The prerogative for the appointment of delimitation commissions is vested in the State President in terms of section 48 of the Republic of South Africa Constitution Act, 1983 (Act 110 of 1983).

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) A request for assistance in arranging visits to parliamentary institutions and, if possible, appointments with politicians, was received from Mr D P A Schutte, MP for Pietermaritzburg North. It is customary, upon request, to assist members of Parliament travelling abroad with arrangements of this nature.
   2. (b)
      1. (i) A visit to the Dutch Parliament as well as appointments with a few party representatives was arranged.
      2. (ii) A senior official of the Department of Foreign Affairs.
   3. (c) The visit was a private study tour arranged by Mr Schutte personally and on his own initiative.
   4. (d)
      1. (i) Private study tour of parliamentary institutions in Europe.
      2. (ii) Party representatives were met.
   5. (e) None.
   6. (f) Mr D P A Schutte, MP Mr R E Redinger, MP Mr J W Maree, MP
2. (2) No.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) 9 November 1987.
   2. (b) The discrepancy in the information supplied by the complainants and that which was made available to the South African Police through their investigation, could not be clarified. The responsible person/s or instance/s has therefor not been identified by the South African Police.
   3. (c) The helicopter was, at the time of the incident, at an aviation company for a routine service. I am not prepared to furnish the name of the owner because he was apparently not responsible for the distribution of the pamphlets.
2. (2)
   1. (a) No, because liability of the owner could not be proved.
   2. (b) No, because the name and address of the publisher printed on the pamphlet is fictitious. The person/s or instance/s responsible for the distribution of the pamphlet, could also not be identified.
      1. (i) and (ii) Fall away.
3. (3) No, except to say that unless new information becomes available, the investigation is regarded as finalized.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) During October 1987.
   2. (b) The publication was printed but not distributed. No offence was committed in terms of the provisions of section 18 of the Publications Act, 1974 (Act 42 of 1974) or section 9 of the Newspaper and Imprint Registration Act, 1971 (Act 63 of 1971).
   3. (c) None. The case docket was submitted to the Attorney-General for a decision. He declined to institute prosecution.
2. (2) No, because no offence had been committed.
   1. (a) and (b) Fall away.
3. (3) No.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) When alternative sites at Khayelitsha were offered to the squatters on 2 December 1987, they packed and loaded their belongings and demolished their structures voluntarily.
   2. (b) No statutory provision was instituted, because the squatters moved voluntarily.
2. (2) Yes.
   1. (a) Tents and basic facilities were provided to the squatters.
   2. (b) Temporary housing will be provided until an alternative can be offered to the squatters.
   3. (c) The aspect of permanent housing will be considered at a later stage.
3. (3) No.
   Public transport is available.
4. (4) No.

1. (a) 491 persons.
2. (b) 9 February 1988.

1. (1) Yes, 1 338 persons.

The following persons were however in detention on 12 February 1988:

I want to emphasize that of this total of 234 juveniles, 169 are being detained in Natal in connection with the violence there.

1. (2) Yes.
   1. (a) 343 persons.
   2. (b) On a variety of charges inter alia
      Possession of unlicensed firearms Sedition
      Kidnapping
      Murder
      Public violence
      Malicious damage to property
      Arson
      Assault
      Promoting the aims of a prohibited organisation
      Intimidation
      Conspiring to commit public violence Possession of petrol bombs Attempted arson
      Attempted murder Robbery
      Theft
      Terrorism
      Possession of prohibited publications Rape
      Sabotage
      Possession of explosives

Mr Speaker, I said that that was the number of people in detention on 12 February, 1988.

Yes.

1. (a) 711

1. (c) All dogs in the rabies controlled areas of Natal and Northern Transvaal are annually inoculated against rabies and all dogs and cats in a radius of 16 km around an outbreak area also inoculated after each outbreak. All movements of dogs and cats to, within and from the rabies controlled areas are subject to permit control. During 1987 altogether 755 463 dogs were inoculated against rabies.

8 937 hectares.

1. (1) The cleared land between Old Crossroads and Mahobe Avenue falls within the area of jurisdiction of the Crossroads Town Committee established by P N197/1987 of 16 April 1987. An election for members of the local authority will be held on 26 October 1988.
2. (2) The Administrator, who administrates the town at present, has already allocated sites to different private developers who will erect and market houses to the black inhabitants of Old Crossroads.

1. (1) No.
2. (2) Falls away.

1. (1) R36,8421.
2. (2) R35,0293 during January 1988.

Mr Speaker, I would do so with pleasure, but I do not think I can at this stage. In my opinion that should be the subject of another question.

