in principle was given by Cabinet. The building was completed during August 1987.
    2. (b) 134 Pretorius Street, Pretoria.
    3. (c) The Human Sciences Research Council had to lease accommodation in four different buildings as a result of its growth. It became imperative for the efficient functioning of the HSRC that its head office be accommodated in one building, and as no existing accommodation could fill the HSRC’s needs, an own building was erected.
    4. (d) According to estimates the cost amounts to R49 902 000. The final account is awaited.
  2. (2) Yes
    1. (a) This project has been financed by means of a private loan guaranteed by the Government. The Government underook to defray the interest and capital amortization in full. The Department paid an amount of R23 386 660 to the HSRC for this purpose from the 1982/83 financial year to the 1987/88 financial year.
    2. (b) From the budget of the Department.
 Courses of study at technikons: measures to encourage persons 958. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of National Education:

Whether his Department is taking any measures to encourage Whites, Coloureds, Indians and Blacks to pursue courses of study at technikons; if not, why not; if so, what measures in each case†

 The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:

Yes. The Minister of National Education’s general policy for the financing of technikons was designed to make it possible to offer opportunities for study at technikons as reasonably as possible.

 Technikon facilities in RSA reserved for members of one population group 959. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of National Education:

Whether any technikon facilities in the Republic are reserved exclusively for use by members of the White, Coloured, Indian and Black population groups, respectively; if so, what are the relevant details†

 The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:

The Minister of National Education does not administer any law relating to the use of technikon facilities. The extent to which technikons are reserved for the exclusive use by the various population groups is an own affair.

Own Affairs:

Multi-cultural recreation courses: use of school facilities/staff for recruitment of pupils 116. Mr D S PIENAAR

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:†

  1. (1) Whether the Cape Education Department (a) encourages and/or (b) permits the use of school facilities and staff under its control for the recruitment of pupils for so-called multi-cultural recreation courses; if so,
  2. (2) whether school facilities and staff are involved in the presentation of such courses ; if so, to what extent; if not, why not?
 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

The Cape Education Department has no knowledge of “multi-cultural courses”.

  1. (1) (a) and (b) fall away;
  2. (2) falls away.
 HOUSE OF DELEGATES

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Farmers in RSA: types of farming 47. Mr J V IYMAN

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

  1. (1) As at the latest specified date for which information is available, how many farmers in the Republic were (a) solely (i)(aa) beef, (bb) mutton, (cc) wool, (dd) maize, (ee) wheat, (ff) fruit and (gg) vegetable producers and (ii)(aa) dairy and (bb) forestry farmers and (b) both (i) wool and mutton producers and (ii) grain and livestock farmers;
  2. (2) what categories of farmers were receiving (a) subsidies and (b) other specified forms of assistance from the State as at the above date?
 The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) The required particulars are not available and cannot even be gleaned from the latest agricultural census data.
  2. (2) Falls away.

Own Affairs:

Staff vacancies 27. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of the Budget:

  1. (1) Whether there are any staff vacancies in the Government Departments falling under the Administration: House of Delegates; if so, (a) why and (b)(i) how many in each specified Department and (ii) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  2. (2) (a) how many posts were there in each specified Department of the said Administration, and (b) how many such posts were filled, as at the above date?
 The MINISTER OF THE BUDGET:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a)
      1. (i) Lack of suitable candidates for certain specialised posts.
      2. (ii) Freezing of specified posts.
      3. (iii) The fact that the existing workload does not warrant the filling of certain posts.

(b)

(i) Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

50

Department of Health Services and Welfare

84

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

61

Department of Education and Culture

46

(ii)

29 February 1988.

(a)

Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

453

Department of Health Services and Welfare

699

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

335

Department of Education and Culture

12 739

(b)

Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

403

Department of Health Services and Welfare

615

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

274

Department of Education and Culture

12 693
Officials employed by Government Departments 28. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of the Budget:

(a) What total number of officials was employed by each specified Government Department falling under the Administration: House of Delegates, and (b) what total amounts were spent in respect of each such Department on (i) salaries, (ii) bonuses, (iii) leave money, (iv) gratuities, (v) subsidies and (vi) other specified forms of remuneration in respect of the above-mentioned officials, in the latest specified financial year for which figures are available?

 The MINISTER OF THE BUDGET:

(a) Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

397

Department of Health Services and Welfare

418

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

266

Department of Education and Culture

12 302

(b) (i) Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

R5 734 000

Department of Education and Culture

R238 360 000

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

R5 879 000

Department of Health Services and Welfare

R5 842 000

(ii) Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

R519 000

Department of Education and Culture

R23 298 000

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

R532 000

Department of Health Services and Welfare

R554 000

(iii) Nil.

(iv) Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

R126 000

Department of Education and Culture

R3 697 000

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

R130 000

Department of Health Services and Welfare

R15 000

(v) Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

R920 000

Department of Education and Culture

R18 463 000

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

R440 000

Department of Health Services and Welfare

R281 000

(vi) The following amounts in respect of non-pensionable allowances (excluding subsistence/transport and other incidental allowances):

Department of Budgetary and Auxiliary Services

R184 000

Department of Education and Culture

R581 000

Department of Local Government, Housing and Agriculture

R391 000

Department of Health Services and Welfare

R328 000

The figures are in respect of the 1986/87 financial year.
Allocation of sites in Chatsworth/Phoenix to displaced traders/entrepreneurs 49. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Housing:

  1. (1) Whether it is still the intention of his Department to purchase sites in (a) Chatsworth and (b) Phoenix for the purposes of allocating them to displaced traders and entrepreneurs; if so, (i) when, and (ii) what sites, in each case;
  2. (2) whether any displaced traders and entrepreneurs have been granted trading sites by his Department since 10 June 1987; if so, (a) how many, (b) what are their names, (c) at what street addresses have they been resettled, (d) what prices did they pay for these sites and (e) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  3. (3) whether any displaced traders and entrepreneurs have yet to be resettled; if so, how many as at the latest specified date for which information is available?
 The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) Yes.
    2. (b) Yes.
      1. (i) During 1988.
      2. (ii) It is not possible to indicate what sites will be purchased at this stage as this will be dependent on favourable viability studies first being obtained.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) None. Some are being finalized.
    2. (b) Falls away.
    3. (c) Falls away.
    4. (d) Falls away.
    5. (e) As at 18 March 1988.
  3. (3) Yes. 291 as at 18 March 1988, subject to confirmation.