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House of Assembly: Vol7 - TUESDAY 12 APRIL 1988

TUESDAY, 12 APRIL 1988 HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY

†Indicates translated version.

For oral reply:

General Affairs:

State President:

SWA: status in relation to RSA *1. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the State President:

Whether South West Africa falls under his direct jurisdiction; if not, what is the status of this territory in relation to the Republic of South Africa; if so, (a) in what manner and (b) in collaboration with whom is the amount of financial aid provided by the Republic to this territory determined?

 †The STATE PRESIDENT:

I refer the hon member specifically to section 38 of the South West Africa Constitution Act, 1968 (Act No 39 of 1968) as well as Proclamation No R101 of 1985. Financial assiatance is determined by the Department of Finance, after consultation with the South West African government.

 *2. Mrs H SUZMAN

— State President.

[Withdrawn.]

Ministers:

Questions standing over from Tuesday, 29 March 1988:

Trojan Horse incident: SAP members suspended *8. Mrs H SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

Whether the members of the South African Police who were involved in the so-called “Trojan Horse” incident approximately three years ago, have been suspended from the Police Force pending the decision of the Attorney-General regarding prosecution; if not, (a) why not, (b) what duties are they performing at present, (c) where are they stationed and (d) what were the circumstances surrounding this incident?

 †The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:

No.

  1. (a) As soon as the decision of the Attorney-General is known, steps against these members will be considered.
  2. (b) Normal police duties.
  3. (c) At various police stations.
  4. (d) The circumstances were already the subject of an inquest which was held in an open court and which received wide publicity in the media. The court record is a public document which is at the disposal of the hon member.

New Questions:

J G Strijdom Hospital: Black nurse attending to Whites *1. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:†

  1. (1) Whether a Black male nurse attended to White female patients in the J G Strijdom Hospital in Johannesburg on or about 29 February 1988; if so, what were the circumstances surrounding this incident;
  2. (2) whether it is the policy of his Department that non-White male nurses attend to White female patients;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) No.
  2. (2) No.
  3. (3) Falls away.
 Provincial hospitals: motor-car travel allowances to doctors *2. Dr M S BARNARD

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether his Department pays motor-car travel allowances to all doctors working at provincial hospitals in (a) the Transvaal, (b) the Cape Province, (c) Natal and (d) the Orange Free State; if not, why not;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 †The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) No.
    1. (a), (b), (c) and (d)
      Under certain circumstances motor-car allowances are paid to doctors by the provincial authorities according to the directives of the Commission for Administration and as approved by the Treasury.
  2. (2) No.
 †Dr M S BARNARD:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, I should like to ask him whether the race of the doctor is of any importance in the granting of the travel allowance?

 †The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I am not quite sure what the purport of the hon member’s question is. I gave him an indication that there are no specific directives with regard to the payment of travel allowances, and that in certain cases the allowances are in fact paid according to the directives of the Commission for Administration.

 †Dr M S BARNARD:

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, I should like to ask him whether, in the case of doctors occupying the same posts at Baragwanath Hospital, travel allowances are paid to the White doctors, but not to the Blacks.

 †The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I cannot answer the hon member on that. That was not his question, and if he wishes to ask such a question, he must put it on the Question Paper in that form.

 Doctors at Baragwanath Hospital: letter of apology *3. Dr M S BARNARD

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether any doctors at the Baragwanath Hospital have been asked to sign a letter of apology following a letter published in September 1987 in a certain periodical, the name of which has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, (a) how many, (b) why and (c) what is the name of this periodical;
  2. (2) whether any action is to be taken against these doctors in the event of their refusing to sign such a letter of apology; if so, (a) why, (b) what action and (c) on whose authority?
 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) The doctors concerned were given the opportunity to apologise.
    1. (a) 86.
    2. (b) Due to unacceptable language and incorrect statements in the letter.
    3. (c) The South African Medical Journal.
  2. (2) Yes.
    1. (a) Due to unacceptable language and incorrect statements in the letter.
    2. (b) Letters of reprimand to each of the doctors involved.
    3. (c) The Provincial Secretary.
 Dr M S BARNARD:

Mr Chairman, arising from the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether he will tell us if these doctors have been given a letter to congratulate them on pointing out the severe overcrowding and the shortage of staff …

 The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! The hon member is making a speech. We turn now to the next question.

 Dr M S BARNARD:

Mr Chairman, may I then ask …

 The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! No. I am going on to the next question.

 Airways personnel: Aids sufferers *4. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether any precautions are taken to ensure that South African Airways personnel are not Aids carriers or sufferers; if so, what precautions;
  2. (2) whether any Airways personnel members have been identified as Aids sufferers; if so, how many;
  3. (3) whether any such personnel members have died of this disease; if so, how many;
  4. (4) in respect of what date is this information furnished?
 †The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Yes. The recommendations of the Advisory Group on Aids as set out by the Department of National Health and Population Development and Health Services are being complied with.
  2. (2) and (3). This information is regarded as confidential.
  3. (4) Falls away.
 Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Chairman, arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, if in fact there are members of the personnel of the SAA who are suffering from Aids, surely it is in the public interest to know whether or not members of the public are liable to be served by an Aids sufferer, for instance?

 The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! I cannot prescribe to the hon the Minister how he should answer his questions.

 Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

I am asking him, Mr Chairman.

 The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! No, strictly speaking the hon member is really supplying information. He cannot take that point any further.

 Mr D J DALLING:

Mr Chairman, further arising from the hon the Minister’s reply, could he advise us why he considers it to be in the public interest not to provide Parliament with an answer?

 The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I have already said that information of that kind is treated as highly confidential.

 Mr D J DALLING:

Why?

 The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! The hon the Minister is not obliged to answer supplementary questions. Therefore I am proceeding to Question No 5.

 Conference/symposium on ozone-depleting chemicals: Montreal *5. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether any representatives of the South African Government attended a conference or symposium on ozone-depleting chemicals held in Montreal in or about September 1987; if not, why not; if so, who were they;
  2. (2) whether South Africa signed a treaty limiting the production and consumption of such chemicals at the time; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) No. South Africa was not invited to attend the conference held in Montreal under the auspices of the United Nationals Environmental Programme (UNEP) since in terms of a UNEP decision of 1980 all forms of co-operation between South Africa and UNEP were suspended.
  2. (2) No. It is assumed that by “treaty” is meant the Montreal Protocol on Chlorofluorocarbons to the Vienna Convention for the Protection of the Ozone Layer (1985).
    In terms of the above-mentioned Convention a state may not become a party to a protocol unless it is or becomes at the same time a party to the Convention. South Africa did not accede to the Vienna Convention and therefore could not sign the Montreal Protocol.
  3. (3) The desirability of assession to the treaties is a matter for the consideration of my colleague the hon the Minister of Environment Affairs.
 *6. Mr P G SOAL

— Law and Order.

