House of Assembly: Vol13 - TUESDAY 9 MAY 1989
The sign * indicates a translation. The sign †, used subsequently in the same interpellation, indicates the original language.
General Affairs:
asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:
What is the policy of the Government on the accommodation during training of different population groups on mine premises in mixed dwelling-units?
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Mr Speaker, I want to refer the hon member for Carletonville to Hansard, Vol 106, col 5759. There he will be able to read that a former Minister of Mineral and Energy Affairs, on 27 April 1983, set out the Government’s labour policy in connection with the mineral industry as follows, and I quote him:
This policy is still being pursued.
†With the amendment last year of the Mines and Works Regulations to scrap the scheduled persons concept from the regulations, the policy was embodied in the regulations in connection with washing and latrine facilities to the extent that the manager shall, after negotiating with individual employees’ organisations as to the needs and preferences of their members, having regard to the physical, moral or social welfare of the members, provide and maintain adequate and suitable facilities.
The same policy—I stress the same policy— applies in respect of the accommodation during training of different population groups on mine premises in mixed dwelling units.
I would like to tell the hon member that in terms of section 21 (2) (b) of the Group Areas Act an Administrator may only after consultation with the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology grant a permit to persons who are not members of the White group to occupy proclaimed mine land.
When such consultation with the Administrator takes place, it will be in accordance with the declared policy to which I have just referred.
Mr Speaker, apparently the hon the Deputy Minister did not look at the wording of the interpellation, because the qualification clearly stated there is “during training”. During training that apprentice is not a member of a trade union or an employees’ organisation and is therefore unable to negotiate.
These people seek work during a period in which it is scarce. They are only too pleased to find work irrespective of the conditions the employer imposes on them. They have no chance to negotiate. These people are being compelled to share hostels with people of colour. The hon the Deputy Minister is aware that hostels are going to be erected on mine land at Kloof Mine, where the Whites are going to live together with people of colour.
The Government made such a fuss about how it believed in freedom of association. What is freedom of association? Freedom of association means that one at least has a choice as to whether one wants to associate with a person or not. What freedom of association does the person have here, however, where only one hostel is going to be constructed for all population groups? What freedom does he have except to say that he does not want to work there and then to go and look for another job? He cannot find other work and he would like to be trained as a mine-worker or artisan. He therefore has no other choice but to go and stay in that place together with the people of colour.
The hon the Deputy Minister is kicking up such a fuss now. He has just quoted to us a passage in which mention was made of employees’ organisations. We know that he referred to the same thing last week and it was then said that an agreement had been reached with the employees. The employees’ organisation was not consulted about this matter. The employers concluded a unilateral agreement with certain people. That agreement was accepted by the Government, because he quoted it here. The organisation, as I see it, is the trade union which represents the employees and which has to be consulted, and they were not consulted about this matter of these apprentices who are being forced to live with people of colour.
Provision is being made for married people with children to be admitted to the training school as well. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, once again by asking this question the CP has revealed the ugly face of race prejudice. To wish to avoid ordinary human contact in shared accommodation during training programmes on mine premises, or anywhere else, is an extremely offensive attitude to adopt towards people of colour. If miners can work side by side in dangerous situations underground and if they can entrust their lives to each other underground, why cannot they share training facilities on the surface? This question, once again, reveals precisely the kind of attitude that has alienated White South Africans from the rest of the civilised world.
The answer of the hon the Deputy Minister reveals, on the one hand, a lack of clear and courageous leadership on this question, and on the other hand, an attempt to run away from the consequences of their own policy by hiding behind a permit system.
The laws of this Government, such as the Group Areas Act, the Reservation of Separate Amenities Act and elements of the Mines and Works Act and the Shops and Offices Act, are based on segregationist thinking and are parent to the situation we have and give rise to the interpellation we have here today. This Government has consistently refused shared facilities in other education and training establishments, such as universities, technikons, schools and so forth, and thus is part of this whole problem. [Interjections.] The NP must put its own house in order before it criticises the CP. [Interjections.]
