House of Assembly: Vol35 - TUESDAY 4 MAY 1971

TUESDAY, 4TH MAY, 1971

For oral reply:

Commission of Inquiry into dental services *1. Mr. L. F. WOOD

asked the Minister of Health:

Whether he has considered the report of the Commission of Inquiry into dental services and the training of non-White dental surgeons; if so, (a) which recommendations have been (i) accepted and (ii) implemented, (b) which have still to be implemented and (c) when will they be implemented.

The MINISTER OF HEALTH:

Yes.

  1. (a) (i) and (ii) The introduction of a dental auxiliary service which entails the training and registration of dental auxiliary personnel who will be known as oral hygienists.
  2. (b) and (c) The remaining recommendations are still under consideration.
District surgeons *2. Dr. E. L. FISHER

asked the Minister of Health:

What is (a) the authorized establishment and (b) the number of vacant posts in respect of (i) full-time and (ii) part-time district surgeons.

The MINISTER OF HEALTH:

(i)

Full-time

(ii)

Part-time

(a) Posts

127

404

(b) Vacancies

67

73

Where vacancies exist, the necessary services are rendered by temporary medical personnel.

Effect of metrication, rationalization and 10 per cent surcharge on rail fares *3. Mr. G. D. G. OLIVER

asked the Minister of Transport:

What is the highest percentage by which any rail fare has risen as a result of the 10 per cent surcharge and the rationalization coupled with metrication that came into effect after the 1971 Railway Budget.

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF TRANSPORT:

133 per cent in respect of the first class return passenger fare between Cape Town and Salt River.

For the hon. member’s information, it should be explained that the increase in the fare concerned in effect amounts to only 8c, viz. from 6c to 14c. [Interjections.] Hon. members want the railways to run free of charge. The extent of this increase is due to the fact that fares between stations in the immediate vicinity of Cape Town were well below average fares elsewhere in the Republic prior to 1st April, 1971.

The comparable bus fare for the return journey in question amounts to 20c, which is 43 per cent higher than the rail fare.

Notwithstanding the effects of metrication, rationalization and the 10 per cent surcharge, which have become effective since 1st April, 1971, passenger fares are in some instances more than 30 per cent lower as a result of rationalization, e.g. the first class return fare between Durban and Pietermaritzburg has decreased by 45,2 per cent, i.e. R1-41.

Indian families resident in East Rand municipal areas *4. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Statistics:

How many Indian families are resident in the municipal areas of Germiston, Boksburg, Nigel, Springs and Benoni, respectively.

The MINISTER OF STATISTICS:

According to preliminary results of the 1970 population census as follows:

Germiston

401

Boksburg

59

Nigel

144

Springs

270

Benoni

1 401

Accommodation available in Actonville Indian township, Benoni *5. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Community Development:

Whether there is a waiting list for dwellings in the Actonville Indian township. Benoni; if so, (a) how many families are on the waiting list for (i) houses and (ii) flats and (b) when is it expected that these families will be accommodated.

The MINISTER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (a) Yes. The City Council has 200 Indian families on its waiting list, while the Department’s Regional Office in Johannesburg has 135 families on its waiting list. This information is in respect of accommodation in general, as separate waiting lists for dwellings and flats are not kept.
  2. (b) It will be possible to accommodate all the families on the waiting lists by 1972 as 214 economic dwelling units are at present being erected. Of these 24 have have been allocated, while 127 will be ready for occupation in October, 1971, and 63 in January, 1972. Tenders are at present being invited for the erection of a further 492 economic dwelling units.
Provision of housing by White employers for Coloured employees in Coloured townships *6. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Community Development:

Whether his Department has issued a circular to any local authorities in regard to the provision of houses in Coloured townships by White employers for their Coloured employees; if so, (a) what was the content of the circular and (b) to what authorities was it issued.

The MINISTER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT:

Yes.

  1. (a) Employers of large numbers of Coloured employees are permitted to provide accommodation for their employees in their own group areas on the following basis:
    1. (i) The local authorities concerned acquire the land in the group area where the employees are to reside, and thereafter place it at the disposal of the employers, on a long-term leasehold basis for the erection of dwellings for their employees.
    2. (ii) The land remains the property of the local authority.
    3. (iii) The dwellings, which must conform to the standards prescribed by the local authorities, are erected by the employers out of funds which they themselves must provide.
    4. (iv) The employers themselves are responsible for the letting of the dwellings to their employees and also for the maintenance thereof.
    5. (v) After the expiry of the lease, the dwellings automatically become the property of the local authority without the payment of any compensation.
  2. (b) To all local authorities.
Student enrolment for courses in tourism *7. Mr. D. D. BAXTER

asked the Minister of National Education:

How many students are enrolled for 1971 in each of the first, second and third year courses in tourism at the (a) Johannesburg and (b) Pretoria College for Advanced Technical Education.

