1. (1) Yes
   1. (a) On account of their continued membership of the Afrikaner-Weerstandsbeweging.
   2. (b) By giving them notice that their services in the Reserve Police Force are being terminated.
   3. (c) Seven reservists.
2. (2) No, because similar instances have not yet come to the attention of the South African Police.

Mr Speaker, I am not aware of any complaints lodged by Adv Pieterse.

Mr Speaker, there are other questions on this matter as well on the Question Paper for today. If the hon member will sit quietly for a little while, he will perhaps feel happier as soon as he has heard the replies to those.

Mr Speaker, I think the hon member should rather put that question to my colleague, the hon the Minister of Defence. [Interjections.]

Order!

Mr Speaker, I have indicated that there are other questions on this matter to which I shall reply. The hon member can also wait calmly until he hears those further replies [Interjections.]

On 29 February 1988, the figures were as follows:

1. (a) 278
2. (b) 296

(1) and (2)

I visit various prison institutions in the course of my duties and sometimes talk to groups or individuals. In the process I have also had contact with Mr Nelson Mandela.

1. (1)
   1. (a) No
   2. (b) Yes. A number of members of the Reserve Police Force were requested to indicate whether they were members of the Afrikaner-Weerstandsbeweging.
2. (2) Yes. They were given the choice of resigning from the Afrikaner-Weerstandsbeweging or resigning as members of the Reserve Police Force.
3. (3) No.
4. (4) Yes. Seven members of the Reserve Police Force were informed that their services were going to be terminated.

Mr Speaker, I shall , still in replying to question 16 — which is a question of the hon member for Green Point— deal with the whole matter of the AWB and our action in this connection. I really suggest that the hon member for Soutpansberg waits until I get there, because he may get clarity then.

Mr Speaker, I supplied the hon member with a full reply and I shall let my reply suffice.

Order! The hon member for Soutpansberg’s last comment was not a question but a complaint against the hon the Minister that he did not originally reply fully enough to his question. This is what the House is dealing with at the moment, and not with a specific question by the hon member to the hon the Minister.

Mr Speaker, I have already indicated that in my reply to question 16 I shall respond fully to questions which the hon member for Green Point has put to me about what the policy is and so on. I suggest that the hon member sits quietly now, because he will hear the replies shortly.

Mr Speaker, again I should like to tell the hon member nicely and slowly that in my reply to question 161 shall reply exactly to what he is asking. He will then have clarity in this connection. [Interjections.]

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) Ster-Kinekor Theatres (Pty) Limited.
   2. (b) That commercial cinemas in certain centres be opened on Sundays to show selected films.
2. (2) It has been learnt that the people concerned are preparing further motivation for their representations.

Yes

1. (a) Two years.
2. (b) Lance Corporal.

1. (1) No.
2. (2) Falls away.
3. (3) No.

1. (1) Before Heads of Diplomatic Mission are appointed in South Africa, customary international law requires that approval of the appointment be obtained from the State President. When applicaiton is made for such approval, a curriculum vitae of the nominee is submitted by the sending State and this is investigated further.
   In the case of other members of the staff of diplomatic missions, customary international law dictates that the sending State may freely appoint the members of the staff of the mission, except in the case of military, naval or air attachés where the receiving State may require their names to be submitted beforehand for its approval. This procedure is followed in South Africa and the past of persons whose names are submitted for approval is investigated by the relevant authorities before such approval is given.
2. (2) Not to the knowledge of the relevant authorities.
3. (3) Falls away.
4. (4) Falls away.

Yes.

1. (a) Sufficient special constables to supplement permanent members of the South African Police so that law and order can be effectively maintained.
2. (b) Since 1 June 1987.
3. (c) Special constables are employed to guard schools and other strategic buildings. They are also employed during crime prevention actions.
   However, I regret the fact that in certain circles, deliberate campaigns have been launched to discredit special constables. This is being done with evil intentions in order to jeopardize the good relations that exist between them and the majority of law-abiding residents of black townships.
   I wish to emphasize that since special constables were first deployed in the Black townships, there has been an increasing decline in unrest-related incidents and ordinary crime.
   Their presence in the Black townships is welcomed by the majority of law-abiding residents. They are a stumbling-block to the radical and criminal elements because they effectively curb their criminal activities.
   Should the hon member or any of the hon members of this House approach me, I am prepared to share with them information which I have at my disposal in respect of how the law-abiding communities experience the presence of special constables in the Black townships in a positive manner.