The DP believes in freedom of association. We say that individual businesses should be free to regulate their own internal arrangements within the framework of a non-discriminatory bill of rights. Any businessman will tell one that shared training facilities is part of a process leading to better company morale and should be encouraged. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, I am prepared to concede to the hon member for Constantia that much of what he has said I certainly can accept. We are moving away from segregation. In fact, the whole history of Government policy in the past ten years or so clearly indicates that the Government is moving away from discrimination and that it is trying to get the different race groups of South Africa to co-operate and work together in peace and harmony.
Unlike that party, the NP does not believe that one must rub people’s noses into something new which they are, perhaps, not prepared to accept at this stage. Reform is a transitionary thing. It takes place as people’s attitudes change. The NP is active in changing people’s attitudes. The legislation which has been passed in recent years and months clearly indicates this. That hon member has no feeling whatsoever for the views of the hon member for Carletonville who was a leader of a trade union movement and is perhaps reflecting some of their attitudes. We in the NP make provision for people to change their attitudes as time and circumstance allow.
I want to ask the hon member for Carletonville whose views he is really representing. Are they the views of the CP or are they the views of that particular hon member? The NP believes that the workers, given this framework, can sort out many of these problems themselves, as indeed they did in regard to mixed shower and washing facilities. I referred to this matter during the discussion on the last interpellation that the hon member for Carletonville brought to this House.
As far as training facilities are concerned, I can tell the hon member that the department has received an application from the Chamber of Mines for a surface right permit. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, we are pleased that the hon the Deputy Minister had the courage to say that the NP was moving away from segregation.
That is nothing new!
In that case I should like to know where it is moving to. Is it the policy of the NP that it is moving towards integration? [Interjections.] One can have either separation or integration. One cannot have both. If one is moving away from separation, one must be moving towards integration. I am therefore pleased about the admission of the hon the Deputy Minister today that this is the course the NP is at present following.
It is correct that freedom of association may exist, as the DP says, but I find it very strange that the DP does not also recognise the democratic right of freedom of association. If there are people who do not wish to associate, why should they be forced to associate? [Interjections.]
Order! The hon member for Constantia must contain himself. The hon member for Bethal may proceed.
I want to ask the hon the Minister whether he acknowledges that the workers who are receiving training will have the right to separate hostels and that they will not be forced to live together in mixed hostels and mixed residential units where men, women and children and as much as two children per family are allowed to live together. Is it the policy of the Government that separate facilities should be provided for these people if they insist on them, and what steps will the Government take to enforce this if the employers and management do not wish to provide this themselves?
Mr Speaker, I want to tell the hon the Deputy Minister that I reflect the feelings of the White workers in White South Africa. [Interjections.] I want to say in addition that job integration brings social integration in its wake, and social integration means total integration. When that has happened, what right does an employee have to exercise his freedom of association if he has lived with people of colour during his training, but refuses to live with people of colour in a residential area, which is maintained by his employer, after he has completed his training?
I want to make it clear that in South Africa today big business is the NP’s master. It is they who dictate to the NP what to do. Big business wants integration, and this Government follows meekly behind. They are complying with the demands of big business. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, when the hon member for Carletonville starts talking about the “geldmag van Suid-Afrika,” I am afraid he loses the ear of many people because he is talking about spooks that do not exist.
I want to say to the hon member for Bethal that I did not say that the NP was moving away from segregation and into integration as he implies. [Interjections.] What I implied was that the NP was moving away from racial prejudices and fears. [Interjections.]
The policy is quite clear with regard to the training establishments. I want to say to the hon members that none of the training centres are integrated as far as accommodation is concerned—as far as my department knows. As far as Kloof mine is concerned, we have had an application from them. As I have said, in terms of section 21 (2) (b) of the Group Areas Act, the Administrator will come to the department and seek the department’s views on this. The application will only be considered by the Mining Commissioner on receipt of documentary proof that the permit for exemption in terms of the Group Areas Act has been issued to the Chamber of Mines.