[Withdrawn.]

 Clarendon Gardens, East London: sale of land approved by SATS *7. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether he or any member of the South African Transport Services gave approval for the sale of a piece of Transport Services land for the development of the Clarendon Gardens project in East London to a certain company, the name of which has been furnished to the Transport Services for the purpose of the Minister’s reply; if so, (a) when, (b) why, (c)(i) what is the extent of the land involved and (ii) for what sum was it sold and (d) what is the name of the company concerned;
  2. (2) whether the land in question was sold by public auction; if not, (a) why not and (b) who took the decision in this regard;
  3. (3) whether he consulted any other (a) State Departments and/or (b) persons prior to taking this decision; if not, why not; if so, (i) what other Departments or persons, (ii) when and (iii) what was their advice in each case;
  4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) 16 March 1988.
    2. (b) The land is no longer required by the South African Transport Services.
    3. (c)
      1. (i) Approximately 1,6100 hectares.
      2. (ii) R300 000,00.
    4. (d) Elcorp cc Property Developers.
  2. (2) No.
    1. (a) There is no public access to the land concerned in which case it is the policy to alienate such land to the adjoining land owner.
    2. (b) South African Transport Services Board.
  3. (3) (a) and (b) No. Due to the absence of public access.
    1. (i), (ii) and (iii) fall away.
  4. (4) No.
 Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him, firstly, if the company to which the land was sold was the only adjacent owner to this piece of land; and secondly, if this was not the case and there were other adjacent owners, whether these other owners were offered the opportunity of buying this land?

 The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I do not know whether there were other adjacent owners, but if the hon member would like information regarding that he can table another question.

 Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Minister s reply, does he have any knowledge as to who the shareholders or directors are of the company that bought the land?

 The MINISTER:

I have no idea.

 Song: Together we’ll build a brighter future *8. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:

  1. (1) Whether the Bureau for Information had the song “Together we’ll build a brighter future” broadcast during the course of 1987; if not, why not; if so, (a) how many times, (b) by whom and (c) at what total cost;
  2. (2) whether it is the intention of the Bureau to have this song broadcast during the course of 1988; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether the Bureau plans to launch any projects similar to the above-mentioned song project in the future; if not, why not; if so, what are the details of these projects?
 †The MINISTER OF INFORMATION, BROADCASTING SERVICES AND THE FILM INDUSTRY:
  1. (1) Yes, for the period 1/1/87-31/3/87. The radio and television phase of the communication campaign in question came to a close on 31 March 1987.
    1. (a) 14 TV spots and 2 130 radio spots.
    2. (b) SABC
    3. (c) R956 440,28
  2. (2) No. The campaign came to a close on 31/3/87 (see the above answer no 1).
  3. (3) No. The campaign has been completed and has served its purpose.
 †Dr W J SNYMAN:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, I should like to know whether the Department used any method to establish that the song had a positive effect and, if so, I should like to know what method and what the result was. [Interjections.]

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I think that that question is quite far removed from the original question. However, if the hon member wishes to table such a question, I shall reply to it in full because I should not like to give a rough and ready reply to his question. I should like to give him the correct information. [Interjections.] If not, we can raise it during the discussion of the Vote.

 Mr D J DALLING:

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, I think he used the words “het sy doel gedien.” Is that correct?

 The MINISTER:

Yes.

 Mr D J DALLING:

I would just like to know what that aim was. [Interjections.]

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, the aim was to foster positive attitudes and that aim was achieved … [Interjections.]

 †The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order!

 †The MINISTER:

If hon members want me to reply, they must give me the opportunity.

 †Dr W J SNYMAN:

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, if he claims that the aim was achieved, according to what did he evaluate it?

 †The MINISTER:

We did evaluate it, but the hon member asked me exactly how we evaluated it and what the results were. I cannot at this stage give him the exact details of the research that was done, and therefore, if he is really serious in asking that question. I shall gladly reply to it on another occasion when I can given him more exact information.

 *9. Mrs H SUZMAN

— Law and Order.

[Withdrawn.]

 *10. Mrs H SUZMAN

— Constitutional Development and Planning.

[Withdrawn.]

 Cape Town Harbour area: committee investigating development *11. Mr C W EGLIN

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether a committee was appointed to investigate the development of the Cape Town Harbour area; if so, (a) when was this committee appointed, (b) what Government Departments and/or other bodies were represented on it and (c) what is the name of the (i) committee and (ii) chairman thereof;
  2. (2) whether this committee has submitted its report; if so, when;
  3. (3) whether he has considered this report; if so,
  4. (4) whether he intends making a statement on the attitude of the South African Transport Services towards the recommendations contained in this report; if so, when?
 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Yes. A committee was appointed to investigate the possibility of utilising certain parts of Table Bay Harbour for tourism and recreation purposes.
    1. (a) April 1985.
    2. (b) South African Transport Services, Department of Environment Affairs, Provincial Administration of the Cape of Good Hope and the South African Tourism Board.
    3. (c)
      1. (i) Joint Committee Investigating the Possible Utilisation of Parts of Commercial Harbours for Tourism and Recreation Purposes.
      2. (ii) Mr A.H. Burggraaf.
  2. (2) Yes. September 1987.
  3. (3) The report and recommendations are presently being studied.
  4. (4) No.
 Mofolo community health centre *12. Dr M S BARNARD

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

  1. (1) Whether the Mofolo community health centre has been completed; if so, when;
  2. (2) whether the required equipment has been installed at this centre; if so, when;
  3. (3) what has been the daily (a) bed occupancy and (b) average number of patients at the centre since its completion?
 †The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (1) Yes, during May 1987.
  2. (2) Except for one X-ray unit and a processor Mofolo Community Health Centre has been fully equipped during the 1986/87 and 1987/88 financial years. The X-ray unit and processor will be purchased and installed during the 1988/89 financial year.
  3. (3) The Mofolo Community Health Centre has not yet been commissioned due to financial restrictions.
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
 †Dr M S BARNARD:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, when is this community centre going to be taken into use?

 †The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, it will be taken into use as soon as the financial position makes it possible.

 †Dr M S BARNARD:

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, could he tell us whether the construction of that centre was then not necessary?