The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:

1971

1st

2nd

3rd

(a) Johannesburg

(b) Pretoria

5

2

Commission of Inquiry into matters relating to Television: Steps contemplated during 1971-’72 financial year *8. Mr. E. G. MALAN

asked the Minister of National Education:

  1. (1) What steps does he expect to take during the 1971-’72 financial year in connection with the recommendations of the Commission of Inquiry into matters relating to television;
  2. (2) whether he has made an estimate of (a) the cost and (b) the manpower requirements up to 31st March, 1972; if so. what is the estimate; if not, (i) why not and (ii) when does he expect the estimate to be made.
The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:
  1. (1) I shall consider it in collaboration with the technical advisory committee.
  2. (2) No; since the advisory committee does not function yet, the information asked for is not available.
Dutch Reformed Church delegation in regard to censorship matters *9. Mr. E. G. MALAN

asked the Minister of the Interior:

  1. (1) Whether the Deputy Minister of the Interior recently received a delegation from the Dutch Reformed Church in regard to censorship matters; if so, (a) on what date, (b) who were the members of the delegation, (c) what proposal was made by the delegation and (d) what reply was given;
  2. (2) whether he has taken any steps in regard to the proposal; if so, what steps.
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) 10th February, 1971.
    2. (b) The Chairman and the Vice-Chairman of the “Breë Moderatuur” and the Chairman and the Secretary of the “Algemene Kommissie vir Openbare Sedelikheid”.
    3. (c) Proposals to the effect that the composition of the Publications Control Board and the right of appeal against the decisions of the Board, be altered.
    4. (d) That the proposals will receive attention.
  2. (2) No.
Commission of Inquiry into matters relating to Television: Recommendations in regard to financing *10. Mr. E. G. MALAN

asked the Minister of Finance:

  1. (1) Whether his attention has been drawn to the recommendations in paragraphs 275 and 441 of the Report of the Commission of Inquiry into matters relating to television; if so,
  2. (2) whether he accepts the recommendations in principle; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether he has considered alternative proposals for financing television; if so, what proposals;
  4. (4) whether he intends to take any steps in this regard during the current Session of Parliament; if so. what steps; if not, why not;
  5. (5) whether he will make a statement in regard to the matter.
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF FINANCE:
  1. (1) Yes.
  2. (2) It is under consideration.
  3. (3) No.
  4. (4) It is still under consideration.
  5. (5) Not at this stage.
Presentation of religious film in public cinemas on Sundays *11. Mr. L. G. MURRAY

asked the Minister of Justice:

  1. (1) Whether he has received any request for authority to present a wholly religious film in public cinemas on Sundays; if so, (a) what is the title of the film, (b) when was the request received and (c) what was his reply;
  2. (2) whether legislation is contemplated in regard to the subject of presenting religious films to the public on Sundays; if so, what is the nature of the legislation; if not. why not;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement in regard to the matter.
The MINISTER OF JUSTICE:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) “The Gospel according to St. Matthew.”
    2. (b) 1st April, 1971.
    3. (c) That no provision is made by law in terms of which the Minister is empowered to grant the requested authority.

      I may add that it was indicated that a short film on cancer research, entitled “Cancer Health Research”, which shows the damage smoking does to one’s health, would also be included in the programme.

  2. (2) No: because there is no reason therefor.
  3. (3) No; except to say that I know of no reason why this film cannot, like any other film, be shown on a weekday

Reply standing over from Tuesday, 27th April, 1971

Farm Mahlzeit 232, Keetmanshoop

The MINISTER OF JUSTICE replied to Question *13, by Mr. J. W. E. Wiley.

Question:
  1. (1) Whether any charge has been laid in respect of the sale of the farm Mahlzeit 232, Keetmanshoop, during 1970 and its subsequent reversion to the South-West African Administration; if so, (a) against whom and (b) what was the charge; if not,
  2. (2) whether he will have the matter investigated and take the necessary steps.
Reply:
  1. (1) No.
  2. (2) No. If anyone is of the opinion that an offence has been committed, he is at liberty to report the matter to the South African Police.

Reply standing over from Friday, 30th April, 1971

State Settlements and Farmers’ Assistance Board of S.W.A. and sale of farm Mahlzeit 232, Keetmanshoop

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE replied to Question *4, by Mr. J. W. E. Wiley.

Question:

Whether the State Settlements and Farmers’ Assistance Board of South-West Africa took any decision to sell the farm Mahlzeit 232, Keetmanshoop, to Mr. H. J. Strauss; if so, (a) when, (b) who were the members of the Board, (c) for what reason was it decided to transfer the farm to Mr. Strauss and (d) (i) by whom and (ii) on what basis was the purchase price determined.