I want say to that hon member that he must look at the regulations and advise the members of the Mineworkers’ Union to study those regulations. Let them then decide to negotiate with the employers concerned or the Chamber of Mines—which is an employers’ union, if one wants to call it that—on this matter and see whether or not this matter can be resolved in an amicable manner between employer and employee groups. [Time expired.]
Debate concluded.
asked the Minister of Finance:
What steps does the Government intend taking to (a) increase the gross domestic product and (b) alleviate unemployment?
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Mr Speaker, I think anybody who not only can provide the answer to this question but can also implement it in this country within the constraints within which we have to operate is certainly worthy of the highest decoration imaginable. I shall try, in the limited time at my disposal, to give some indication as to how we are addressing this particular issue.
I want to say right at the outset that, in the first place, we on this side of the House believe that it is not primarily the function of the State but that of the private sector to provide employment. It is obvious, based on that point of departure, that it is then incumbent upon the Government to provide the necessary atmosphere and environment within which the private sector can indeed provide the necessary employment opportunities.
However, we no longer see that almost one-on-one relationship between economic growth and the creation of employment. In our hi-tech environment it is quite possible today to achieve very substantial growth rates without the concomitant employment opportunities which were an inherent part of economic growth in the past. An analysis of how we have grown in the past few years will show that fortunately, with the modest growth rate that we could register, there has indeed been a very satisfactory degree of job creation in the process.
We operate within the framework of our long-term economic strategy as developed by the Economic Advisory Council of the hon the State President, and right now the Central Economic Advisory Service has already made very substantial progress in the development of a completely adapted economic development programme involving not only nine different areas, but also more than 30 committees or working groups in which the private sector is also involved.
What do we intend to do in terms of our long-term economic strategy? We intend, in accordance with what has been recommended by the Economic Advisory Council and accepted by the Government, to strengthen and develop the modern sector in our economy, because it is that sector which is income-generating, work-generating, a creator of surplus funds and also the main supplier of the expertise necessary to develop our very complex economy.
We base our development programme on three broad points: Firstly, on inward industrialisation as the main component of our economic development programme; secondly, on a deregulation of the economy so as to provide the maximum opportunity possible for self-employment … [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, there is no doubt that the State has an obligation to create the climate for employment. The private sector cannot go against the stream, and if the State does not create the climate, the private sector cannot succeed on its own. Growth is certainly possible with a limited increase in employment, but increased employment without economic growth is almost impossible.
What is really needed in South Africa is not mere talk about inward industrialisation but its actual application. The tragedy is that there is so much concentration today on the fact that everything must be left to the private sector—that if the private sector does not start it, the State does not give the impetus. I submit that if inward industralisation is to succeed in South Africa, the State will have to give the impetus and lay the foundations for it. As I see it, we have spoken about inward industrialisation, but we have not created the foundation for it in our country.
Secondly, deregulation has become a buzz-word, but it is only actually being applied to a very limited extent. Productivity is something that we talk about, but there is insufficient encouragement for productivity. Training is one of the essentials for overcoming South Africa’s manpower problems, and yet our education system is not geared to producing the kind of people who are technically required in South Africa. We continue to concentrate on knowledge of Latin, history and geography, but we do not know how to lay a brick, work a machine or do all the other technical things which are required in South Africa.
We need private fixed investment in South Africa to be encouraged to a far greater extent. Above all, what we need is to create a climate of confidence in South Africa where people know what is going to happen both politically and economically so that in that kind of climate people will have the confidence to create jobs on a long-term basis.
