House of Assembly: Vol7 - THURSDAY 14 APRIL 1988

THURSDAY, 14 APRIL 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Christmas cards sent out 601. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Environment Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether (a) he and/or (b) his Department sent out Christmas cards in 1987; if so, (i) what total number of cards was printed, (ii) to whom were they sent, (iii) what was the total cost of producing and distributing these cards, and (iv) who was responsible for printing them, in each case;
  2. (2) whether postage stamps were used to send out these Christmas cards; if not, how were they distributed?
The MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) (a) Yes.
  2. (1) (b) Yes.
  3. (1) (a) (i) 800.
  4. (1) (b) (i) 300.
  5. (1) (a) (ii) Ministers and Deputy Ministers; Administrators;
    Members of Parliament;
    Directors General;
    Heads of Departments;
    Rectors of Universities; Ambassadors;
    Senior Officials of the Departments of Environment Affairs and Water Affairs;
    Regional Officers of the Departments of Environment Affairs and Water Affairs;
    Ministerial Representatives; and Members of the Executive Committee for the four Provinces.
    Also to those persons and institutions from whom Christmas cards were received and to those who maintain a close relationship with the Ministry for Environment Affairs and Water Affairs.
    Furthermore, in accordance with the guidelines on rights and privileges for Ministers, Christmas cards were also sent to institutions and individuals, at the Minister’s discretion.
  6. (1) (b) (ii) Ministers and Deputy Ministers;
    Administrators;
    Directors General;
    Heads of Departments;
    Provincial Secretaries of the four Provinces; and
    Senior Officials in the Department of Environment Affairs.
    Also to institutions and statutory bodies administered or contolled by the Department and who maintain a close connection with the Department and to institutions and individuals from whom Christmas cards were received.
  7. (1) (a) (iii) R2 219,35 (Printing cost for 800 cards).
  8. (1) (b) (iii) R380,82 (Printing cost for 300 cards).
  9. (1) (a) and (b) (iv) Government Printer.
  10. (2) No, Christmas cards were distributed officially.
Non-Whites: purchase of time-share units in share-block companies 802. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:

Whether non-Whites may purchase time-share units in share-block companies holding properties in White group areas; if so, (a) in terms of what statutory provisions and (b) under what conditions?

The MINISTER OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS AND TECHNOLOGY:

Yes.

  1. (a) The Share Blocks Control Act, 1980 (Act 59 of 1980) and the Property Time-sharing Control Act, 1983 (Act 75 of 1983).
  2. (b) In terms of the provisions of the two Acts no restriction is placed on any person to buy either shares in share-block companies or time-sharing interests. The use or occupation of fixed property with regard to share-block or property time-sharing schemes by non-Whites in White areas is controlled by other legislation which falls outside the jurisdiction of the Department of Trade and Industry.
Printing contracts awarded to Printech 839. Mr D J DALLING

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether the South African Defence Force awarded any printing contracts in 1987 to two companies, the names of which have been furnished to the Commission for Administration for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, or to their associated companies and printing operations; if so, (a) in respect of what publications or printed matter, (b) how many copies of each publication or item were ordered from each company and (c) what are the names of the companies concerned;
  2. (2) whether these contracts were put out to tender; if not, (a) why not and (b) what was the total amount paid by the Defence Force in respect of each of these contracts ; if so, what was the (i) tender price originally accepted, and (ii) total amount paid out, in respect of each contract;
  3. (3) whether the Defence Force subsidizes any publications published by the above companies; if so, (a) which publications and (b) (i) why, and (ii) what is the amount of the subsidy, in each case;
  4. (4) what total amount was spent by the Defence Force in 1987 on printing and publishing involving (a) the above companies and (b) any other specified companies?
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:

(1) Yes

(a)

(b)

(c)

SA Communication Security Agency Cryptographic Instructions

500

Printech

SA Emergency Communication Guide

2 000

Printech

(2) Yes, (a) and (b) fall away

(i)

(ii)

