House of Assembly: Vol35 - FRIDAY 16 APRIL 1971

FRIDAY, 16TH APRIL, 1971

For oral reply.

Domestic and Foreign sports boycotts *1. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Sport and Recreation:

  1. (1) Whether South Africans were barred from participation in any international sporting events during (a) 1970 and (b) the first three months of 1971; if so, (i) on how many occasions and (ii) from which events;
  2. (2) whether any foreign sportsmen (a) refused or (b) cancelled acceptance of invitations to participate in sporting events in the Republic during these periods; if so, (i) on how many occasions and (ii) what were the events concerned.
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION:
  1. (1) (a) Yes. (b) Yes.
    1. (i) Nine.
    2. (ii)
      1. (a) The South African Cricket Team to Great Britain.
      2. (b) The South African Basketball Touring Team to the United States of America.
      3. (c) Women’s Softball Team for World Championship in Osaka, Japan.
      4. (d) South African Women’s Net-ball Team for International Netball Championships in Jakarta.
      5. (e) The South African Life Saying Team for the World Championships in Bulgaria.
      6. (f) The South African Aero Club Team in the World Championships in Yugoslavia.
      7. (g) The South African Gymnastic Team in the World Championship in Yugoslavia.
      8. (h) The South African Swimming Team to West Germany Championships in West Germany.
      9. (i) Two Marathon athletes in an International Meeting in Greece.
  2. (2) (a) No. (b) Yes.
    1. (i) Two.
    2. (ii)
      1. (a) A West German Men’s Hockey Team.
      2. (b) A Spanish Waterpolo and Swimming Team.
Area K between Ceres and Prince Alfred Hamlet *2. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Planning:

  1. (1) On what date was Area K, between Ceres and Prince Alfred Hamlet, proclaimed a Coloured group area;
  2. (2) whether representations against the establishment of a Coloured community in this area have been received by him or his Department since that date; if so, (a) from what organizations, (b) on what dates and (c) on what grounds was the proposal opposed;
  3. (3) whether the proclamation of Area K as a Coloured group area is to be reconsidered; if so, what area is being considered as an alternative area for Coloured occupation.
The MINISTER OF PLANNING:

(1) 15th May, 1970.

(2)

(a) Organizations

(b) Dates

(i)

A deputation of the Coloured community of Ceres (representations submitted by Executive of Coloured People’s Representative Council)

29.6.1970

(ii)

Dutch Reformed Mission Church in South Africa

11.8.1970

(iii)

Divisional Council of Ceres, Chamber of Commerce, Warm Bokkeveld Agricultural Society, Dutch Reformed Mission Churches of Ceres and Prince Alfred Hamlet

14.9.1970

(c) For various reasons, which are difficult to cover fully in an answer like this, I suggest that the hon. member put this part of the question to me under my Planning Vote.

(3) No. In a Press statement dated 1st October, 1970, I indicated that the existing Coloured group area at Ceres will be retained, and that Area K must be seen as an additional area for Coloured housing.

Behaviour of Railway officials towards Bantu connected with University of the North *3. Mrs. H. SUZMAN

asked the Minister of Transport:

  1. (1) Whether his attention has been drawn to a report of the alleged behaviour of Railway officials towards the wife of a professor of the University of the North and a librarian of the same institution on the Pietersburg — Johannesburg train;
  2. (2) whether (a) an investigation of the matter has been ordered or (b) any other steps have been taken; if not, why not;
  3. (3) whether he will make a statement in regard to the matter.
The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT:
  1. (1) Yes.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) Yes.
    2. (b) The Public Prosecutor has declined to prosecute. The matter is, however, being dealt with under the Departmental Disciplinary Code.
  3. (3) No.
Export of coke and recovery of by-products of coal *4. Mr. W. T. WEBBER

asked the Minister of Economic Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether, in view of negotiations for a contract to supply coke to a foreign country, the Republic has the necessary plant to recover the byproducts of coal;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement in regard to the matter.
The MINISTER OF ECONOMIC AFFAIRS:

I am not aware of any negotiations of the nature referred to by the hon. member which are at present being conducted or which are being contemplated.

Since the known reserves of coking coal in the country are limited, the export of coking coal, as well as coke, is strictly controlled. Only small and occasional exports of coke are permitted from time to time when the local production during short periods exceeds the local demand.

Bitumen in limited quantities is the only by-product which is recovered in the production of coke, and the installations available for the processing of coking coal into coke are, of course, equipped to extract this by-product.

*5. Mr. M. L. MITCHELL

—Reply standing over.