 †The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I think it is clear from the reply that at this stage we are dealing with the centre being taken into use on a current-expenditure basis. The capital expenditure has been approved and, as I indicated, the centre is just about complete. As soon as we are able to take it into use on a current expenditure basis, we shall do so.

 Black children: compulsory education in RSA *13. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

  1. (1) Whether there is compulsory education for any Black children in South Africa; if not, why not; if so, how many children of school-going age are (a) subject to and (b) not subject to compulsory education;
  2. (2) whether any penalties for failure to comply with compulsory education requirements are applicable to (a) parents, (b) children and (c) any other specified persons; if not, why not; if so, (i) what penalties and (ii) in terms of what statutory provisions, rules or regulations;
  3. (3) whether any persons have been (a) charged with and (b) found guilty of failing to comply with compulsory education requirement; if not, why not;
  4. (4) whether any other action has been taken in respect of persons failing to comply with these requirements; if so, (a) why and (b) what action?
 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF EDUCATION:
  1. (1) Yes, only at those primary public schools where the school committees requested it.
    1. (a) 254 155 pupils.
    2. (b) 1 669 885 pupils.
  2. (2) No, due to practical reasons in connection with the feasibility thereof section 37 of Act 90 of 1979 has not been proclaimed.
  3. (3) (a) and (b) fall away.
  4. (4) (a) and (b) fall away.
 Mr K M ANDREW:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, could he tell us what compulsory education amounts to if it is not enforced?

 †The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

We proceed to Question No 14. [Interjections.]

 Mr K M ANDREW:

Mr K M ANDREW: Mr Chairman, on a point of order: Is there a problem with the question I asked?

 The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! No, if the hon the Deputy Minister does not want to answer it, there is nothing I can do about it. That lies in his discretion. [Interjections.]

 Mr K M ANDREW:

Mr K M ANDREW: Mr Chairman, on a point of order: Perhaps you should make allowances for the fact that some hon Ministers are slow in their thinking and therefore give them sufficient time to gather their wits. [Interjections.]

 †The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! Be that as it may.

 Black students graduated as teachers *14. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

How many Black students graduated as fully qualified teachers from (a) teacher-training colleges and (b) universities at the end of 1987?

 †The DEPUTY MINISTER OF EDUCATION:

Mr Chairman, in reply to the hon member who is so quick in his thinking, the reply is:

  1. (a) 1 786 (excluding supplementary examinations)
  2. (b) 1 573

Preliminary statistics as at 7 April 1988.

NOTE: Only institutions under jurisdiction of the Department of Education and Training.

 Black teacher-training colleges: qualified applicants not admitted *15. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:

Whether any qualified applicants were not admitted to Black teacher-training colleges because of (a) lack of facilities and (b) other specified factors in 1988; if so, how many such prospective students were (i) admitted and (ii) refused admission to these colleges in 1988; if not, (aa) what is the combined capacity of these colleges and (bb) what total number of students is enrolled at present?

 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF EDUCATION:
  1. (a) Yes
  2. (b) Yes. Although applicants may qualify with respect to the general requirement namely a Senior Certificate, candidates are also selected by virtue of their suitability for the teacher profession. There are also further requirements with reference to certain fields of study.
    1. (i) 3 507
      These statistics are in respect of teacher-training colleges under the jurisdiction of the Department of Education and Training and were supplied by the rectors on 31 March 1988. This refers to the admission of first year students only.
    2. (ii) Information about applications to colleges is not readily available and is unreliable inter alia because a student often applies to more than one college at the same time.
      1. (aa) With existing facilities the combined capacity of the 14 colleges is equivalent to 9 178 students.
      2. (bb) This year there are 8 767 enrolled students. This information was also supplied by the rectors on 31 March 1988. As Daveyton only has first year students, the facilities there are not yet being fully utilized.
 Mr K M ANDREW:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, given the fact that they do not keep statistics on qualified applicants who are refused admission, may I ask him how they are able to plan new training colleges if they do not know how many people want to become teachers cannot gain admission?

 The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, we have certain demographic statistics according to which we do our planning, and we also work out the average teacher : pupil ratio. In this regard we have made certain projections up to the end of this century.

 Mr K M ANDREW:

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Deputy Minister’s reply, may I ask him whether his department has approached any other education departments, in particular the Department of Education and Culture of the Administration: House of Assembly, to admit aspirant Black student teachers who have not been able to gain admission to his department’s colleges?

 The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, as that is not the policy of this side of the House, it has not been done.

 Zwide Rent Office: receipts for arrear rentals *16. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether receipts for arrear rentals paid to the Zwide Rent Office in Port Elizabeth are issued by the said office to persons making such payments; if not, why not?

 †The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:

All payments for rentals are machine receipted on the rent cards of the respective payers. This system is applicable at all Ibhayi offices.

 Botshabelo/Ekangala: consultations before incorporation into Qwaqwa/KwaNdebele *17. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:

Whether any consultations were held with the residents of (a) Bothsabelo and (b) Ekangala before deciding to incorporate them into Qwaqwa and KwaNdebele, respectively; if so, (i) when, (ii) with whom and (iii) what was the outcome of these consultations; if not, why not?

 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING:
  1. (a) A motion application regarding the incorporation of Botshabelo into Qwaqwa has been instituted in the Orange Free State Provincial Division of the Supreme Court of South Africa. Consultation of those concerned is part of the dispute. The matter is therefore sub judice.
    Subparagraphs (i), (ii) and (iii) fall away.
  2. (b) No, formal consultations were not held with the residents of Ekangala.
    1. (i), (ii) and (iii) fall away.

Consultation with the residents is not prescribed by section 1(2) of the National States Constitution Act, 1971 (Act 21 of 1971).

 Death of Immanuel Shifidi: action against SADF-members *18. Prof N J J OLIVIER

asked the Minister of Defence:

Whether any action is to be taken against the six members of the South African Defence Force charged pursuant to the death of Mr Immanuel Shifidi; if so, (a) what action and (b) when?

 †The DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENCE:

No, (a) and (b) fall away.