SA Communication Security Agency Cryptographic Instructions

R16 729

*None

SA Emergency Communi-cation Guide

R12 840

R12 840

  1. (3) No, (a) and (b) fall away.
  2. (4)
    1. (a) R12 840.
    2. (b) The total amount spent on printing and publishing involving the undermentioned companies, is R1 097 510,70.
      Compuprint (Pty) Ltd
      Government Printer
      Gray’s Printer (Pty) Ltd
      Gutenberg Book Printers
      Hirt & Carter Tvl (Pty) Ltd
      Integrated Logistic Support (Pty) Ltd
      Mimosa Printers
      Prontaprint
      Publication Scan Reprodiens (Pty) Ltd
      Spicers (Pty) Ltd
      Targen Communications
      Technical Publications (Pty) Ltd
      Twilight
      Ultra Printing Services
      V & R Printers (Pty) Ltd

*No amount was paid out in 1987, because the contract was only completed in 1988.

Prisoners: bedding 856. Mr J VAN ECK

asked the Minister of Justice:

With reference to his reply to Question No 22 on 1 March 1988, (a) how many of each of the items of bedding provided to prisoners are issued to each prisoner and (b) how thick are the (i) sisal and (ii) felt mats that are provided to certain prisoners?

The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:

(a) Having regard to the local circumstances at each prison, the following items of bedding are issued to each individual prisoner, under normal circumstances;

Bed

— One per prisoner.

Mattress

— One per prisoner.

Pillows and pillowcases

— One of each per prisoner.

Sheets

— Two per prisoner who sleeps on a bed.

Blankets

— Two blankets per prisoner, which can be increased during cold climatic conditions according to need.

Bedspreads

— One per female prisoner and normally also one per hospital patient. Male prisoners are usually not issued with bedspreads.

Sleeping mats

— Prisoners who do not sleep on beds, sleep on two or more sleeping mats of which at least one must preferably be fabricated from felt due to the softness of the product. As was already mentioned, the number of mats can be increased during cold climatic conditions according to need.

(b) (i) and (ii)

The thickness of the sleeping mats is as follows:

Two felt sleeping mats = ±24 mm One sisal and one felt sleeping mat = ±42 mm

Two sisal sleeping mats = ±60 mm

For the information of the honourable member it can also be mentioned that a total of 45 791 beds are in use in South African prisons. The new prisons at Durban and Johannesburg are already equipped with beds and several older prisons are also, as far as possible, equipped with beds. All prison hospitals were, at first priority, equipped with beds.

Redundant naval vessels sold 937. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether the South African Defence Force sold any redundant naval vessels recently; if so, (a) when and (b) what vessels;
  2. (2) whether these vessels were disarmed prior to being sold; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details?
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:
  1. (1) Yes
    1. (a) and (b) The SAS PRETORIA, SAS NAUTILUS and P1558 were sold on 17 August 1987 and the P1554 on 23 March 1988. The SAS NAUTILUS and P1558 have since been returned by the owner and the sale was cancelled.
  2. (2) Yes, prior to the sale. The new owner of the SAS PRETORIA requested that a 40/60 Mk 3 cannon be made available to him for exhibition purposes. A spiked cannon was supplied on loan, after permission had been obtained from the Treasury.
National Road Fund: funds used 940. Mr R W HARDINGHAM

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

Whether funds of the National Road Fund were used for purposes other than the maintenance and construction of national roads during the latest specified period of three years for which figures are available; if so, (a) for what purposes and (b) what amounts, in each case?

The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:

Yes, in accordance with the provisions of the National Roads Act, 1971 (Act No 54 of 1971). (a) and (b) The honourable member is for the sake of completeness referred to the Financial Statements of the National Road Fund as published in the Annual Reports of the Department of Transport and of the National Transport Commission for the 1984/85, 1985/86 and 1986/87 financial years which were tabled in Parliament and wherein the required information has been published in detail.

HOUSE OF DELEGATES

†Indicates translated version.

For oral reply:

General Affairs:

Selling/allocation of houses in Umzinto North: alleged irregularities *1. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 57 of 14 August 1987, he will now make a statement on the matter of the alleged irregularities in connection with the selling and allocation of houses in the Umzinto North area?