Report of ecologist K. L. Tinley *6. Mr. M. L. MITCHELL

asked the Minister of Bantu Administration and Development:

  1. (1) Whether he or his Department has considered the report of ecologist K. L. Tinley concerning the Etosha Game Reserve and associated subjects; if so,
  2. (2) whether the recommendations in the report were found acceptable; if so,
  3. (3) whether the recommendations will be implemented; if not, why not.
The MINISTER OF BANTU ADMINISTRATION AND DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (1) Yes.
  2. (2) No.
  3. (3) Falls away.
Mr. M. L. MITCHELL:

Arising out of the Minister’s reply, Mr. Speaker, may I point out that part of the question is “Why not?”; in other words, why the recommendations could not be accepted?

The MINISTER:

Because it was not regarded as practicable.

Establishment of Chair of Pharmacy at University of Westville *7. Mr. L. F. WOOD

asked the Minister of Indian Affairs:

  1. (1) Whether it is the intention to establish a Chair of Pharmacy at the University of Westville; if so, (a) what posts will be created and (b) at what salary scales;
  2. (2) what are (a) the existing posts and (b) the salary scales in the existing Department of Pharmacy at this university.
The MINISTER OF INDIAN AFFAIRS:
  1. (1) A Chair of Pharmacy has already been instituted on 1st January, 1971.
    1. (a) and (b) fall away.
  2. (2)
    1. (a) 1 Professor.
      2 Senior Lecturers.
      3 Lecturers.
      2 Senior Laboratory Assistants.
      1 Laboratory Assistant.
    2. (b) White:
      Professor: R6 600x300—8 100/ x 300—8 700.
      Senior Lecturer: R5 400x300— 6 600/x 300—7 200.
      Lecturer: R4 200x 150—4 800x 300-5 400/x 300—6 000.
      Senior Laboratory Assistant: R2 400x120—3 600.
      Laboratory Assistant: ———
      Indian:
      Professor: R5 040x 120—6 240.
      Senior Lecturer: R4 080x120— 5 040.
      Lecturer: R2 880 x 120—4 080.
      Senior Laboratory Assistant: R1 740x90—2 370.
      Laboratory Assistant: R900x60 —1 200x90—1 920.
Mr. L. F. WOOD:

Arising out of the reply of the hon. the Minister, is it the intention to limit the final year intake of students to 12 per annum?

The MINISTER:

The hon. member must give notice of that question.

National road Libode—Port St. Johns, Port St. Johns—Port Edward *8. Mr. T. G. HUGHES

asked the Minister of Transport:

Whether the national road (a) from Libode to Port St. Johns and (b) between Port St. Johns and Port Edward has been located; if so. when is it expected that work on constructing each of these roads

will commence; if not, (i) why not and (ii) when is it expected that they will be located.

The MINISTER OF TRANSPORT:
  1. (a) Yes. Consulting engineers have already been appointed to proceed with the planning, and construction can commence during 1973 provided that Treasury can provide the necessary funds.
  2. (b) No.
    1. (i) Due to shortage of staff, difficult terrain and anticipated high cost. Here I also wish to add that the route which will eventually be adopted depends on the availability of funds which must be provided by the Treasury.
    2. (ii) No indication can be given at this stage.
Drug taking and drug abuse by prisoners in S.A. prisons *9. Mr. L. F. WOOD

asked the Minister of Prisons:

Whether he has received any reports of drug taking and drug abuse by prisoners in South African prisons; if so, (a) what is the extent of the abuse and (b) what drugs are mainly involved.

The MINISTER OF PLANNING (for the Minister of Prisons):

Yes.

  1. (a) Only isolated cases.
  2. (b) Dagga.
Outstanding applications for telephones *10. Mr. E. G. MALAN

asked the Minister of Posts and Telegraphs:

(a) How many applications for telephones were outstanding as at 31st March, 1971, and (b) what is the number expected to be by 30th June, 1971.

The MINISTER OF POSTS AND TELEGRAPHS:

(a) 121 068, and (b) 124 000.

*Mr. E. G. MALAN:

Arising out of the reply of the hon. the Minister, are these figures more or less according to expectations?

*The MINISTER:

They are according to expectations and in accordance with the exposition I gave during the Budget debate.

Cost of Commissions of Inquiry into Financial Relations *11. Mr. L. G. MURRAY

asked the Minister of Finance:

What was the cost of (a) the Commission of Inquiry into the financial relations between the Central Government and the provinces and (b) the Committee of Inquiry into the financial relations between the Central Government, the provinces and local authorities.