 Section 29, Internal Security Act: certain person detained *19. Mr J B DE R VAN GEND

asked the Minister of Law and Order:

  1. (1) Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, was detained by the Police on or about 21 March 1988 under section 29 of the Internal Security Act, No 74 of 1982; if so, what is the name of this person;
  2. (2) whether this person was suspected of committing any offence or contravening any statutory provisions or regulations;
  3. (3) whether his detention has any bearing on the Police investigations regarding Mr Heinrich Johannes Grosskopf; if so,
  4. (4) whether he or any member of the South African Police had any reason to believe that this person would not co-operate with the Police in the above investigations; if so, (a) on what information was this suspicion based and (b) who received this information;
  5. (5) whether any charges are to be laid or any other action is to be taken against this person; if so, (a) what action, (b) when and (c) under what statutory provisions or regulations; if not, when is it anticipated that he will be released?
 The MINISTER OF LAW AND ORDER:
  1. (1) Yes. The name which was furnished by the hon member.
  2. (2) Yes.
  3. (3) Yes.
  4. (4) No, the co-operation of the person was not raised. His detention resulted from his alleged failure to report the presence of a trained ANC terrorist in the Republic to the South African Police in terms of section 54(4)(c) of the Internal Security Act, 1982 (Act 74 of 1982).
    1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
  5. (5) Not at this stage. The person was released on 30 March 1988.
    1. (a) to (c) Fall away.
 Prisons Service: language policy with regard to letters *20. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Justice:

  1. (1) Whether it is the policy of the Prisons Service to reply in English to letters addressed to in that language; if not, why not;
  2. (2) whether persons employed in this Service are required to attain a certain standard of proficiency in the English language; if so, what standard; if not, why not?
 The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:
  1. (1) Yes.
  2. (2) Yes. Before an applicant is appointed in the service it is expected of him to be able to speak, read and write both official languages satisfactorily. When he is considered for further promotion language proficiency is also taken into account.

Mr Chairman, if the hon member has any specimen in his possession on which his question is based, I suggest that before he tenders it for the attention of the House, he should discuss it with me in private because there is obviously an individual involved and it is not our policy to confirm or support any language deficiencies.

 Mr D J N MALCOMESS:

Mr Chairman, on a point of order: Earlier on during the course of questioning, the hon member for Parktown was asked to resume his seat because you considered that he was making a speech. May I ask whether in fact the hon the Minister’s speech after … [Interjections.]… he had in fact given his reply does not fall into the same category?

 The CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE:

Order! I put the next question.

 Booklet: The Rape of Peace *21. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Defence:

Whether the South African Defence Force was in any way involved in the compiling, publishing or printing of a booklet entitled “The Rape of Peace”; if so, (a) to what extent, (b) what was the purpose of producing the booklet, (c) what was the total cost incurred by the Defence Force in this regard, (d) (i) how many copies of the booklet were printed and (ii) (aa) where and (bb) when were they distributed?

 The DEPUTY MINISTER OF DEFENCE:

No, (a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away.

 Booklet: The Rape of Peace *22. Mr S S VAN DER MERWE

asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:

Whether the Bureau for Information was in any way involved in the compiling, publishing or printing of a booklet entitled “The Rape of Peace”; if so, (a) to what extent, (b) what was the purpose of producing the booklet, (c) what was the total cost incurred by the Bureau in this regard, (d) (i) how many copies of the booklet were printed and (ii) (aa) where and (bb) when were they distributed.

 †The MINISTER OF INFORMATION, BROADCASTING SERVICES AND THE FILM INDUSTRY:

No.

(a) to (d) (i) and (ii) (aa) and (bb) Fall away.

 Ciskei/RSA: consultations about permanent residence to certain person *23. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Foreign Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether there were any consultations between the Government of Ciskei and the South African Government on the granting of permanent residence to a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply; if so, what is the name of the person concerned;
  2. (2) whether, at the time of these consultations, the South African Government was aware of this person’s criminal record; if so,
  3. (3) whether he and/or his representatives gave any advice to the Government of Ciskei in this regard; if so,
  4. (4) whether he will disclose particulars of the advice so given ; if not, why not ; if so, what was the purport of this advice;
  5. (5) whether any persons made representations through the South African Government to the Government of Ciskei regarding this application for permanent residence; if so, who?
 The MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) No.
  2. (2), (3), (4) fall away.
  3. (5) No.

Own Affairs:

Clarendon Gardens, East London: sale of land to developers *1. Mr R M BURROWS

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

  1. (1) Whether the Cape Education Department has given any consideration to selling a piece of land in East London to the developers of the Clarendon Gardens complex; if so, (a) when, (b) why, (c)(i) where is this land situated and (ii) what is the extent thereof and (d) for what purpose was the land being used;
  2. (2) whether a decision has been taken regarding the sale of this land; if so, (a) what is this decision, (b) when will the sale be concluded and (c) by whom was the decision taken;
  3. (3) whether this land is to be sold by public auction; if so, when; if not, (a) why not and (b)(i) to whom, (ii) for what amount and (iii) when will it be sold;
  4. (4) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 †The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:
  1. (1) No,
    1. (a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away;
  2. (2) falls away;
  3. (3) falls away;
  4. (4) no.
 White children: compulsory education in RSA *2. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

  1. (1) Whether there is compulsory education for any White children in South Africa; if not, why not; if so, how many children of school-going age are (a) subject to and (b) not subject to compulsory education;
  2. (2) whether any penalties for failure to comply with compulsory education requirements are applicable to (a) parents, (b) children and (c) ahy other specified persons; if not, why not; if so, (i) what penalties and (ii) in terms of what statutory provisions, rules or regulations;
  3. (3) whether any persons have been (a) charged with and (b) found guilty of failing to comply with compulsory education requirements; if not, why not;
  4. (4) whether any other action has been taken in respect of persons failing to comply with these requirements; if so, (a) why and (b) what action?
 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

(1) Yes,

(a)

(b)

Cape

: 190 297

35 797

Natal

: 95 258

16 545

OFS

: 63 993

13 048

Transvaal

: 433 119

75 149;
  1. (2)
    1. (a) yes,
    2. (b) yes, but only within the disciplinary measures of the school,
    3. (c) yes, guardians, foster parents, and members of the public,
      1. (i) in terms of the Education Ordinance concerned,**
      2. (ii) the Education Ordinance concerned;**
  2. (3)
    1. (a) yes,
    2. (b) yes;
  3. (4) yes,
    1. (a) to meet the requirements of the ordinance,
    2. (b) prior to prosecution parents are warned to comply with the ordinance.

** It is expected that these measures will be replaced by means of uniform legislation.

 Mr K M ANDREW:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him which categories of White children of school-going age are not subject to compulsory education?

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, the ordinance stipulates that children become of school age from the year in which they turn seven. There are, however, exceptions where children are already allowed to attend school before that time. As far as the second group, actually the biggest group, is concerned, school attendance is only compulsory until the age of 16 years or matriculation. There are many children who are over 16 years of age but who are still in standard nine or matric, and school attendance is not compulsory for them.