Mr Speaker, as far as I know, no complaints have been received, but the hon member will understand that it is not possible for me to give an accurate answer off the cuff. If she cares to put that question on the Question Paper, however, I will reply to it.

(a) and (b) No.

(1) and (2)

In order to compile and process this information, it will be necessary to check the records of the South African Police country-wide. This would be a voluminous and time-consuming task which could not be economically justified. Therefore, I am not prepared to furnish this information.

1. (a) R110 415,49.
2. (b) 31 December 1987.

(a), (b) and (c) Yes, for the present volume of traffic using the road. Should traffic volumes increase the road will be suitably improved and/or maintained. No decision had to be taken since these are the facts.

For the hon member’s information it is pointed out that only the section between Nottingham Road and Hidcote of the alternative road to the N3 has to be used to avoid paying toll at Mooi River.

1. (1) Yes.
2. (2) Yes.
   1. (a) 25 March 1988.
   2. (b) By the State and the relevant Consortium.

1. (a) As the relevant road does not fall under the jurisdiction of the Department of Transport this information cannot be supplied.
2. (b) (i) and (ii) The Natal Provincial Administration.

Mr Speaker, should a request be made, it will, of course, be considered.

1. (1) The Bureau for Information has no knowledge of this matter.
   1. (a) Falls away.
   2. (b) (i) and (ii) Fall away.
   3. (c) Falls away.
2. (2) The Bureau for Information has no knowledge of this matter.
   1. (a) Falls away.
   2. (b) (i) and (ii) Fall away.
   3. (c) Falls away.

Yes. Burning objects thrown in waste bins can ignite flammable objects, such as paper. Special announcements which bring this aspect to the attention of passengers are also made on each flight of S.A. Airways as an additional safety measure.

Of the latest fire/smoke detectors are installed in aircraft on S.A. Airways and the efficiency of this equipment are tested on a regular basis. Aforementioned measures have been introduced in order to ensure the safety of passengers as far as possible.

1. (1) Yes
   1. (a) One charge of common assault.
   2. (b) 13 May 1987.
2. (2) Yes. The case docket was submitted to the Senior State Prosecutor for a decision.
   1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
3. (3) No. The Senior State Prosecutor declined to institute prosecution.
   1. (a) and (b) Fall away.

1. (1) The hon member will appreciate that in matters of this nature, particularly as regards the possibility of discussions with Angola, I am simply not in a position to give definitive replies to the categorical questions put by the hon member.
2. (2) No, not at this stage.

(1) and (2)

When a person applies for enlistment in the South African Police and during selection it becomes evident that he is a member of an unregistered political party or a movement, organisation, body or association with political aims, this fact will adversely affect his application.

In the case of members of the Force, there are clear instructions that prohibit membership of and participation in the activities of an unregistered political party or a movement, organisation, body or association with political aims. These instructions are explicitly brought to the attention of new members when they are taken into service. Thereafter they are regularly reminded of this fact during staff lectures. (In terms of section 1 of the Police Act, 1958 (Act 7 of 1958) a member of the Reserve Police Force is also a member of the Force while serving in the Force.)

When it is brought to the attention of the South African Police that a permanent member of the Force contravenes instructions with regard to membership of an unregistered political party or a movement, organization, body or association with political aims, departmental steps in terms of the Police Regulations are taken against that member. Such a member cannot be summarily dismissed. However, should he persist in his membership or activities, the instructions make provision that a Board of Enquiry can be held to determine whether the member concerned is fit to remain in the Force. The merits of each instance are considered individually.

When it is brought to the attention of the South African Police that members of the Reserve Police Force are contravening the instructions with regard to membership of an unregistered political party or a movement, organization, body or association with political aims, their services are terminated in accordance with the provisions of the Regulations for the Reserve Police Force by giving them notice of such termination of services.

I wish to point out to the hon member that since the establishment of the South African Police in 1913, they have followed a policy of disciplined impartiality in the execution of their statutory duties. This policy of impartiarlity is proved by the loyalty they have maintained through the years towards the government of the day. It is a policy of which they are very proud because it best serves the interests of a mutli-racial South Africa with its diverse social, cultural and religious customs.

To strictly abide by this policy is in itself a very difficult task. Therefore the South African Police cannot allow members of the Force to also be members of unregistered political parties or movements, organizations, bodies or associations which pursue radical and extremist political goals and demand undivided loyalty from their members.