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

The information given in the reply to Question No 57 on 14 August 1987, as furnished by the Natal Provincial Government, unfortunately seems to be incorrect and I want to apologise for this. According to further information supplied by the Natal Provincial Government only one instance of an alleged irregular allocation of a residential unit was identified. This matter was followed up administratively by the Office of the Provincial Secretary of Natal. Pending a satisfactory answer from the town council concerned, the matter could not be reported to the South African Police up to now.

Selling/allocation of houses in Umzinto North: alleged irregularities *2. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to the reply of the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning to Question No 57 on 14 August 1987, the South African Police have conducted an investigation into alleged irregularities in connection with the selling and allocation of houses in the Umzinto North area; if so
  2. (2) whether this investigation has been completed; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is it expected to be completed; if so, (i) when, (ii) what were the findings and (iii) what steps have been taken as a result;
  3. (3) whether he will furnish the name of the person who lodged the complaint that gave rise to this investigation; if not, why not; if so, what is the name of this person?
The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

(1) to (3)

This matter has up until now, not yet been reported to the South African Police.

I refer the honourable member to the reply of my colleague, the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning to question 1.

Group Areas Act: proposals concerning amendments *3. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether a technical committee of his Department has prepared and presented to him proposals concerning amendments to the Group Areas Act, No 36 of 1966; if so, what is the purport of these proposals;
  2. (2) whether these proposals have been forwarded to the Cabinet; if not, why not; if so, with what result;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) Yes. They represent an embodiment of the principles set out in the State President’s speech in the House of Assembly on 5 October 1987.
  2. (2) Yes. Proposals for appropriate amendments to the Act will be introduced during this session.
  3. (3) No.
Liquor Board: members appointed *4. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:

  1. (1) Whether, since his reply to Question No 3 on 17 April 1986, any (a) Black, (b) Indian and (c) Coloured persons have been appointed as members of the Liquor Board; if not, why not; if so, what are their names in each case;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS AND TECHNOLOGY (Dr T G Alant):
  1. (1) (a), (b) and (c) No.
    The Liquor Act, 1977 provides for the appointment of permanent and ad hoc members to the Liquor Board. At present the permanent Board members do not include any Black, Indian or Coloured persons. However, the composition of the Board is to be restructured in terms of the Liquor Bill which was published on 21 March 1988.
    As an interim measure and as was foreseen in the reply on 17 April 1986 with regard to co-option on a provincial basis, Mr A A Koobair, an Indian person of Durban, was again appointed, as in 1986, as an ad hoc member during the annual meeting for Natal held in June 1987. A representative of the Black community, Mr B Z Ndlazi, the mayor of the Black township Mamelodi, was also appointed as as ad hoc member during the annual meeting for Transvaal, held in August, September and October 1987. No response was received to an invitation for the nomination of a Coloured person to be appointed as an ad hoc member of the Board.
  2. (2) No.
Competition Board: members appointed *5. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:

  1. (1) Whether, since his reply to Question No 2 on 17 April 1986, any (a) Black, (b) Indian and (c) Coloured persons have been appointed as members of the Competition Board; if not, why not; if so, what are their names in each case;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS AND TECHNOLOGY (Dr T G Alant):
  1. (1) (a), (b) and (c) No. As was indicated in the reply of 17 April 1986, the number of posts on the Board is laid down by law. Except for the post of Chairman of the Competition Board, no vacancies occurred since the aforementioned date and no appointments or reappointments of Board members were considered.
    The post of Chairman of the Board became vacant at the end of February 1988 and negotiations concerning the appointment of a new Chairman have not yet been finalised.
    It may be added that responsibility for the Competition Board falls under the Minister of Administration and Privatisation since 31 March 1988.
  2. (2) No.
Trade Practices Advisory Committee: members appointed *6. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:

Whether, since his reply to Question No 1 on 17 April 1986, any (a) Black, (b) Indian and (c) Coloured persons have been appointed as members of the Trade Practices Advisory Committee; if not, why not; if so, what are their names in each case?