1. (a) USA dollar 17,8644 during January 1988.
2. (b) The above-mentioned cost is not directly taken into account in the South African price for 93 octane petrol. The average landed cost of 93 octane petrol of 4 refineries—three in Singapore and one in Bahrein—is being used as basis to determine the South African price. The landed cost currently reflected in the price of 93 octane is 33,700 c/1. The current underrecovery experienced is accommodated in the cumulative over and under-recovery account.
3. (c) The marketing margins for the oil companies and the retailers consist of all those costs normally incurred to distribute and market petrol and both margins are subject to price control.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) 4L
   2. (b) They were the most suitable candidates selected after advertising. The posts concerned are mainly in specialist fields.
   3. (c)
      1. (i) Technical, commercial and academic subjects.
      2. (ii) As in (c)(1) above.
   4. (d) Luhlaza Secondary School, Crossroads No. 3 Secondary School, Langa Comprehensive School and Guguletu Comprehensive School.
2. (2) No.
   1. (a) and (b) fall away.

1. (1) No.
   1. (a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away.
2. (2) No.
   1. (a), (b), (c) and (d) fall away.

1. (1) No. In accordance with prescribed procedures such requests are made at departmental level. A request was in fact received along the latter channel and the facts pertaining to the support given by the SA Defence Force to the SA Police are as follows:
   1. (a) Since 4 November 1987.
   2. (b) It contributed to prevent the further increase of unrest related incidents.
   3. (c) The Divisional Commissioner for the Natal Division of the SA Police.
2. (2) No.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) A number of persons have been killed, but because it cannot yet be established beyond doubt from the investigations, which deaths can be ascribed to faction fights, ordinary crime or politically inspired crime, it would not be opportune to furnish figures at this stage.
   2. (b) 254 persons were charged in a large number of cases, inter alia on charges of murder, attempted murder, assault with the intent to do grievous bodily harm, arson and public violence. These persons are presently awaiting trial.
2. (2) Yes.
   A number of temporary bases have been established, from where a large contingent of the South African Police, supported by units of the South African Defence Force, operate on a 24-hour basis. They render preventative duties and ensure that law and order are maintained in the area.
   In addition, an investigation team comprising a large number of experienced detectives under the command of a senior officer is presently investigating cases that have emanated from the violence. They leave no stone unturned in locating and charging those persons who have committed acts of violence. The results achieved thus far are both positive and encouraging.
3. (3) Yes. It is the aim of the South African Police, and we are irrevocably committed thereto, to maintain law and order in South Africa.
   From the steps that have been taken thus far to normalize the situation in the Republic and also in the Pietermaritzburg area, it is clear that the South African Police is well on its way to achieving that aim.

1. (a) 14,39%.
2. (b) 35,8%.
   Therefore, in total 50,26% passed.

Mr Speaker, before I reply to this question, I would like to express my dismay at the unparliamentary manner in which the hon member has misused this incident to slander South Africa and especially the South African Police. [Interjections.]

The hon member made allegations to the Sunday Tribune that the South African Police had assaulted and tortured two persons. Without the Police having been approached for comment, these allegations were published in detail in this newspaper.

As a result of the newspaper report, the matter was thoroughly investigated and proved to be unsubstantiated. At the insistence of the Police the same newspaper a week later reported on the findings of the investigation.

On 8 February 1988 the hon member put the question to which I must reply today. Nevertheless, last Friday during the no-confidence debate he misused the House of Assembly for publicity and personal gain.

According to my information, the hon member brought the two complainants to the House of Assembly and pre-arranged with several less sympathetic journalists to be ready outside Parliament to photograph him and the complainants, after he had repeated his allegations during the no-confidence debate. [Interjections.] His actions were pre-meditated and the sole purpose was to give further negative publicity to his unsubstantiated allegations. As a result of this, I was obliged to issue a press statement about the matter on 12 February 1988, a copy of which is attached.

Keeping these facts in mind, I would now like to reply to the question by the hon member.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) Two Black youths were detained for questioning.
   2. (b) Because they were found together with a group of approximately 15 Black youths under suspicious circumstances.
   3. (c) The names furnished by the hon member.
   4. (d) The group of Black youths was found by a Police patrol under suspicious circumstances. When they were approached by the Police patrol they threw away books and pamphlets and fled. The two youths were stopped, detained and taken to the Nyanga Police Station for questioning. After the books and pamphlets had been perused and the youths have given an acceptable explanation for their behaviour, they were allowed to leave.
2. (2) Yes.
   1. (a) On 22 and 25 January 1988
   2. (b) that they had allegedly been assaulted and tortured by the Police.
3. (3) Yes. From the investigation it is clear that the allegations of the two youths, which were accepted without question by the hon member and spread to the press, are false.

The two youths were given the opportunity to point out the office or premises where the alleged assault took place, but were unable to do so.

When they were asked whether they would be prepared to point out their alleged assailants at an identification parade, they refused and said that they would be unable to do so.