Even if such an organization should register or start functioning as a political party, and the activities and goals of such party are so radical and extremist that membership thereof is incompatible with membership of the South African Police, the necessary steps will be taken to prevent this clash of loyalties.

The Afrikaner-Weerstandsbeweging is an organization which from its statements of policy at my disposal, clearly indicates that it pursues radical and extremist political goals and demands undivided loyalty from its members.

These radical and extremist political goals cannot be reconciled with the policy of impartiality of the South African Police. A person who is loyal to the Afrikaner-Weerstandsbeweging or any other radical organization cannot serve the interests of South Africa’s multi-racial society impartially.

1. (1) No
   1. (a) to (g) Fall away.
2. (2) Falls away.
3. (3) No, but to the Attorney-General of the Transvaal in Pretoria.
   1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
      1. (i) 11 March 1988.
      2. (ii) On 22 March 1988 the Attorney-General declined to prosecute.
4. (4) Not by the South African Police.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) 7 March 1988.
   2. (b) A press statement by the Chairman of the Board of the Disaster Relief Fund.
   3. (c) Because the possible contravention of the provisions of the Fund-raising Act, 1978 (Act 107 of 1978) by a certain organization was brought to the attention of the Board and to enlighten the public on the relevant provisions of the Act.
2. (2) Yes.
   1. (a) Fifty-three persons/bodies/organizations were authorised in terms of section 21(2)(b) of the Fund-raising Act, 1978 to collect funds on behalf of the Board of the Disaster Relief Fund. The list is as follows:
      The Mayor, Bothaville
      Our Times, Jeffreys Bay
      Markinor, Johannesburg
      The Mayor, Warmbaths
      Pietermaritzburg and District Community Chest
      Building Societies — Official Association of SA.
      Department of Education and Culture: House of Assembly
      Byrds Aye Gifts, Isando
      Municipality, Ladysmith
      The Mayor, Randfontein
      Kofsgem, Bloemfontein
      Scott Retail, Durban
      Municipality, Carletonville
      Municipality, Makwassie
      Medical Superintendent, Groote Schuur Hospital
      Sinodale Kommissie vir die Diens van Barmhartigheid, Bloemfontein
      Kleurbladsyekoerant, Pretoria
      The Mayor, Schweizer-Reneke
      The Mayor, Randburg
      Wimpey, Umhlanga Rocks
      The Mayor, Westonaria
      Malabar Natal Disaster Fund
      Eastern Cape Islamic Congress, North End
      The Mayor, Senekal
      The Mayor, Port Elizabeth
      Brackenham Social Club, Empangeni
      The Mayor, Pretoria
      Manuels Restaurant, Birnam
      Saiva Sithanpha Sungum, Lenasia Town Clerk, Umzinto North
      Girl Guides, Rustenburg
      Actonville Welfare Aid, Dunswart
      Department of Posts and Telecommunications, Pretoria
      The Mayor, Uitenhage
      The Mayor, Tweeling
      Geology Department, Orange Free State University
      Stigting Jan van Riebeeck, Cape Town
      The Mayor, Wepener
      SABC, Johannesburg
      Jean Cutten, Johannesburg
      Sparletta Bottling Co, Alberton
      The Mayor, Pietermaritzburg
      Laurarn Enterprises, Johannesburg
      First National Bank, Gold Reef City
      D Wright, Marine Parade, Durban
      M Kessler, Sound Investments, Springs
      Lunt Brothers, Richards Bay
      Secretary to the Chief Minister, Kwandebele
      Miss E M du Toit, Elinigue Mannequin School, Pretoria
      Municipality, Christiana
      Dutch Reform Church, Magalieskruin, Pretoria
      Hlobane Coal Mine, Hlobane
   2. (b) On various dates during October 1987.
3. (3) No.

First of all, Mr Speaker, I may tell the hon member that my reply was lengthy in order to give him adequate information. Secondly, yes, I do believe so, and it is because of the Fund-raising Act, No 107 of 1978.

Mr Speaker, the answer is no.

(1) The Department of Development Planning is only responsible for determining overall policy. The administration of social pensions vests in the different Provincial Administrations and the following information was furnished by them:

Mr Speaker, it is very difficult to furnish an exact period or a date. I can assure the hon member that the provincial administrations are doing everything in their power to eliminate the backlog.