 White students graduated as teachers *3. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

How many White students graduated as fully qualified teachers from (a) teacher-training colleges and (b) universities at the end of 1987?

 †The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

(a)*

(b)*

2 457

2 224

* includes all teaching students who have completed their initial studies by obtaining either a diploma or a degree.

 White teacher-training colleges: qualified applicants not admitted *4. Mr K M ANDREW

asked the Minister of Education and Culture:

Whether any qualified applicants were not admitted to White teacher-training colleges because of (a) lack of facilities and (b) other specified factors in 1988; if so, how many such prospective students were (i) admitted and (ii) refused admission to these colleges in 1988; if not, (aa) what is the combined capacity of these colleges and (bb) what total number of students is enrolled at present?

 The MINISTER OF EDUCATION AND CULTURE:

(a) No,

(b) yes, due to the application of quotas,

(i)

(ii)

Cape

239

461

Natal

163

338

OFS

58

132

Transvaal

1 488

1 097

These statistics should be evaluated against the fact that many of the prospective students submit applications to various training institutions. Past experience has shown that, if all the applicants were allowed to enrol, the number of students that would report would be appreciably smaller than the number reflected in column (ii)

(aa)

(bb)

Cape

2 450

1 282

Natal

1 700

850

OFS

600

404

Transvaal

8 150

6 088
Mr K M ANDREW:

Mr Chairman, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, may I ask him, with reference to the spare capacity at these teachertraining colleges and his statement earlier this year that there was no intention of further rationalisation at that stage, what he has in mind in respect of these hundreds if not thousands of empty places? Does he have any thoughts on how that excess capacity might be used?

 †The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, the whole matter is constantly being monitored and watched.

 Mr R M BURROWS:

Mr Chairman, further arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, could he indicate whether the figures he has provided apply to teacher colleges for initial training only, or whether they include those for further eduction?

 The MINISTER:

Mr Chairman, I referred to initial training only.

For written reply:

General Affairs:

Value of dairy/meat/wheat products imported 81. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

What was the value of the (a) dairy, (b) meat and (c) wheat products imported by the Republic during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available?

 The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:
  1. (a) During the 12 months that ended on 29 February 1988, permits for the importation of 11 313 tonnes of powdered milk, 4 664 tonnes of cheddar cheese and 976 tonnes of exotic cheese were issued whilst butter to the value of R4 488 539,00 was imported;
  2. (b) during the 12 months that ended on 31 December 1987, permits for the importation of 26 804 tonnes of beef, lamb, mutton and pork were issued;
  3. (c) during the 12 months ending on 30 September 1987, permits for the importation of 7 607 tonnes of wheat products were issued.

It is however not known whether the quantities of agricultural products indicated on the permits were actually imported or what the values thereof were.

 Agricultural products: shortages 217. Mr R J LORIMER

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether there are any shortages of agricultural products at present or any such shortages are expected in 1988; if so, of which products;
  2. (2) what in each case are the (a) reasons for such shortages and (b) price implications;
  3. (3) what steps have been taken or are contemplated in each case to (a) counter the effect of such shortages and (b) avoid them in future?
 The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes, in addition to agricultural products such as rice, tea, coffee, cocoa-beans etc, in respect of which the Republic is not self-sufficient, shortages of oilseeds, cotton, dairy products and red meat were experienced during 1987 whilst shortages of red meat are expected during 1988.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) In all cases the shortages can be ascribed to the drought of 1987 and the preceeding years.
    2. (b) Due to low world market prices, the products concerned were imported at such relatively low prices that it did not have an increasing effect on the local consumer prices. It is expected that this situation will also continue during the rest of 1988.
  3. (3)
    1. (a) The expected shortage of red meat will be overcome by imports.
    2. (b) The severe drought experienced over the past years drastically reduced livestock numbers and it is therefore not expected that the production will already meet the demand for red meat during 1988. The present high meat prices will however ultimately stimulate production.
 Agricultural products: surpluses 218. Mr R J LORIMER

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether there are any supluses of agricultural products at present or any such surpluses are expected in 1988; if so, of which products;
  2. (2) what in each case are the (a) reasons for such surpluses and (b) price implications;
  3. (3) what steps have been taken or are contemplated in each case to (a) counter the effect of such surpluses and (b) avoid them in future?
 The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) Yes, there are at present surpluses in respect of maize, wheat and rooibos tea. During 1988 a surplus of rooibos tea is expected.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) The surplus in respect of —
      1. (i) maize is ascribed to the fact that reasonably favourable climatic conditions were experienced in the production areas and surpluses are produced under normal climatic conditions;
      2. (ii) wheat is caused by the good climatic conditions in the production areas; and
      3. (iii) rooibos tea was caused by the collapse of the export market during 1985/86.
    2. (b) the relatively low export price of maize resulted in a decrease in the producers price. The surplus wheat is applied for carry-over supplies. The selling prices of maize and wheat were not reduced. The surplus rooibos tea affected the producers price determentally but the selling price was maintained at a reasonable level.
  3. (3) (a) and (b)
    1. (i) The Maize Board issues price scenario’s prior to the planting season as a guide to producers in respect of the expected producer prices for different crop sizes. In addition thereto a land switch-over scheme was implemented with the purpose to withdraw approximately 1 million hectares of land from cash crop production.
    2. (ii) During normal years the production and consumption of wheat is in equilibrium. The Wheat Board informed producers of the financial implications which may result from a wheat surplus.
    3. (iii) To combat surplusses and to prevent over-production the Rooibos Tea Control Board imposed a delivering regulating scheme in terms of which the quantities to be delivered are restricted.
 Farms comprising missile-testing range, Southern Cape: cost of purchase 526. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Public Works and Land Affairs:

(a) What was the total cost to the State of the purchase of the farms comprising the missile-testing range in the Southern Cape and (b)(i) what were the names of the farms and (ii) who were the owners of these farms at the time of sale?