Reply:

No; the State Settlement and Farmers’ Assistance Board could not alienate land of the Administration of South-West Africa in terms of the Crown Land Disposal Ordinance, 1903 (Transvaal) as applied to the Territory.

(a) to (d) fall away.

Television: Erection of ground station in S.A. i.r.o. programmes transmitted via satellite

The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION replied to Question *9. by Mr. E. G. Malan.

Question:

Whether the acceptance by the Government of the essentials of the Report of the Commission of Inquiry into matters relating to television, includes the acceptance in general terms of the recommendation that a suitable ground station should be erected in South Africa to pick up television programmes transmitted via satellite; if not, why not; if so, (a) what steps have been taken to implement the recommendation, (b) when is it expected that such a station will be completed and (c) what will be the estimated cost.

Reply:

No; but this recommendation is still under consideration and a decision will be taken after the recommendations of the technical advisory committee have been received.

(a), (b) and (c) fall away.

*Mr. E. G. MALAN:

Arising out of the reply, could the Minister tell us when this technical advisory committee is going to be appointed?

*The MINISTER:

I am glad to see the hon. member is interested in further investigations. The committee will give attention to this matter as soon as it has been established.

Television: Institution of statutory body for advisory purposes

The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION replied to Question *10, by Mr. E. G. Malan.

Question:
  1. (1) Whether steps have been taken to provide for the establishment of the statutory body mentioned in his statement of 27th April, 1971, which will serve the Government and the South African Broadcasting Corporation in an advisory capacity in regard to the general character of the television service; if so, what steps;
  2. (2) whether legislation in this regard is envisaged for the present Session of Parliament; if not, when is it expected that such legislation will be introduced.
Reply:
  1. (1) The institution of the statutory body is linked with possible amendment of the law that is being considered.
  2. (2) No; it is expected to introduce it in the course of the 1972 session of Parliament.
Television: Representation of Association of Radio Manufacturers

The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION replied to Question *11, by Mr. E. G. Malan.

Question:
  1. (1) For what reasons was the recommendation of the Commission of Inquiry into matters relating to television that the Association of Radio Manufacturers should be represented on a technical advisory committee in connection with the introduction of a television service not accepted;
  2. (2) whether he has taken steps to establish the committee; if so, what steps; if not, why not.
Reply:
  1. (1) Because it represents an interested group, and it is an interested party that will, in collaboration with the Department of Industries, promote the establishment of a local industry.
  2. (2) Yes; I have requested the South African Broadcasting Corporation to submit recommendations to me.
*Mr. S. J. M. STEYN:

Arising out of the reply of the Minister, would he tell us when he expects the committee to be appointed?

*The MINISTER:

As soon as I receive the recommendations from the various bodies on their representatives.

For written reply:

Bantu residing in/outside national homelands 542. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Statistics:

(a) How many persons in each Bantu ethnic group reside (i) in and (ii) outside their national homeland and (b) how many in each group who reside outside their homeland are in (i) urban and (ii) rural areas.

The MINISTER OF STATISTICS:

(a)

(i)

(ii)

Xhosa

2 206 691

1 723 905

Zulu

2 135 448

1 891 107

Swazi

112 020

386 696

Sepedi

1 001 181

602 666

North Ndebele

70 008

111 740

South Ndebele

55 249

177 772

Tswana

610 528

1 108 838

Seshoeshoe

144 060

1 307 785

Shangaan

392 910

344 259

Venda

251 235

106 684

Other

18 904

299 321

(b)

(i)

(ii)

Xhosa

1 048 138

675 767

Zulu

1 013 299

877 808

Swazi

169 337

217 359

Sepedi

319 356

283 310

North Ndebele

41 338

70 402

South Ndebele

75 082

102 690

Tswana

597 249

511 589

Seshoeshoe

641 088

666 697

Shangaan

204 280

139 979

Venda

62 640

44 044

Other

238 622

60 699

Ships awaiting berth outside major ports 561. Mr. L. E. D. WINCHESTER

asked the Minister of Transport:

(a) How many ships were forced to wait for berths outside the ports of Durban, East London, Port Elizabeth, Cape Town and Walvis Bay, respectively, on each day since 1st January, 1971. and (b) what was the average period these ships were forced to wait.