1. (a) Yes.
   1. (i) Due to preference being given to bursary holders and a lack of suitable vacancies.
   2. (ii) 465
   3. (iii) Natal, Northern Transvaal, Highveld and Johannesburg.
2. (b) Yes.
   1. (i) Due to preference being given to bursary holders and a lack of suitable vacancies.
   2. (ii) 440
   3. (iii) Natal, Northern Transvaal, Orange-Vaal, Highveld and Johannesburg.

Note: Suitably qualified as mentioned above means that a teacher is in possession of a professional qualification. That does not mean that he/she has a M+3 qualification.

1. (1) Yes, for as far as it concerns Armscor.
   1. (a)
      1. (i) During 1985 and 1986. It is possible that other informal requests were also made but no record of such requests is available.
      2. (ii) During June 1985 members of the Overberg Committee of the Council for the Environment, visited the Overberg Testing Range and the De Hoop Nature Reserve as guests of the then Deputy Minister of Defence.
         During 1986 the Chairman of the aforementioned Committee directly approached officials of Armscor at the Testing Range to visit the area, contrary to the procedure which was previously agreed upon. The matter was referred to the then Deputy Minister of Defence, who ruled that the Chairman of the Committee should liaise with the Cape Provincial Administration, as the latter, in terms of the Hey Committee’s report, is the responsible institution with regard to all environment matters in the area in question.
   2. (b)
      1. (i) During 1985 and 1986. It is likely that there were other requests but no record thereof is available.
      2. (ii) The enquiries received on a direct basis were replied to as far as possible.
         In addition, the Chairman of the Overberg Committee of the Council for the Environment, was repeatedly referred to the Cape Provincial Administration, as the Committee, in terms of the founding agreements thereof, was supposed to work in the closest collaboration with the above-mentioned Administration and was to direct all queries to the latter.
         In addition Dr Hey, which up to the time of its disbanding by the Minister of Environment Affairs and of Water Affairs in October 1987, was a member of the Overberg Committee of the Council for the Environment, as well as the Chairman of the Overberg Review Committee, on which members of the Cape Provincial Administration, the SA Defence Force and Armscor, serve. The Council for the Environment’s Overberg Committee could consequently also have used this link to obtain information.
2. (2) No, except to confirm that a group which included the Deputy Minister of Defence, Dr Hey, media representatives and other interested persons, were invited to the area in September 1987. They then expressed their unqualified satisfaction with what had been achieved with regard to environmental conservation, in the area, to date. The co-operation between the representatives of the Cape Provincial Administration, the SA Defence Force and Armscor is very congenial and sound and I am satisfied that at all times there is the endeavour to comply with the letter and spirit of the Hey Committee’s report.

(1) and (2)

The handling of social pensions for Blacks was transferred to the Provincial Administrations on 1 November 1986 and the Department of Home Affairs is temporarily acting as agent for the Administrations.

When a person applies for a social pension, an application form is completed in which the applicant must furnish full information with regard to his personal particulars and financial circumstances. Depending on the type of pension which is applied for, supporting proof is required, such as proof of age in the case of an old age pension, and a medical disability certificate in the case of a disability grant.

It is, however, emphasised that the possession of an identity document is not a prerequisite to qualify for a social pension. In this regard the Department of Constitutional Development and Planning issued a circular on 27 April 1987 with the concurrence of amongst others, the Department of Home Affairs, in which inter alia the following guidelines were laid down:

In order to ensure that pensions are paid to the rightful persons, the beneficiaries must identify themselves at the paying centres. Such identification can be effected by the submission of reference books, the new identity document, if a pensioner is in possession of such a document, a temporary identification certificate or by means of any of the other methods as prescribed in section 14 of the Identification Act, 1986 (Act 72 of 1986).

In recent newspaper reports the impression is created that the finalising of applications for social pensions is delayed due to the alleged protracted time taken to issue identity documents. This is not correct.

Liaison between the Department of Constitutional Development and Planning and the Department of Home Affairs with regard to applications for identity documents of persons applying for social pensions did take place from time to time when necessary. The liaison also covered a wider field, such as the frequency of pension payments, methods of payment and procedures with regard to the speedy issue of identity documents where necessary.