The reality is, if we look at the figures, some of them are startling. In the period from 1970 to 1975, per capita growth was 1,35%; from 1975 to 1980, it was 0,13%; while in the period from 1980 to 1985 it was—0,55%. In 1986 it was—l,20%;in 1987, it was 0,2%; and in 1988 it was 1%. On those figures South Africa cannot grow at the rate which we need for stability. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, in the two minutes at my disposal it is really an impossible task to deal properly with such a comprehensive subject, and that is why I merely wish to express a few thoughts on the matter.
The authorities must create the fiscal and monetary climate for capital formation by means of saving by the private as well as the personal sector. It is our standpoint that it is primarily the task of the private sector to promote the economy and production and in that way create more job opportunities, if possible. I agree with the hon the Minister that these do not necessarily go hand in hand. The authorities must see to the basic infrastructure and must only intervene if the private sector is unwilling or not able to do what is necessary. Only if the private sector cannot do it must the authorities do what is necessary.
A further idea is that dissaving by the authorities must be curtailed so that available capital which is generated by the private sector can be employed by the private sector to promote production and to create more job opportunities.
Unproductive spending and unproductive salary opportunities, in contrast with job opportunities—in my opinion there is a difference—as a result of an enlarged and growing bureaucracy must be curtailed.
Productivity in general in South Africa, in all sectors of the economy, must be drastically increased and the watchword should be “work, save and produce”. That applies to all the sectors. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, I just want to complete the three points. I will cover, firstly, the revised Economic Development Programme with the accent on inward industrialisation if I have enough time because we have already done a very substantial amount
in this regard; secondly, deregulating the economy to provide self-employment; and, thirdly, privatisation in order to mobilise capital in our capital-poor environment for the development of underdeveloped communities and underdeveloped areas.
I differ with the hon member in this regard. He is entitled to criticise us. I do not think that we can ever argue from this side of the House that we have ever done enough. I do, however, think that within our means available we have done an awful lot. We have spent more that R1,2 billion on a special employment programme, financing more than 100 million man-days and in the process trained more than 1 million workers, 30% of whom were absorbed in formal employment and the others certainly basically equipped to account for themselves in the informal sector.
As far as housing is concerned, billions of rand have been spent over the past number of years, not only on the part of the State but also with very substantial private sector involvement.
As far as deregulation is concerned, I can quote many more matters that are in process. My hon colleague has published for comment very real deregulation plans with regard to licensing etc. I want, however, to agree with one point that the hon member mentioned and that is that we are not sufficiently geared towards technical education and training. I fully endorse that point of view of his. It is my own experience as well and my own conviction and we had better start doing something about it because that is the very key to our survival. In this respect, my hon colleague has just reminded me that Mossgas for instance will be spending not less than R70 million by way of training of people in order to acquire new skills over the next few years. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, I think there is one further matter which we have to deal with and that is the present economic situation. We need to get a few things straight. There is an endeavour, by the measures that have been introduced, to reduce consumer demand. I would like to submit that the actions to reduce demand should not be actions to reduce demand for South African produced products, or to reduce demand in respect of the confident investor in respect of private fixed investment. What we must do is to reduce demand in respect of imported goods, and what we also need to do is to ensure that there is no unnecessary credit incurred and that the money supply is restrained.
The reality is that we in South Africa actually cannot at this moment in time afford to go into a recession. We cannot afford unemployment because unemployment leads to instability and instability has a potential for violence. Employment is one of the best means of ensuring the security of South Africa. That, to my mind, is how we need to look at the present very difficult economic situation. Merely to get us into a recession will be an absolute disaster for South Africa because it is going to bring with it very serious problems relating to stability and, in fact, peace in this country.