The MINISTER OF FINANCE:
  1. (a) R45 417.
  2. (b) R25 184.
Official visits overseas by Ministers of Community Development *12. Brig. H. J. BRONKHORST

asked the Minister of Community Development:

  1. (1) Whether it is his intention to visit overseas countries in his official capacity in the near future; if so, (a) which countries, (b) for what purpose, (c) who will accompany him, (d) when will the visits take place and (e) what is the estimated cost;
  2. (2) whether any of his predecessors paid similar visits during the past ten years; if so, (a) when, (b) which countries were visited and (c) what were the costs of these visits.
The MINISTER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (1)
    1. (a) Yes. England, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Greece, Spain and Portugal.
    2. (b)
      1. (i) To visit the different Embassies in view of accommodation problems arising from the duty of my Department of Public Works to furnish offices for staff abroad. This function was taken over from External Affairs by Public Works, and I must, therefore, acquaint myself with the circumstances.
      2. (ii) To study and observe housing and urban renewal affairs which changes from time to time, including the financing concerned therewith and to acquaint myself and my Department with pre-fabrication methods and other matters dealt with by my Department.
    3. (c) My wife, the Secretary for Public Works, Mr. Howard, the Senior Deputy Secretary for Community Development, Mr. L. Fouche, and my private secretary, Mr. A. H. Fuchs.
    4. (d) From the 29th June, 1971, to the 21st August, 1971.
    5. (e) R15 000.
  2. (2) Visits abroad have been undertaken by my predecessors in 1963 and 1967, but the purpose of the visits differed completely in many respects as indicated below:
    1. (a) and (b) In 1963 to Europe and the United Kingdom in connection with the study of planning affairs in view of the investigation into the desirability of the establishment of a Department of Planning and division of duties between the former Department of Community Development and the new Department of Planning and the former Department of Housing, and in 1967 to Europe, the United Kingdom, Canada and the U.S.A, to look into welfare matters (as Minister of Social Welfare and Pensions), urban renewal and housing.
    2. (c) 1963: R14 326.
      1967: R28 500.
Subsidization of private schools *13. Mr. W. H. D. DEACON

asked the Minister of National Education:

  1. (1) Whether he has received representations in connection with subsidization of private schools; if so, (a) from whom and (b) what was the nature of the representations;
  2. (2) whether he will make a statement in regard to the matter.
The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION:
  1. (1) Yes.
    1. (a) The Chairman of the Private Schools’ Action Committee of the Roman Catholic Church.
    2. (b) To ask for financial aid from the Government for the private schools concerned.
  2. (2) No; because it is a matter falling under the jurisdiction of the Provincial Administrations.
Official map of S.A. showing territorial areas of various ethnic groups *14. Mr. J. O. N. THOMPSON

asked the Minister of Bantu Administration and Development:

  1. (1) Whether an official map of South Africa showing the areas of land forming the territorial areas of the various ethnic groups is available; if so, (a) which map, (b) when was it published and (c) where is it obtainable; if not,
  2. (2) whether he will take steps to have such a map published; if not, why not.
The MINISTER OF BANTU ADMINISTRATION AND DEVELOPMENT:
  1. (1) No. (a), (b) and (c) Fall away.
  2. (2) No. Such a map is not deemed necessary at this stage.
Mr. J. O. N. THOMPSON:

Arising out of the hon. the Minister’s reply, may I ask whether, in view of the huge and most important issues at stake, it would not be advisable for him to reconsider his decision not to produce such a map?

The MINISTER:

I said that at this stage it was not necessary but, if at any future stage it becomes necessary, then it may be done.

*15. Mr. I. O. N. THOMPSON

—Reply standing over.

Representations from Transkei re transfer of departments and incorporation of additional territories *16. Mr. E. G. MALAN

asked the Minister of Bantu Administration and Development:

  1. (1) Whether representations from the Transkei have been made to him on an official level in connection with (a) the transfer of additional departments to the Transkeian Government and (b) the incorporation of certain additional territories into the Transkei; if so, (i) on what dates, (ii) what is the name of the person or body by whom the representations were made, (iii) which departments and territories are involved, (iv) what reasons were given for the representations and (v) what was his reply in each case;
  2. (2) whether he has taken any steps in this regard since his reply; if so, what steps.
The MINISTER OF BANTU ADMINISTRATION AND DEVELOPMENT:

The hon. member is referred to my replies on the 23rd February, 1971, and the 5th March, 1971, to Question No. 5 by the hon. member for Houghton.

Report of commission of inquiry into matters affecting safety of the State *17. Mr. M. L. MITCHELL

asked the Prime Minister:

Whether he is now in a position to make a statement concerning the report of the commission of inquiry into matters affecting the safety of the State.

The PRIME MINISTER:

Yes; next week when my Vote comes under discussion.

Mr. M. L. MITCHELL:

Arising out of the hon. the Prime Minister’s reply, is he not going to make those parts of the report available which are to be published before his Vote?

The PRIME MINISTER:

No; it cannot be made available because it has not yet been translated and printed.

Mr. R. M. CADMAN:

Further arising out of the hon. the Prime Minister’s reply, is he not aware that the chiropractic report was published in one language only?