1. (1) No. No legal provision exists for transfers from the Civil Service to a local authority.
2. (2)
   1. (a) Yes. Provision has been made from 1 February 1988 by the Director: Pensions for the transfer of pension benefits from the Government Service Pension Fund to the UCASA pension fund.
   2. (b) Yes. Provision has been made that local authorities can request the Director: Local Government for the protection of service benefits when personnel from the Civil Service are appointed by Black local authorities. A circular dated 10 February 1988 in this respect was issued.
3. (3) (a) and (b) Yes.
4. (4) The allocation of housing is in terms of Act 102 of 1982 a function of the Town Committee of Cape Town. The housing managers who were formerly in the employ of the Development Board, were functionally made available to the Town Committee. Thus, functions pertaining to the allocation of housing are being done by housing managers under the control of the Cape Town Town Committee.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) 3 times.
   2. (b) National Party.
   3. (c)
      1. (i) Hoërskool Staatspresident C R Swart
      2. (ii) Mr N C M Engelbrecht
2. (2) at many schools, through the kind cooperation of the principals, smaller meetings are held that are not always handled strictly in accordance with the letter of the law. From the nature of things, I am not aware of every meeting held at every school;
3. (3) falls away.

Mr Speaker, if the hon member wishes to put such a comprehensive question, he must please table it and I shall give him all the details concerned with the greatest of pleasure.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) Afrikaner-Broederbond
   2. (b)
      1. (i) Laerskool Swartkop
         Laerskool Witfield
         Laerskool Genl de la Rey
         Hoërskool Hendrik Verwoerd,
      2. (ii) Dr P J E Wilbers
         Mr E W Uys
         Mr P J van Heerden
         Mr P A van Niekerk
2. (2) at many schools, through the kind cooperation of the principals, smaller meetings are held that are not always handled strictly in accordance with the letter of the law. From the nature of things I am not aware of every meeting held at every school;
3. (3) falls away.

1. (1) No.
2. (2) Falls away.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) an advisory committee of the Committee of Heads of Education,
   2. (b) to investigate: pupil density, pupil teacher ratio, average class size and actual class size.
   3. (c) July 1987;
2. (2) no.
   1. (a) all the implications of possible decisions need to be investigated,
   2. (b) no date can be given since the full investigation must first be completed (i), (ii), (iii) and (iv) fall away.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) This information is not yet available.
   2. (b) The same question was asked by the hon member as question 3. He is therefore referred to the answer given on 1988-02-23;
2. (2) No
   1. (a) and (b) fall away;
3. (3) No.
   1. (a) and (b) fall away.

1. (a) Yes.
   1. (i) 36
   2. (ii) 12;
      Teachers whose posts were abolished were informed timeously to enable them to apply for teaching posts elsewhere. Some of them were appointed to other teaching posts.
2. (b) No.

1. (a) Yes.
   1. (i) 40
   2. (ii) 11;
      Teachers whose posts were abolished were informed timeously to enable them to apply for teaching posts elsewhere. Some of them were appointed to other teaching posts.
2. (b) No. (i) and (ii) fall away.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) 40,
   2. (b) 36 147,
   3. (c) 21 March 1988;
2. (2) No, no action was required since the original omission from the draft Bill had previously been rectified in the normal couse of events,
   1. (a) and (b) fall away;
3. (3) Yes.
4. (4) Yes.
   1. (a) the investigation is proceeding,
   2. (b) on conclusion of the investigation;
5. (5) a media statement was made on 1988-03-15.

Mr Speaker, the reply to that is categorically “no”, and the reason for my being able to say this is that it is very clear that a large number of the petitions that were drawn up stemmed from a leak—if I can call it that—in that a draft Bill came into the possession of persons who should not at that initial stage have had access to it. People were then advised to submit petitions in this connection. I want to point out that the first petition we received was dated 25 February. On or before 15 February we had already corrected the error of the omission from the draft Bill through the normal channels. Thus it is very clear, Mr Speaker, that this was a case of small political party gain. [Interjections.]

Mr Speaker, that is a supplementary question that has no bearing on the question that is on the Question Paper. The hon member is very welcome to have that question put on the Question Paper.

Mr Speaker, it is very clear that that hon member was aware of what was contained in the draft Bill. For the information of the hon member I can tell him, however, that this whole matter in relation to the draft Bill was discussed at length with all organizations that are affected by it, such as the Committee of Heads of Education, the FC, the representatives of the parents and the provincial education councils. If there were any further inquiries in this connection, I do not know anything about them.

Mr Speaker, it is very clear— for the hon member’s information—that we indicated that that particular clause had been omitted from the draft Bill accidentally, and that it had already been noticed in the normal course of revision of the draft Bill, before 15 February, and that it was put right through the normal channels.