 The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS AND LAND AFFAIRS:
  1. (a) R27 029 888,00
  2. (b) (i)
    1. 1.
      1. (a) Portion 14 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm Dolla’s Downs No 264;
      2. (b) Portion 15 (Portion of Portion 2) of said farm;
      3. (c) Portion 16 (Portion of Portion 4) of said farm, all situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    2. 2. Farm No 324, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    3. 3.
      1. (a) Portion 2 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm Eilands Valley A No 172;
      2. (b) Portion 2 of the farm Uys Hoek No 173;
      3. (c) Portion 3 (Annex Buffels Vlei) of the farm Buffels Fontein No 170;
      4. (d) Portion 3 of the farm Uys Hoek No 173, all situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    4. 4.
      1. (a) Remainder of the farm Buffels Fontein No 170;
      2. (b) Remainder of the farm Eilands Valley A, No 172, both situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    5. 5.
      1. (a) Remainder of Portion 1 of the farm Buffels Fontein No 170;
      2. (b) Portion 6 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm No 169;
      3. (c) Portion 12 (Portion of Portion 3) of the farm No 169, all situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    6. 6.
      1. (a) Remainder of Portion 2 (Rys Punt) of the farm Buffels Fontein No 170;
      2. (b) Portion 5 (Portion of Portion 2) of the said farm, both situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    7. 7. Farm No 352, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    8. 8.
      1. (a) Remainder of Portion 1 of the farm Klip Fontein No 64;
      2. (b) Portion 4 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm Buffels Fontein No 170;
      3. (c) Remainder of Portion 11 (Schipskop) (Portion of Portion 2) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64;
      4. (d) Remainder of Portion 2 of the farm Klip Fontein No 64;
      5. (e) Remainder of Portion 12 (Annex Martha) (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, all situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    9. 9. Portion 1 of the farm No 325, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    10. 10. Remainder Portion 2 of the farm No 169, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    11. 11.
      1. (a) Portion 13 (De Puts) (Portion of Portion 2) of the farm No 169;
      2. (b) Portion 14 (Portion of Portion 2) of the farm No 169. both situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    12. 12. Remainder of Portion 3 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm No 169, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    13. 13. Remainder Portion 1 of the farm No 169, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    14. 14. Remainder Portion 4 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm No 169, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    15. 15.
      1. (a) Remainder Portion 8 (Portion of Portion 7) of the farm No 169;
      2. (b) Portion 9 (Portion of Portion 4) of the farm No 169, both situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    16. 16.
      1. (a) Portion 17 (Portion of Portion 8) of the farm No 169;
      2. (b) Portion 9 (Portion of Portion 2) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, both situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    17. 17. Portion 7 (Portion of Portion 4) of the farm No 169, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    18. 18. Remainder Portion 10 (Klip Fontein) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    19. 19.
      1. (a) Portion 8 (Lang Vlei) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64;
      2. (b) Portion 12 (Annex Lang Vlei) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64;
      3. (c) Portion 14 (Bos Kop) (Portion of Portion 10) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, all situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    20. 20. Remainder of the farm No 75, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    21. 21. Remainder of the farm Reimerskraal No 323, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    22. 22.
      1. (a) Remainder of the farm Ramers Dam No 77;
      2. (b) Remainder of the farm Skihaven No 377;
      3. (c) Portion 1 of the farm Skihaven No 337 (now known as Skihaven Town), all situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    23. 23. Remainder Portion 17 (Rossebaai) (Portion of Portion 11) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    24. 24. Portion 19 (Portion of Portion 11) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    25. 25. Portion 30 (Portion of Portion 17) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    26. 26. Portion 21 (Portion of Portion 20) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    27. 27. Portion 22 (Portion of Portion 20) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    28. 28.
      1. (a) Portion 28 (Portion of Portion 25) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64;
      2. (b) Portion 33 of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, both situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    29. 29. Portion 23 (Portion of Portion 20) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    30. 30. Portion 24 (Portion of Portion 20) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    31. 31. Portion 26 (Portion of Portion 25) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    32. 32. Portion 27 (Portion of Portion 25) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    33. 33. Portion 2 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm No 81, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    34. 34. Remainder Portion 1 of the farm No 81, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    35. 35.
      1. (a) Portion 9 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm Dolla’s Downs No 264;
      2. (b) Portion 8 (Portion of Portion 2) of said farm;
      3. (c) a Portion of Remainder Portion 7 (Portion of Portion 4) of said farm, all situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    36. 36. Portion 29 (Portion of Portion 17) of the farm Klip Fontein No 64, situated in the Division of Bredasdorp.
    37. 37. Portion 28 (Portion of Portion 16) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    38. 38.
      1. (a) Remainder Portion 14 of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516;
      2. (b) Portion 27 (Portion of Portion 16) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, both situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    39. 39.
      1. (a) Remainder Portion 1 (Cupidos Kraal) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516;
      2. (b) Portion 30 (Portion of Portion 1) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, both situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    40. 40. Remainder Portion 29 (Portion of Portion 16) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    41. 41. Portion 57 (Portion of Portion 29) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    42. 42. Portion 58 (Portion of Portion 29) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    43. 43. Portion 59 (Portion of Portion 29) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    44. 44. Portion 60 (Portion of Portion 29) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    45. 45. Portion 61 (Portion of Portion 29) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    46. 46. Remainder Portion 4 (Hammer Kop) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    47. 47.
      1. (a) Remainder Portion 6 (Oude Kraal) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516;
      2. (b) Remainder Portion 5 (Eiland Pad) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516;
      3. (c) Remainder Portion 31 (Portion of Portion 5) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, all situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    48. 48. Portion 18 (Portion of Portion 5) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    49. 49.
      1. (a) Remainder Portion 9 (Papekuils Fontein) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516;
      2. (b) Remainder Portion 11 (Wit Water) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, both situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    50. 50. Remainder Portion 37 (Portion of Portion 9) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    51. 51. Portion 71 of Remainder Portion 7 (Gras Rug) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    52. 52. Portion 46 (Portion of Portion 4) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    53. 53.
      1. (a) Portion 23 (Blou Krans) (Portion of Portion 11) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516;
      2. (b) Portion 35 (Portion of Portion 31) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, both situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    54. 54.
      1. (a) Portion 20 (Nutsie) (Portion of Portion 5) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516;
      2. (b) Portion 21 (Nutsie West) (Portion of Portion 5) of said far;
      3. (c) Portion 22 (Nutsie East) (Portion of Portion 5) of said farm;
      4. (d) Portion 24 (Portion of Portion 6) of said farm;
      5. (e) Portion 26 (Portion of Portion 5) of said farm, all situated in the Division of Swellendam.
    55. 55. Portion 25 (Portion of Portion 6) of the farm The Potteberg Estates No 516, situated in the Division of Swellendam.
  3. (b) (ii)
    1. 1. Estate late H B Pratt
    2. 2. Waenhuisstrand Beleggings (Pty) Ltd
    3. 3. P K A Pratt
    4. 4. H D Jackson
    5. 5. Rheboksvlei Landgoed (Pty) Ltd
    6. 6. A V Louw
    7. 7. Kaapse Wildverspreiders (Pty) Ltd
    8. 8. Hottentots Holland Estates (Pty) Ltd
    9. 9. E de Kock
    10. 10. M F Tobias
    11. 11. Pieter Pratt Boerdery (Pty) Ltd
    12. 12. P J Lourens
    13. 13. J U Swart
    14. 14. A H Muller
    15. 15. L C van Papendorp
    16. 16. D J van Papendorp
    17. 17. Estate late J W Groenewald
    18. 18. H L Schaary
    19. 19. D Uys en M van Papendorp Uys
    20. 20. A A van Blommestein
    21. 21. Mrs D M Uys
    22. 22. Wonderwonings (Eiendomme) Limited
    23. 23. W T Nefdt (2/119th share) Estate late D Nefdt (2/119th share)
      J Nefdt (2/119th share)
      Estte late A J Wilson and surviving spouse J J Wilson (2/119th share)
      Estate late H E Groenewald
      (2/119th share)
      E B Liebenberg (2/119th share) G F Steyn (105/238th share) G J Loubser (105/238th share) Estate late P J Nefdt and surviving spouse J C D Lourens (2/119th share)
    24. 24. Dutch Reformed Church Bredasdorp
    25. 25. Oyster Bay Investments (Pty) Ltd
    26. 26. H B Gibson en R W Beaumont
    27. 27. W J Norman
    28. 28. E J Curry
    29. 29. NJ Human
    30. 30. H J Groenewald en Mrs J Vermeulen
    31. 31. G A Barnard
    32. 32. W J Bester
    33. 33. D J van Papendorp
    34. 34. L C van Papendorp
    35. 35. W P Loubser
    36. 36. Andato Beleggings (Pty) Ltd
    37. 37. Potberg Annex (Pty) Ltd
    38. 38. W J de Wet
    39. 39. Lekkerwater Holdings (Pty) Ltd
    40. 40. Twenty-Nine Potteberg (Pty) Ltd 4L Fifty-Seven Potteberg (Pty) Ltd
    41. 42. F C A Property Investments (Pty) Ltd
    42. 43. Potberg Beleggings (Pty) Ltd
    43. 44. Whare Moana (Pty) Ltd
    44. 45. A Hennings
    45. 46. Hamerkop Nature Reserve (Pty) Ltd
    46. 47. J P D Hamilton
    47. 48. W J de Wet
    48. 49. Mrs D E G van Eeden
    49. 50. Witklip Estates (Pty) Ltd
    50. 51. R B du Preez
    51. 52. V R V O L Bergh
    52. 53. P F en J P Dreyer
    53. 54. P R S Scott, G S G Scott en W N R Schreiner
    54. 55. Overburg Enterprises (Pty) Ltd.
 Overseas visits 572. Mr P G SOAL

