House of Assembly: Vol35 - TUESDAY 25 MAY 1971

TUESDAY, 25TH MAY, 1971

For oral reply:

Natal South Coast Railway line: Bagsnatching incident and means of communication in emergencies *1. Mr. D. E. MITCHELL

asked the Minister of Transport:

  1. (1) Whether his attention has been drawn to a report of a bag-snatching incident on the Natal South Coast line near Port Shepstone;
  2. (2) whether any means are provided on the trains on this line for passengers to attract the attention of a member of the train crew in the event of an emergency; if so, what means;
  3. (3) whether all trains are fitted with such facilities; if not, why not.
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF TRANSPORT:
  1. (1) Yes.
  2. (2) No.
  3. (3) All electric suburban sliding-door and swing-door train sets are provided with a bell system between drivers’ and guards’ compartments which is accessible only to the train crew. In case of emergency a passenger can approach the ticket examiner who in turn can signal the driver by means of this system. Main-line coaches are provided with an alarm signal which is located behind a glass panel in the corridors with the necessary directions for its use. This alarm signal is in fact an emergency brake application valve, the purpose of which is to bring the train to a stop.

The swing-door coaches in use on the Natal South Coast line are older types of coaches normally used with steam traction, which are equipped with neither of these systems. However, suburban stations are usually situated close to each other and any necessary action in an emergency can normally be taken at the next stopping place.

The bell signal system or alarm signal is specified for all new coaches, of which 82 are earmarked for the Natal System.

Mr. D. E. MITCHELL:

Arising out of the reply of the hon. the Deputy Minister, can he tell me whether there are explanatory notices displayed in the coaches so that passengers would know what to do?

The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Where there is a bell system, yes.

Manufacture of yellow margarine *2. Mr. G. N. OLDFIELD

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

  1. (1) Whether he has received representations in regard to the manufacture of yellow margarine; if so, (a) from whom and (b) when;
  2. (2) whether he has given further consideration to permitting the manufacture of yellow margarine; if so, what steps are contemplated; if not, why not.
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:
  1. (1) No, not recently, (a) and (b) fall away.
  2. (2) The manufacture of yellow margarine is at present prohibited by law but the matter is considered from time to time in the light of conditions prevailing in the dairy industry, the availability of white margarine and with due regard also to control measures that may be necessary to protect consumers against possible malpractices.
Facilities provided for third-class passengers on trains from Cape Town to Transkei and Ciskei *3. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Transport:

  1. (1) Whether he has received any reports from the Management of the South African Railways in regard to the facilities provided for third-class passengers on trains from Cape Town to the Transkei and the Ciskei;
  2. (2) whether long-distance third-class passengers have been accommodated in local coaches without toilet facilities or sleeping bunks; if so, on how many trains during the past year;
  3. (3) whether steps have been taken to eliminate this position; if so, what steps; if not, why not.
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF TRANSPORT:
  1. (1) Yes.
  2. (2) Yes. During certain holiday periods, when the demand for third-class passenger accommodation has been at a premium, long-distance third-class passengers have been accommodated in block-sets of third-class main-line saloons and side-door coaches in the proportion of 1 to 2. The main-line saloons have toilet facilities and sleeping accommodation. They also supply the necessary lighting in the adjoining side-door coaches. From April, 1970, to March, 1971, 229 such trains were scheduled. Toilet facilities were provided in all these trains but not necessarily in each coach, and in only two instances was no sleeping accommodation available.
  3. (3) Yes. By March, 1973, a further 426 third-class main-line saloons will be in service.
Resettlement of Bantu living in deproclaimed Reserve No. 6 at Richard’s Bay *4. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Bantu Administration and Development:

Whether a decision has been reached as to the area in which the Bantu at present living in the deproclaimed Reserve No. 6 at Richard’s Bay are to be resettled; if so, (a) to what areas are they to be moved and (b) when will the move take place.

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BANTU DEVELOPMENT:

No. The matter is still being investigated and a final decision has not yet been made.

(a) and (b) fall away.

1973 S.A. Games: Participation of non-Whites *5. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Sport and Recreation:

Whether participation in the 1973 South African Games will be open to non-Whites.

The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION:

It is apparently the intention of The South African Olympic and National Games Association to stage an Open International Games in Durban during 1973. Provided these games are organized and recognized by the Government and the Department of Sport and Recreation as such, non-Whites who qualify on the standards laid down for such an open international will be able to participate.

Mrs. H. SUZMAN:

Arising from the hon. the Minister’s reply, can he tell me what criteria are going to be applied by the Government?