There are some things that need to be said in regard to our population. We have to recognize that this is a tremendously growing population. In 1990 we are going to find that there probably will be 39 million people in Southern Africa, including the TBVC countries. We have to cater for those people. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, it is absolutely clear to me that despite everything that has been said and the protestations and statements to the contrary by this Government, they have failed in and abdicated their responsibility as far as developing the full economic potential of this country is concerned. There is ample evidence that in the formal sector our economic prospects are on the skids. The main causes are lack of confidence, loan finance and investment. The South African economy is no different from a business. Take away its funding and it is in trouble. Not only are we having to operate on reduced funds, we have also to pay back funds at an alarming rate. Then we also have disinvestment which is clear for all to see. This Government fails to acknowledge the cause of this sickness and concentrates on the symptoms, I believe for obvious reasons. Quite simply the cause of our economic malaise is that the Government fails to recognise the right of all our citizens to participate fully. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, I should just like to inform the hon member for Barberton that I am grateful for the measure to which we are in agreement, and as far as dissaving is concerned, I also want to agree with him. However, it is a matter which we cannot simply phase out overnight, particularly not in our present set of circumstances. We are working towards the goal, but the ultimate achievement of that goal is going to cause pain, either by means of taxation, which we would not like to do, or by the surrender of certain services which we will inevitably have to do and the scaling down of certain standards, which we will also inevitably have to do. I hope when we come to that stage—when it comes to the meting out of pain because it is not going to occur without pain—that the hon member will also support us.
†I also want to remind the hon member for Yeoville that our whole new approach in the past number of years in terms of urbanisation is one of the best examples—there are other practical examples as well—of the deregulated environment being created. I want to endorse what the hon member has said. We regard our Population Development Programme as an integral part of our overall economic strategy because, after all, what matters is what the growth per capita is. If all the growth in the economy is consumed by an unchecked increase in numbers, then it is a useless exercise and therefore that programme indeed enjoys the necessary priority within our whole policy framework.
As far as a recession is concerned we are also in agreement. We do not want this economy to go into a recession. We want it to operate at its optimal allowed growth rate, and in that respect I am the first to concede that it is not enough, but at least by doing that we are doing the best we can under very difficult circumstances.
Following that statement the hon member for Pinelands will understand why I am ignoring his speech and cannot comment on such nonsense. [Time expired.]
Debate concluded.
†Indicates translated version.
For oral reply :
General Affairs:
State President:
asked the State President:
- (1) Whether the State President’s Office has been informed of or is investigating the possibility of the involvement of foreign intelligence agencies with certain persons, whose names have been furnished to his Office for the purpose of his reply; if so,
- (2) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
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- (1) Heed has been taken of allegations that have been made in this regard.
- (2) It is an established principle that no public comments are made concerning any foreign espionage activities or counter-measures undertaken in this regard by the National Intelligence Service, owing to the fact that this could seriously impede the RSA’s counter-espionage activities. If, in the case that has been mentioned, or any other similar case, concrete evidence should be discovered, the appropriate steps shall be taken.
Ministers:
asked the Minister for Administration and Privatisation:†
Whether (a) temporary and (b) permanent officials in the Public Service contribute to the Unemployment Insurance Fund in terms of the Unemployment Insurance Act, No 30 of 1966; if not, why not?
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- (a) Yes.
- (b) No. According to section 2(2)(1) of the Unemployment Insurance Act, 1966 (Act 30 of 1966) officers appointed in terms of the Public Service Act, 1984 (Act 111 of 1984) are not regarded as contributors to the Unemployment Insurance Fund.
asked the Minister of Defence:†
With reference to his replies to Question No 6 on 21 February 1989 and Question No 19 on 11 April 1989, (a) what are the names of the persons who visited Mozambique in midDecember 1988, (b) at whose invitation did the visit take place and (c) what amount was contributed by each of these persons in respect of the cost involved in the visit?
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(a), (b) and (c). Following several Government visits in 1988 to various countries in Africa, the Governing Party of Mozambique invited at its own initiative a small visiting group of the South African Governing Party to visit Mozambique. The visiting group consisted of members of the House of Assembly and the President’s Council.
The Department of Foreign Affairs was informed in advance of the visit.
The Mozambican Government carried the costs of the visit. The SA Defence Force was requested to supply a Dakota for the return flight. The cost of the return flight was R5 264,00 while the cost of recreation during the wekend was carried by the members of the group themselves. It is not known to me how much was spent by each member.