The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT:

(a) The following are details of vessels awaiting berths outside the harbours of Durban, East London, Port Elizabeth and Table Bay since 1st January. 1971:

January, 1971

February, 1971

March, 1971

April, 1971

Vessels calling normally

Suezdiverted ships

Vessels calling normally

Suezdiverted ships

Vessels calling normally

Suezdiverted ships

Vessels calling normally

Suezdiverted ships

Durban

1st

6

1

12

6

10

19

3

2nd

9

6

14

3

10

14

4

3rd

14

15

5

4

13

1

4th

15

2

7

8

9

5th

15

10

10

12

6th

15

1

12

11

15

7th

14

13

12

12

12

8th

14

7

10

11

11

9th

14

9

7

14

10th

16

6

8

18

3

11th

14

3

2

9

21

12th

10

2

10

1

23

1

13th

15

3

8

4

28

7

14th

12

5

5

11

2

24

7

15th

11

5

6

4

8

16

3

16th

14

1

3

1

8

3

9

17th

16

3

10

2

12

3

18th

14

2

15

15

19th

12

4

1

13

4

17

20th

11

1

1

14

11

10

2

21st

9

1

11

13

1

22nd

11

4

11

13

5

23rd

16

1

13

13

8

24th

18

1

1

18

2

14

4

25th

15

5

10

2

16

26th

18

9

8

16

27th

13

8

10

10

28th

9

12

2

11

6

29th

6

13

2

11

30th

8

14

5

31st

14

2

21

8

East London

1st

7

2nd

3rd

1

1

4th

1

5th

6th

7th

8th

9th

10th

11th

1

12th

13th

14th

1

15th

16th

17th

18th

2

19th

1

20th

2

21st

1

2

22nd

3

23rd

4

24th

3

25th

6

1

26th

4

1

1

27th

7

28th

1

9

29th

30th

31st

Port Elizabeth

1st

8

12

11

5

2nd

7

12

11

7

3rd

2

12

12

9

4th

1

14

10

9

5th

2

8

12

11

6th

3

5

9

10

7th

5

6

7

11

8th

2

5

7

8

9th

2

6

7

10th

3

4

4

7

11th

1

2

4

11

12th

3

3

8

13th

3

3

5

14th

1

5

2

5

15th

2

3

3

3

16th

6

5

4

6

17th

5

5

6

4

18th

4

6

3

3

19th

3

8

5

4

20th

7

8

4

5

21st

5

11

4

6

22nd

5

9

3

4

23rd

4

5

3

7

24th

5

7

4

10

25th

6

8

2

7

26th

7

9

5

6

27th

8

5

6

4

28th

5

11

5

4

29th

3

7

4

30th

5

31st

3

Table Bay

1st

5

1

2

5

2

17

12

2nd

4

1

1

10

2

5

18

13

3rd

8

5

1

9

4

9

22

11

4th

7

2

9

6

9

26

9

5th

6

6

8

8

5

5

26

6

6th

7

4

6

6

4

4

26

3

7th

2

3

4

10

8

2

24

1

8th

2

3

5

8

9

6

24

9th

4

3

6

5

12

7

21

10th

3

5

4

7

14

6

20

11th

4

6

3

7

7

8

16

1

12th

3

1

1

4

11

7

16

1

13th

2

4

5

16

4

15

14th

2

2

3

4

22

5

14

15th

1

1

3

7

22

5

12

3

16th

2

1

6

10

16

3

6

4

17th

2

3

5

10

21

4

8

3

18th

1

8

15

21

3

9

2

19th

3

9

9

15

6

10

3

20th

9

3

8

6

18

7

11

2

21st

2

3

7

6

20

6

10

3

22nd

3

7

6

8

19

6

11

7

23rd

1

8

6

5

21

8

7

1

24th

1

10

5

9

23

8

12

2

25th

1

10

5

3

17

9

11

6

26th

2

9

4

13

8

16

4

27th

1

7

9

10

20

4

28th

11

2

11

11

21

2

29th

1

7

12

10

21

2

30th

1

6

15

12

31st

4

11

11

No vessels were required to await berths outside Walvis Bay Harbour during the period in question

  1. (b) Durban:
    Average actual hours, 69.
    Average port hours, 26.
    East London:
    Average actual hours, 26.
    Average port hours, 10.
    Port Elizabeth:
    Average actual hours, 41.
    Average port hours, 16.
    Table Bay:
    Average actual hours. 42.
    Average port hours, 17.

These figures exclude the waiting time of Suez-diverted vessels, of which no record is maintained, and are in respect of the period 1st January, 1971, to 15th April, 1971. Details of subsequent waiting time are not yet readily available.

579. Mr. L. F. WOOD

—Withdrawn.

Whites and non-Whites in State employ earning more than R720 p.a. 584. Mr. L. F. WOOD

asked the Minister of the Interior:

How many (a) White, (b) Coloured, (c) Indian and (d) Bantu persons are (i) in State employ and (ii) in receipt of salaries in excess of R720 per year.

The MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR:

(a) Personnel employed in the Public Service:

White

104 783

Coloured

29 480

Indian

7 194

Bantu

131 102

Total

272 559

(b) Personnel in receipt of salaries in excess of R720 per year:

White

104 783

Coloured

24 132

Indian

7 064

Bantu

54 702

Total

190 681

Particulars regarding Provincial personnel are not readily available and are, therefore, excluded.