The MINISTER:

The hon. member will realize that the question of criteria is not in my hands, but in the hands of the S.A. Olympic Committee.

Mrs. H. SUZMAN:

Arising further from the hon. the Minister’s reply, what I would like to know is what criteria are going to be applied by the Government in deciding whether this is going to be an open international?

The MINISTER:

The Government will consider the question of an open international in accordance with what it regards ought to be one and not a sham international.

Military personnel reported missing during Korean campaign *6. Mr. W. V. RAW

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether he has any information in regard to South African military personnel who were reported missing during the Korean campaign and are believed to be alive and held captive; if so,
  2. (2) whether steps have been taken to obtain their release; if so, what steps.
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:

(1) and (2) Of the 32 officers who were initially declared as missing during the Korean campaign sufficient evidence was obtained in 24 cases on which to base the presumptions and later declarations of death. The remaining 8 officers were taken prisoner of war and were all released at the conclusion of the campaign.

Purchase of property at Lilani hot springs in Umvoti magisterial district *7. Mr. D. E. MITCHELL

asked the Minister of Bantu Administration and Development:

  1. (1) Whether his Department has purchased the property of the Lilani hot springs in the Umvoti magisterial district; if so, (a) when, (b) what was the purchase price, (c) what was the valuation of the (i) land and (ii) buildings and (d) for what purpose was the property bought;
  2. (2) whether the property is being put to economic use;
  3. (3) (a) how many visitors have used the amenities during the past 12 months and (b) what is the annual cost of upkeep.
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BANTU DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (1) Yes. (a) 10 May, 1965. (b) and (c) (i) and (ii). This was a private transaction and I do not consider it in the public interest to disclose details of a private transaction, (d) To be developed as a holiday resort for Bantu.
  2. (2) No.
  3. (3) (a) Nil. (b) Nil.
Mr. D. E. MITCHELL:

Arising from the hon. the Deputy Minister’s reply, can he tell me whether the money which was used for the purchase was public money?

The DEPUTY MINISTER:

Please table that question.

Transfer of Hluhluwe and Umfolozi game reserves *8. Mr. D. E. MITCHELL

asked the Minister of Bantu Administration and Development:

Whether any consideration has been given to, or decision arrived at concerning, the transfer of the areas of land known as the Hluhluwe and the Umfolozi game reserves to the Zulu territorial authority or the Bantu Trust or his Department.

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BANTU DEVELOPMENT:

No.

Distinctive naval summer uniform *9. Mr. J. W. E. WILEY

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether any indication of a desire among naval men to retain a distinctive naval summer uniform has come to his notice;
  2. (2) whether he will give fresh consideration to permitting the South African Navy (a) to retain its present summer uniform or (b) to use any other distinctive summer uniform; if not, why not.
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:
  1. (1) No. Please refer to my replies to questions in this connection during the debate on my Department’s vote.
  2. (2) Any reasonable proposals may be submitted through the prescribed service channel to the supreme command and to me for consideration.
Mr. J. W. E. WILEY:

Arising from the Minister’s reply, would the hon. the Minister receive representations also from me?

The MINISTER:

I will receive representations made only through the prescribed defence force channels.

Mr. J. W. E. WILEY:

Arising further from the hon. the Minister’s reply, may I ask the hon. the Minister whether I am one of those prescribed channels?

The MINISTER:

No.

*10. Mr. H. A. VAN HOOGSTRATEN

—Reply standing over.

Issue of greatcoats to national servicemen *11. Mr. J. O. N. THOMPSON

asked the Minister of Defence:

  1. (1) Whether greatcoats are still issued to national servicemen as part of their kit issue; if not, when was such issue terminated;
  2. (2) whether he will consider resuming the issue for the cold periods of the year; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether national servicemen are permitted to purchase their own greatcoats and wear them on and off duty.
The MINISTER OF DEFENCE:
  1. (1) No, from January, 1971, when the new field dress, which was scientifically designed by the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, was introduced. Tests carried out with the uniform in severe cold conditions proved that it affords adequate protection against cold if worn with the underwear, shirt, cardigan and scarf that are issued with it. Members in possession of the old uniform retain their greatcoats.
  2. (2) Greatcoats are still being issued on a rotation basis to personnel performing guard and other outdoor duties in conditions of extreme cold. National servicemen who have complaints about insufficient protection against cold must submit their complaints to their commanding officers.
  3. (3) Yes, from Defence stores.
Mr. W. V. RAW:

Arising from the reply of the hon. the Minister, has the hon. the Minister had any complaints from those servicemen here for the Republican Festivities?

The MINISTER:

Only from the hon. member for Durban Point.