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether he or the Deputy Minister of Defence undertook any overseas visits in 1987; if so, (a) which countries were visited and (b) what was the purpose of each visit;
  2. (2) whether he or this Deputy Minister was accompanied by any representatives of the media on these vists; if so, (a) what were the names of the journalists involved, (b) which newspapers or radio or television networks did they represent, (c) to which countries did each of these persons accompany him or this Deputy Minister and (d) why;
  3. (3) whether any costs were incurred by the South African Defence Force as a result; if so, what total amount in that year?
 The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:
  1. (1) Yes, only in respect of the Minister of Defence.
    1. (a) Paraguay
      Switzerland
      Austria
    2. (b) Paraguay and Switzerland. To strengthen mutual relations.
      Austria. Private
  2. (2) No, (a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away
  3. (3) Falls away.
 Powdered milk/cheese/butter imported 857. Mr R W HARDINGHAM

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

What quantities of (a) powdered milk, (b) cheese and (c) butter were imported during the latest specified 12-month period for which figures are available?

 The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:

During the 12 months ending on 29 February 1988, permits for the importation of (a) 11 313 tonnes of powdered milk, (b) 4 664 tonnes of cheddar cheese and 976 tonnes of exotic cheese were issued, whilst (c) 1 656,7 tonnes of butter were imported. It is however not known whether the quantities specified on the permits were actually imported.

 Beef/lamb and mutton/pork imported 858. Mr R W HARDINGHAM

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

What quantities of (a) beef, (b) lamb and mutton and (c) pork were imported during the latest specified 12-month period for which figures are available?

 The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:

During the 12 months ending on 31 December 1987, (a) 24 495 704 kg beef, (b) 825 871 kg lamb and mutton and (c) 1 483 000 kg pork were imported.

 Foreign nationals: members of New Railways and Harbours Superannuation Fund 873. Mr D J N MALCOMESS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) (a) How many foreign nationals recruited in countries abroad by the South African Transport Services are members of the New Railways and Harburs Superannuation Fund, (b) what is the cost to the Transport Services of their membership of this fund and (c) what contributions are made to the fund by (i) these and (ii) other staff members;
  2. (2) whether the Transport Services contribute to social security funds in countries abroad on behalf of the staff members in question; if so, at what cost to the Transport Services per annum?
 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) 544
    2. (b) R675 692,20 in respect of February 1988.
    3. (c)
      1. (i) None.
      2. (ii) 7,5 per cent of their monthly pensionable emoluments.
  2. (2) Yes. R2 964 412 for the 1987/88 Financial year.
 Strikes: man-days lost/losses 880. Mr A GERBER

asked the Minister of Manpower:?

(a) How many man-days were lost in 1985, 1986 and 1987, respectively, as a result of strikes and (b) what are the estimated losses suffered as a result of these strikes in each of these years?

 The MINISTER OF MANPOWER:

(a)

1985

641 296

1986

1 161 846

1987

5 626 602*

* The wage strikes which took place in the mining industry during August 1987 were responsible for 66 per cent of mandays lost. (Above-mentioned figures do not include work-stoppages.)

(b) Statistics on losses incurred owing to strikes are not available.

 Employees: extra employment 927. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether employees in the South African Transport Services are permitted to (a) take on extra employment and (b) participate in any type of business of their own; if so,
  2. (2) whether this permission is granted subject to any conditions; if so, what conditions?
 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) (a) and (b) Yes.
  2. (2) Yes. It is a condition that such activities do not in any way interfere with their offiical duties, that it is undertaken outside their normal working hours, and that it is not in conflict with the interests of Transport Services in general.
 Delays in departure of SAA flights: amount lost 932. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

What amount is it estimated was lost in terms of (a) business and (b) man-hours (i) in the (aa) 1984-85, (bb) 1985-86 and (cc) 1986-87 financial years, and (ii) as at the latest specified date in the 1987-88 financial year for which information is available, as a result of delays in the departure of South African Airways flights?