The PRIME MINISTER:

That may be so, Sir, but in this case I want to publish the report in both languages because it is a very important report.

Mr. W. T. WEBBER:

You mean it suits you this time.

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order!

Mr. M. L. MITCHELL:

Further arising out of the hon. the Prime Minister’s reply, can he tell us why it has taken such a long time to translate the report?

The PRIME MINISTER:

Because it is a lengthy report. [Interjections.]

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order!

Replies standing over from Tuesday, 13th April, 1971

Salaries of teachers in schools for special education

The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION replied to Question *5, by Mr. P. A. Pyper.

Question:

Whether any differentiation is made in the salaries and/or allowances paid to teachers in schools for special education under his Department and those paid to teachers of special classes under the control of the provincial authorities; if so, to what extent; if not, why not.

Reply:

Yes; if those paid to teachers of special classes under the control of the Transvaal Education Department at the clinic school at Loopspruit are discounted.

  1. (a) A pensionable allowance of one notch, in addition to the basic salary payable to a teacher in a school for special education.
  2. (b) Because there are no sound reasons for making any differentiation in the salaries or allowances paid to teachers in such schools and those paid to teachers of the classes referred to at Loopspruit.
Sabra’s youth programme for high schools

The MINISTER OF NATIONAL EDUCATION replied to Question *6, by Mr. P. A. Pyper.

Question:

Whether the organizers of Sabra’s youth programme for high schools are required to submit papers, documents or pamphlets issued by them in the pursuance of their programme to his Department or the provincial educational authorities for approval; if not, why not.

Reply:

No, not so far; because it is not expected from other organizations.

Mr. P. A. PYPER:

Arising out of the hon. the Minister’s reply, is he prepared to extend the same privilege to the South African Institute of Race Relations?

*The MINISTER:

Applications are considered on merit.

Mrs. C. D. TAYLOR:

Arising out of the hon. the Minister’s reply, may I ask him what criterion he uses in determining the merits of an application?

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order!

For written reply:

Rentals i.r.o. official quarters of S.A. Police 518. Brig. C. C. VON KEYSERLINGK

asked the Minister of Police:

What are the scales of rentals paid in respect of official quarters occupied by (a) White and (b) non-White members of the South African Police.

The MINISTER OF POLICE:

(a)

Married White members—R.S.A.:

Monthly rental per living-room

Salary group and/or Rank

Wood and iron quarters

Brick quarters erected before 1.1.45

Brick quarters erected since 1.1.45

R1 110-2 400

R1-50

R2-00

R2-50

R2 550-2 850

R2-00

R2-50

R3-00

R3 000-3 450

R2-50

R3-00

R3-50

R3 600-4 050

R3-00

R3-50

R4-00

R4 200-4 650

R3-50

R4-00

R4-50

R4 800-5 400

R4-00

R4-50

R5-00

Lieut. Col

R4-50

R5-00

R5-50

Colonel

R5-00

R5-50

R6-00

Brigadier

R5-50

R6-00

R6-50

Higher than Brigadier

R6-00

R6-50

R7-00

Married White members—R.S.A.:

Type: Flat or house

Total monthly rental calculated to nearest 50c

1 Roomed flat

R 2-50

2

R 4-00

3

R 5-50

2 Roomed house

R 2-00

3

R 3-50

4

R 6-00

5

R 8-50

6

R11-50

7

R15-00

Single White members—R.S.A.:

Single room, brick quarters

R3-00 per month.

Brick quarters where room is shared.

R2-50 per month per member.

Wood and iron quarters

R2-00 per month.

Single White members—S.W.A.:

Single room: Furnished

R1-50 per month.

Unfurnished

R1-00 per month.

(b)

Married non-White members—R.S.A.:

Monthly rentals

Rank

Wood and iron quarters

Brick quarters erected before 1.1.45

Brick quarters erected since 1.1.45

Constable

R0-75

R1-00

R1-50

Sergeant

R1-50

R2-00

R2-50

Senior Serg

Chief Serg

R2-00

R2-50

R2-50

R3-00

R3-00

R3-50

Lieutenant

R3-00

R3-50

R4-00

Single Non-White members—R.S.A.:

Monthly rentals

Room without bath and/or cooking facilities.

R0-50 per member

Room (wood and iron) with bath and cooking facilities.

R0-75 per member

Dormitories (brick) with bath and cooking facilities where sleeping bunks are provided.

R1-00 per member

Dormitories (brick) with bath and cooking facilities where beds are provided.

R1-50 per member

Single room (brick) with bath and cooking facilities.

R2-00 per member

Non-White members—S.W.A.:

The scales of rentals in respect of quarters occupied by married Coloured members are the same as for those occupied by White members.

Bantu members are not being accommodated in official quarters.