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS AND TECHNOLOGY (Dr T G Alant):

(a), (b) and (c) As far as membership of the Trade Practices Advisory Committee is concerned, the position has remained unchanged since the reply of 17 April 1986, namely that no Black person has been appointed as a member of the committee, while Messrs C T Bhoola and D Crowie from the Indian and Coloured communities, respectively, still serve on the committee.

The revision of the Trade Practices Act, 1976 has in the meantime reached a stage where it is expected that new legislation will be submitted to Parliament during the current session.

Own Affairs:

Housing Development Board: assets *1. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Housing:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 2 on 4 June 1987, the matter of the assets of the Housing Development Fund has been finalized; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is it anticipated that this matter will be finalized; if so, (i) on what date and (ii) (aa) what is the value of the assets in this fund and (bb) in respect of what date is this information furnished;
  2. (2) whether the assets in this fund were derived from (a) the Community Development Fund and (b) other sources; if so, (i) from what other sources and (ii) (aa) what amount was derived from the Community Development Fund and (bb) what percentage of the assets of the latter fund does this amount represent?
The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (1) No.
    1. (a) The Department of Public Works and Land Affairs is still busy finalising this matter. The Administration: House of Delegates is exerting all possible pressure to finalise.
    2. (b) Unknown at this stage.
      1. (i) Falls away.
      2. (ii)
        1. (aa) Falls away.
        2. (bb) Falls away.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b)
      1. (i) Falls away.
      2. (ii)
        1. (aa) Falls away.
        2. (bb) Falls away.
Mr M RAJAB:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether it is not, in fact, true that because this matter has not been finalised, none of the resources of the Housing Development Fund are available to the Ministry of the House?

The MINISTER:

I suggest that the hon member put this question in writing and I shall furnish him with a reply.

Establishment/planning/running of hospitals *2. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to his replies to Question No 17 on 24 March 1986 and Question No 1 on 4 June 1987, his Department has as yet been granted the responsibility for the establishment, planning and running of hospitals for the Indian population group; if not, (a) why not and (b) when is it anticipated that this will be done; if so, with effect from what date;
  2. (2) whether it is still the intention to build a hospital for Indian persons in Phoenix; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) where in Phoenix will it be located, (c) for what categories of patients will it cater, (d) how many beds will be provided and (e) what (i) facilities and (ii) equipment will be provided at this hospital;
  3. (3) whether he will make a further statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF HEALTH SERVICES AND WELFARE:
  1. (1) No.
    1. (a) A final decision is being awaited from the Commission for Administration.
    2. (b) Unknown.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) As soon as possible.
    2. (b) Sub 5 of Lot Aileen no. 15362 situated on the corner of Spine Road and Rockford Drive in Phoenix.
    3. (c), (d), (e), (i), (ii) and (3): Negotiations are proceeding with other Government Departments to obtain approval for the allocation of resources and to satisfy the norms that are required. Negotiations are at a delicate stage but when finalised, the Minister will make a full statement on the matter.
Mr P T POOVALINGAM:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, and having regard to the fact that the construction of a hospital in Phoenix has been delayed for something of the order of six years, may I ask the hon the Minister kindly to define what he means by “as soon as possible”?

The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, as I indicated in my last paragraph, it is now in its final stages and a statement will be issued very shortly.

Private schools: proposals for subsidization *3. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 77 on 7 September 1987, his Department has finalized its proposals for the subsidization of private schools registered with it; if not, (a) why not and (b) when are these proposals expected to be finalized; if so,
  2. (2) whether the two private schools referred to in the above reply have been granted subsidies; if not, why not; if so, (a) how much in each case and (b) what are the names of these schools?
The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) and (b) fall away.
  2. (2) No.
    The payment of subsidies as from the 1988/89 financial year is under consideration.
    1. (a) and (b) fall away.
Agricultural land at Lenasia allocated to certain person *4. Mr J V IYMAN

asked the Minister of Local Government and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether a plot of agricultural land situated at or near Lenasia in the Transvaal was recently allocated to a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, what is the (a) total area of this plot and (b) name of this person;
  2. (2) whether a building has been erected on this plot; if so, what is the floor area of the building;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) No.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
  2. (2) Falls away.
  3. (3) No.
Mr J V IYMAN:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, may I refer him to the question, which reads as follows:

  1. (1) Whether a plot of agricultural land situated at or near Lenasia in the Transvaal was recently allocated to a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, what is the (a) total area of this plot and (b) name of this person;

As I understand it, no fewer than seven persons have been allocated land in that particular area. This is a question that has been omitted and therefore I am worried about it.