 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:

An estimation is not possible.

 Chartering of aircraft by SAA: date on which introduced 933. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

(a) On what date was the chartering of aircraft by the South African Airways introduced and (b)(i) what has been the profit or loss to the Airways since the introduction of this practice and (ii) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (a) 1 December 1987.
  2. (b)
    1. (i) The accumulated profit of S.A. Airways amounts to R142,709 million.
    2. (ii) 29 February 1988.
 Charter/leasing of Airways aircraft: moneys outstanding to SAA 935. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

Whether there are any moneys outstanding to the South African Airways in respect of the charter and/or leasing of Airways aircraft ; if so, (a)(i) what amounts were involved, and (ii) for what periods were they outstanding, in respect of the latest specified period of 12 months for which information is available and (b) how did this state of affairs compare with the terms of the relevant charter and/or leasing agreement?

 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:

No. (a)(i), (ii) and (b) Fall away.

 SAA: leasing of aircraft to other countries 936. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether the South African Airways are leasing aircraft to other countries; if so, when was this decision taken;
  2. (2) whether this practice has any effects on the domestic flight capacity of the Airways; if so, (a) to what extent and (b) what revenue could have been earned in the latest specified financial year if these aircraft had been available for domestic flights;
  3. (3) whether this practice has resulted in the Airways having to purchase new aircraft; if so, what are the relevant details?
 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) Yes, August 1985.
  2. (2) No. (a) and (b) Fall away.
  3. (3) No.
 Africans’ residing in Transvaal/Cape Province 953. Mr C J DERBY-LEWIS

asked the Minister of Home Affairs:

(a) How many (i) North Sotho, (ii) Tswana and (iii) Zulu-speaking Africans reside permanently in the Transvaal, (b) how many Xhosa-speaking Africans reside permanently in the Cape Province and (c) in respect of what date is this information furnished?

 The MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS:
  1. (a)
    1. (i) 884 150
    2. (ii) 989 714
    3. (iii) 1 296 406
  2. (b) 1 246 555
  3. (c) 1980 Population Census.
 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

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General Affairs:

Financial assistance to farmers: total value in rand 6. Mr T ABRAHAMS

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

  1. (1) What is the total value in rand of the financial assistance provided by the State in the 1987-88 financial year to (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Black farmers in each of the four provinces of the Republic;
  2. (2) (a) how many hectares of agricultural land were registered in the names of (i) White, (ii) Coloured, (iii) Indian and (iv) Black farmers, and (b) how many (i) Whites, (ii) Coloureds, (iii) Indians and (iv) Blacks were actively engaged in farming, in each of the four provinces of the Republic as at the latest specified date for which information is available;
  3. (3) how many (a) White and (b) Coloured farmers were sequestrated during the latest specified period of 10 years for which information is available?
 The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) R296,1 million (by the Administration: House of Assembly — Department of Agriculture and Water Supply)
    2. (b) R0,49 million (by the Administration: House of Representatives)
    3. (c) None, but Indian farmers could share in an appropriation of R10 million in respect of the Natal floods. The Administration: House of Delegates provided an amount of R10,04 million for assistance to Indian farmers during 1988/89.
    4. (d) I have been informed that the Department of Development Aid does not keep the particulars in the form required by the question.
      (Amounts totalling R943,7 million have also been appropriated under various programmes of different departments (for instance in respect of fuel subsidy, export incentive, etc) for the benefit of the agricultural industry in general. The particulars regarding financial assistances to farmers are not separately available in respect of each province)
  2. (2)
    1. (a) I have been informed that the Department of Public Works and Land Affairs does not keep the particulars in the form required by the question.
    2. (b) The required information is not readily available.
  3. (3) I have been informed that the Department of Justice does not keep particulars in the form required by the question.
 HOUSE OF DELEGATES

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General Affairs:

Farm/domestic workers: application of provisions of Labour Relations Act 29. Mr M RAJAB

asked the Minister of Manpower:

  1. (1) Whether, with reference to his reply to Question No 2 on 27 August 1987, he will furnish information on the report of the National Manpower Commission relating to the possible application of the provisions of the Labour Relations Act, No 28 of 1956, to farm and domestic workers; if not, why not; if so, (a) what are the names of the (i) bodies and (ii) persons involved in the inquiry into this matter and (b) what were the main findings;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
 The MINISTER OF MANPOWER:
  1. (1) No, because consultations with organized agriculture have not yet been finalized.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.
  2. (2) No.
 Indians appointed as cabin attendants/clerks 34. Mr K CHETTY

asked the Minister of Transport Affairs:

  1. (1) How many Indians were employed by the South African Airways as (a) air and (b) ground hostesses as at the latest specified date for which figures are available;
  2. (2) whether these (a) air and (b) ground hostesses are members of the permanent staff; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether, since his reply to Question No 28 on 17 April 1987, any further steps have been taken to employ these persons on a permanent basis; if not, why not; if so, what progress has been made in this regard;
  4. (4) what is the longest period for which any Indian air or ground hostess has been employed by the South African Airways?
 The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT AFFAIRS:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) Six
    2. (b) Nine
      As at 25 March 1988.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) Yes.
    2. (b) Two are members of the permanent staff. The remaining seven have not as yet completed two years service which is a requirement for all employees, irrespective of race, for appointment to the permanent staff.
  3. (3) Yes. All employees, irrespective of race, are employed on an equal basis.
  4. (4) Nine years and nine months.

The designations of air hostess and ground hostess have been changed to cabin attendant and clerk respectively.

Own Affairs:

Applications from farmers for agricultural land in Lenasia 34. Mr J VIYMAN

asked the Minister of Local Government and Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether, during the latest specified 12-month period for which figures are availabe, his Department received any applications from Indian farmers or prospective Indian farmers for the allocation of agricultural land in or near Lenasia in the Transvaal; if so, (a) when and (b) what are the names of the applicants;
  2. (2) whether any such applications were refused; if so, (a) when, (b) why and (c) what are the names of the applicants concerned?
 The MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND AGRICULTURE:

(1) Yes.

(a)

Date of application

(b) Name of applicant

20 May 1987

Mr S P Kana

28 July 1987

Mr M Changelryan

19 August 1987

Mecdina Investments

30 November 1987

Mr P Runjithji

18 January 1988

Mr N Papaya

3 February 1988

Mr G Ramaya

(a) Falls away.

3 February 1988

Mr R G Naidoo

(b) Falls away.

As from 1 March 1987 to 29 February 1988.

(c) Falls away.

(2) No.