Furthermore, they alleged that metal rings, attached to an electric current, were placed on their little fingers and electric shocks administered to them. The district surgeon made no mention of possible injuries to their fingers.

The two youths were given every possible opportunity to assist the investigating officer in tracing their alleged assailants, but to no avail.

If they were injured in any way whatsoever, it was not at the hands of the South African Police. After thorough investigation, the South African Police and I are satisfied that the two youths were not assaulted or tortured by the Police.

Order! I am satisfied that the hon the Minister acted quite properly and I am satisfied with the tone of his answer. [Interjections.]

Mr Speaker, I do not have the information for which the hon member is asking me now. I shall have it investigated and supply the hon member with a reply.

1. (1) No, however the hon member for Claremont did call at the charge office and vehemently argued with the officer of the South African Police who spoke to him. He refused to make a statement when he was given an opportunity to do so.
2. (2) No.
   1. (a) and (b) fall away.
3. (3) No. The hon member was however extremely impatient and argumentative. Through his behaviour he inconvenienced other members of the public who were present in the charge office. As a result of his uncontrolled behaviour, he was requested to leave the charge office unless he was able to restrain himself and make a statement. He was also informed that he could resort to a higher authority if he disapproved of the arrangement. The hon member departed of his own accord.
4. (4) Falls away.
5. (5) Yes, a telephonic complaint was lodged with the Divisional Commissioner, Western Province.
6. (6) Yes, the case docket was submitted to the Attorney-General for a decision. He declined to prosecute the officer concerned because no criminal offence had been committed. The Divisional Commissioner of the Western Province Division also did not take any departmental steps against the officer concerned because the allegations of the hon member proved to be unsubstantiated.

Order! Did the hon member for Claremont say that while the hon the Minister was replying?

Order! The hon member must withdraw that immediately.

Order! I just want to make quite sure of one aspect. What did the hon member for Claremont mean when he said “That is a lie”?

Order! In other words, the hon member meant that the hon the Minister was telling the House a lie.

Order! I want to give the hon member every opportunity to clarify this matter for me so that I can make a ruling about it. Am I correct in saying that the hon member meant by his words to the hon the Minister, namely “That is a lie”, that the hon the Minister was telling the House a lie?

Order! Is the hon member’s explanation then that he is not alleging that the hon the Minister is telling a lie, but that the information given by the hon the Minister is not the truth in the opinion of the hon member?

Mr Speaker, on a point of order: If this is the explanation of the hon member for Claremont, I want to say with all due respect that that is not what it means when someone says “That is a lie”. I should therefore like to suggest that he should withdraw that.

Order! I am inclined to agree with the hon the Leader of the House, and I want to tell the hon member for Claremont that I do not think that it is parliamentary for us to address one another in that manner. Therefore the hon member must withdraw his words to the hon the Minister, namely “That is a lie”.

1. (1) Yes;
2. (2) yes,
   1. (a) Mr R R Hulley, MP, on behalf of the Cape Provincial Congress of the PFP,
   2. (b) A complaint was lodged regarding the references in the Cadet Manual to the physical fitness of the German nation at the beginning of the Second World War. It was further alleged, according to the complaint, that the Cadet Manual contained approving references to the National Socialist Germany of the time, this being offensive to those whose parents were victims of Nazism during the Second World War,
   3. (c) the manual is being revised and those sections which can give offence are deleted in the process;
3. (3) no.

1. (1) No,
   1. (a) and (b) fall away;
2. (2) falls away;
3. (3) and (4) policy concerning salaries falls under the Minister of National Education;
4. (5) no.

1. (1) Yes,
   1. (a) Cape Province: 26-27 October 1987
      Natal: 27 October 1987
      Orange Free State: 26 October 1987
      Transvaal: 26 October 1987
   2. (b) each education council accepted the draft policy with thanks and suggested a few minor alterations;
2. (2) yes,
   1. (a) as soon as the comment has been finalised and the policy has been laid down,
   2. (b) as soon as the policy has been laid down;
3. (3) no.

1. (1) Yes,

1. (2) yes, the inaugural meetings were all open to the public but for some agenda points during the second meeting the councils went into committee, the ruling being made by the chairman, in each case. For the full second meeting, the Transvaal Education Council went into committee in accordance with a decision of the council;
2. (3) yes,

1. (4) yes,

1. (5) no.