The MINISTER:

In the first place, Mr Chairman, we have no agricultural land in Lenasia.

Mr J V IYMAN:

Mr Chairman, further arising from the question, would the hon the Minister state whether the press statements issued by him about agricultural land obtained and distributed to Indians in the Transvaal, particularly in Lenasia and vicinity are false or true?

The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, no statement about land allocated to anybody for agricultural purposes has been issued. There are investigations afoot at the moment.

Mr P T POOVALINGAM:

Mr Chairman, will the hon the Minister agree that if a person has been on the waiting list for 16 years and was in fact a displaced person in terms of the Group Areas Act, justice requires that that applicant be considered favourably?

The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, that question is not relevant to agriculture.

Phoenix: building of hospital *5. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 1 on 4 June 1987, the necessary authority and finances for the building of a hospital for Indian persons in Phoenix have been obtained; if not, (a) why not and (b) (i) when is it anticipated that such (aa) authority and (bb) finances will be obtained and (ii) from whom are they to be obtained in each case; if so,
  2. (2) (a) when is it anticipated that building operations will be (i) commenced and (ii) completed, (b) what amount has been made available for this purpose and (c) from whom was authority for this project obtained?
The MINISTER OF HEALTH SERVICES AND WELFARE:
  1. (1) (a) and (b) (i) (aa) and (bb) and (ii)
    The project has been approved by the Minister’s Council but must still be approved by the Cabinet. Thereafter the Treasury will be approached for a certificate concerning space norms and cost limitations. The subcommittee on capital priorities of the State President’s Committee on National Priorities will then accord the project priority. Thereafter the necessary funding will be sought from the Treasury.
  2. (2)
    1. (a)
      1. (i) As soon as possible but not before 1989.
      2. (ii) Within 4 years of commencement of building.
    2. (b) As yet none, refer to procedures outlined in (1) above.
    3. (c) Falls away.
Business sites allocated to affected traders in Lenasia *6. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Housing:

  1. (1) Whether any affected traders were allocated business sites in Lenasia during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available; if so, (a) how many and (b) what are their names;
  2. (2) whether these sites were put out to tender; if not, (a) why not and (b) what criteria were applied in allocating them?
The MINISTER OF HOUSING:
  1. (1) No. 1 March 1987 to 29 February 1988.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
  2. (2) Falls away.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.

For written reply:

Own Affairs:

Children placed in adoption 63. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

How many Indian children were placed in adoption in terms of the Children’s Act in 1987?

The MINISTER OF HEALTH SERVICES AND WELFARE:

153.

Applications for old-age pensions 64. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

  1. (1) (a) How many Indian persons applied for old-age pensions in 1987 and (b) how many of these applications (i) had been (aa) granted and (bb) refused and (ii) were still under consideration as at the latest specified date for which figures are available;
  2. (2) how many of these refusals were attributable to the assets of the applicants exceeding the limits laid down in terms of the means test;
  3. (3) how many Indian persons were receiving old-age pensions as at the end of 1987 or the latest specified date for which figures are available?
The MINISTER OF HEALTH SERVICES AND WELFARE:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) 3 876
    2. (b)
      1. (i)
        1. (aa) 3 633.
        2. (bb) 243.
      2. (ii) Nil.
  2. (2) 38.
  3. (3) 26 674.
Children in need of care 65. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Health Services and Welfare:

  1. (1) How many Indian children were found to be in need of care in terms of the Children’s Act in 1987;
  2. (2) how many of these children were placed in (a) foster care and (b) children’s homes?
The MINISTER OF HEALTH SERVICES AND WELFARE:
  1. (1) 445
  2. (2)
    1. (a) 265.
    2. (b) 180.