Mr. W. V. RAW:

Arising further from the reply of the hon. the Minister, has the hon. the Minister obtained any medical opinion as to the need or otherwise for greatcoats to be issued?

The MINISTER:

Only from the hon. member for Durban Point.

Mr. W. V. RAW:

Further arising from the reply, Mr. Speaker, must we then accept that these coats have been removed from the servicemen without any medical judgment on the advisability thereof?

The MINISTER:

The hon. member must accept my reply.

Reply standing over from Friday, 21st May, 1971

Erection of sea-weed treatment plant at Stanford, Cape

The MINISTER OF HEALTH replied to Question *4, by Mr. H. A. van Hoogstraten:

Question:
  1. (1) Whether his attention has been drawn to the intended erection of a seaweed treatment plant at Stanford, Cape;
  2. (2) whether steps have or will be taken to ensure that such a plant will not result in pollution of the atmosphere; if so, what steps.
Reply:
  1. (1) Yes.
  2. (2) Yes, as soon as particulars of the process concerned are available and should it appear to be a scheduled process in terms of Part II of the Atmospheric Pollution Prevention Act, 1965 (Act No. 45 of 1965) steps will be taken thereunder or in terms of the provisions of the Public Health Act, 1919 (Act No. 36 of 1919) relating to offensive trades, according to circumstances.

For written reply:

Burden of debt in agriculture since 1968 632. Mr. W. G. KINGWILL

asked the Minister of Agriculture:

  1. (1) (a) What was the burden of debt in agriculture for each year since 1968 and (b) what was the amount of the debt owed in respect of (i) land, (ii) other immovable property, (iii) machinery and equipment, (iv) livestock and (v) miscellaneous items for 1970;
  2. (2) what were the total assets of the agricultural industry for 1970.
The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE:

(1) (a) 31.12.1968

R1 270 000 000

31.12.1969

R1 000 000 000

31.12.1970

R1 384 000 000

(b) (i) to (v) Not available.

(2) The value of capital assets in agriculture (including land), as at 31st December, 1970 are provisionally estimated at R6 691 000 000.

Doorn River Government Waterwork: Construction of canal system for irrigation purposes 633. Mr. G. D. G. OLIVER

asked the Minister of Water Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether it is still his Department’s intention to construct a canal system for irrigation purposes in respect of the Doorn River Government Waterwork as outlined in White Paper W.P. L—’63; if so, when is the canal system expected to be completed; if not, why not;
  2. (2) whether compensation was paid for trees on land expropriated for the scheme; if so, what was the total sum paid;
  3. (3) whether any offers were received for the purchase of such timber; if so, what was the highest offer;
  4. (4) whether this or any other offer was accepted; if not, (a) why not and (b) how was the timber disposed of;
  5. (5) (a) how many water bailiffs are employed at the dam, (b) how many houses have been constructed for the use of water bailiffs and (c) what was the cost of each;
  6. (6) whether representations were made by any local authority or other body in connection with the siting of facilities by the Department at the dam site; if so, (a) what local authorities or bodies, (b) in respect of what facilities, (c) what was the nature of the representations and (d) what was the outcome in each case;
  7. (7) what was the total cost of each of the facilities;
  8. (8) whether a boat has been provided on the dam for the use of the Department’s staff; if so, what is (a) the length and (b) the total cost of the boat.
The MINISTER OF WATER AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) No; land can be irrigated more economically by pumps from the river.
  2. (2) The properties were purchased by the Department of Agricultural Credit and Land Tenure who do not divulge the basis of calculation on which the compensation paid was determined.
  3. (3) A local sawmiller wished to buy trees in the old Municipal plantation but neither he nor any other party made a specific offer to the Department of Water Affairs.
  4. (4) No.
    1. (a) It was decided to keep the plantation as an amenity.
    2. (b) No timber was disposed of.
  5. (5)
    1. (a) One.
    2. (b) One.
    3. (c) R13 607-00 (including a small office and outbuildings).
  6. (6) Yes.
    1. (a) A Mr. Roets claimed to be negotiating with the Department on behalf of the Indwe Municipality.
    2. (b) Recreation hall and mess building.
    3. (c) Purchase of items mentioned in (b).
    4. (d) Not finalized; these are at present being negotiated with the Municipality itself.
  7. (7) Total cost of buildings when first erected were:
    Recreation hall: R1 500-00.
    Mess building: R1 850-00.
    The buildings were dismantled and re-erected and used on three different schemes and the present total book value thereof is R250-00.
  8. (8) No.
    1. (a) Falls away.
    2. (b) Falls away.