1. (a) Yes,
   1. *(i) Rhenish Primary School
      Victoria Girls’ High School
      York High School
      St. Michaels’ School
      Brebner High School
   2. (ii)
      1. (aa) permission was refused,
      2. (bb) in terms of par. 2 of Addendum 1 to the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, 1983 (Act 110 of 1983) the provision of education is an own affair;
2. (b) yes,
   1. (i) Rustenburg High School for Girls
      Rustenburg Junior School
      Camps Bay High School
      Camps Bay Primary School
      Camps Bay Preparatory School
      South African College School
      Rondebosch Boys High School
      Rondebosch Preparatory School
      Westerford High School
      Grove Primary School
      Glenwood High School,
   2. (ii)
      1. (aa) permission was refused,
      2. (bb) see (a)(ii)(bb) above.

*This list does not include the following:

1. (a) state schools which admit pupils in terms of the Act on Diplomatic Privileges, 1951 (Act 71 of 1951)
2. (b) private schools
3. (c) subsidized schools
4. (d) private or subsidized pre-primary schools.

1. (1) (a) Yes,
   1. (i) the departmental contribution to the upkeep of sports facilities was suspended,*
   2. (ii) 1 April 1987,
   3. (iii) in order to remain within the budget,
   4. (iv) the amount can only be determined after the end of the current financial year;
2. (b) yes,
   1. (i) the departmental contribution to irrigation of, and electricity supply for sports facilities was suspended and schools are expected to finance 10% of all telephone costs,
   2. (ii) 1 April 1988,
   3. (iii) in order to remain within the budget,
   4. (iv) the amount can only be determined after the end of the 1988/89 financial year;
3. (2) no,
   1. (a) and (b) fall away,
      1. (i) the matter is still under consideration,
      2. (ii) schools may use any legal method to raise funds on a non-compulsory basis.

* Schools were also requested to effect savings on text-books, expendable items and water, electricity and telephone usage.

In addition to the reply, I should like to make the following statement:

The implementation of the new educational dispensation brought about a change in the way in which education is financed.

Under the previous dispensation the various provincial education departments presented their education budgets to the provincial administrations. These budgets were based on the actual expenses incurred in the preceding year with the due allowance for possible price increases and expansion. The provincial administrations in turn negotiated with Treasury for funds on the strength of those budgets.

It was sometimes possible for the provincial administrations to transfer funds budgeted for other purposes to education to make additional funds available.

At present funds are allocated to each state department responsible for education by using as a framework a formula developed by the Department of National Education. This formula is inter alia based on the pupil numbers of the state department involved. In appropriating the funds allocated in this way every state department determines its own priorities.

The Department of Education and Culture, Administration: House of Assembly, responsible for the provision of education for Whites, receives an amount of money which it then subdivides in accordance with the pupil enrolment in each province. It is accordingly no longer possible for a provincial education department to negotiate for additional funds. Each provincial education department determines its own priorities in respect of the appropriation of the funds allocated to it.

In the Cape, as in the other provinces, monetary provision is made for specific categories of services in order to meet the running expenses of schools. Payment for these services is the responsibility of the Cape Education Department. As far as the funds generated by schools themselves are concerned, the Cape Education Department is not prescriptive and schools determine their own priorities.

From 1970 to 31 March 1987 the Cape Education Department paid for the maintenance of sports facilities. This practice arose from a resolution of the Executive Committee under which the Provincial Administration made funds available to the education department. As the Cape Education Department, like the other provincial education departments, is at present solely dependent upon its annual subsidy allocation, this manner of financing is no longer possible.

There are procedures that schools in the Cape Province can follow in order to apply for financial assistance if they experience problems as a result of particular local circumstances. Each case is considered on merit and with the necessary understanding.

Schools in the Cape Province do not pay their full water and electricity accounts. They are only responsible for the levies on water and electricity used for sports fields and swimming pools. The Cape Education Department also pays the telephone subscription and ninety percent of all telephone calls. While a general call to economise applies at all times, it should be borne in mind that specific guidelines for economising in a particular year can only be given once the final estimates are known.

Although funds for education are limited, the Department of Education and Culture is determined to maintain a high standard of education. However, for this the Department needs the support of everybody involved. It is also necessary to bear certain realities in mind:

• • The funds available for education are limited.
• • A provincial education department must be administered with the amount allocated to it.
• • At every level of education, as is also true for other state departments and other viable undertakings, it is imperative that priorities be determined.
• • As all the education departments are free to determine their own priorities, it serves no purpose to lift out one aspect of an education department and compare it with a specific aspect of another education department or to make unwarranted deductions on the grounds of such a comparison.
• • In future schools will to a certain extent be dependent upon the contributions of parent communities and other partners of education. However, nobody who cannot afford to contribute will be under any compulsion in this regard.

Against this background I wish to thank most sincerely principals of schools, parents and school communities who accept these realities with understanding and who, together with all our other partners, maintain the highest possible standard of education in our schools.

*The vast majority of these candidates are enrolled at technical colleges and enter for a small number of subjects only.

I will have a look at the authority from which the hon member quoted and I will give him a decision at a later stage.