Mr Speaker, arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, I wish to refer him to the question on the Question Paper. The question was what are the names of the persons. From his reply I must assume that it was not only members of the Government who were invited to participate in that visit. The question asks clearly which members of the Government went on the visit. [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, if the hon member understands Afrikaans, he must have listened to the reply to the question. I said they were members of the Government. Secondly, I repeat the invitation of the hon the Minister of Defence. If the hon member wishes to know these names he can approach me, but he will only be told confidentially. [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, further arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, if the names are confidential, must we accept that these members of the Government paid this visit to Mozambique in secret? [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, further arising from the answer of the hon the Deputy Minister, may I ask if it is the intention of the Department of Defence that they should hand out lollipops, in other words free trips, to members of the governing party at the taxpayers expense and then not advise this Parliament, which votes the money, as to who has benefited from the payment of the taxpayers money? [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, I can only repeat what I have already said. We can confidentially give the hon member more information. What he said is not true. There are other interests at stake which I am not prepared to divulge at this moment.
Mr Speaker, further arising from the answer of the hon the Deputy Minister, may I ask him whether Mr Peet de Pontes was one of the members who went on the tour? [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, further arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, must we accept that he is not prepared to say what hon members of the Government were invited, as this is a secret? Do the other hon members who were not invited know that some hon members went to Mozambique? [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, I am not aware of what other hon Members do or do not know. [Interjections.]
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
- (1) Whether any consideration has been given to transferring the handling of applications for exemption from the provisions of the Group Areas Act to any other Government Department; if so, (a) what consideration and (b) for what reason;
- (2) whether any other Government Department has been requested to handle such applications; if so, (a) what other Department, (b) what was its response and (c) what were its reasons for making this response?
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(1) and (2) The hon the Minister will make a statement on this matter today.
asked the Minister of Defence:
- (1) Whether he announced on or about 20 April 1989 that military service in terms of section 22(3)(b) of the Defence Act, No 44 of 1957, was to be reduced; if so,
- (2) whether this applies to (a) persons (i) currently rendering community service in terms of section 72E(3) of the said Act and (ii) liable to render such community service in the future and (b) persons who (i) are currently and (ii) may in future be serving prison sentences for refusing to render military service; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details?
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- (1) No, military service in terms of section 22(3)(b) of the Defence Act, Act No 44 of 1957, will not be reduced. The hon the Minister said that Citizen Force and Commando members will not be called up for periods longer than 30 days at a time and also that it is envisaged that Citizen Force members in the sixth cycle, will not be called up. These concessions can only be granted as long as permitted by the security situation.
- (2) Falls away.
asked the Minister of Finance:
Whether it is his intention to review the interest rate payable on Senior Citizen Bonds which have paid a fixed interest rate of 15 per cent per annum for the past two years; if so, what are the relevant details; if not, why not?
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No, there are no plans to increase the interest rate on the Senior Citizen Savings Bonds at this stage.
As mentioned in the 1987 Budget Speech and repeated in paragraph 3.2.7 of the 1989 Budget Review, the aim of these bonds is to provide a higher interest yield to senior citizens in times of abnormally low market rates of interest. The purpose of this instrument was not to offer higher returns than those available in the private sector at all times. This scheme and the interest rate of 15% were announced in June 1987 when the rate of increase in the consumer price index over 12 months was 17,3%, while the interest rate offered by building societies on 12-month fixed deposits was only 10,5%, i.e. almost 7% below the rate of inflation. Since then the rate of increase in the consumer price index has declined to 13,8% in March 1989, while building societies at present offer returns of 16% or more, on 12-month fixed investments, i.e. about 2,5% above the rate of inflation. Taking into account the purpose of these bonds, there is at this stage no justification for an increase in the interest rate on Senior Citizen Savings Bonds. If however market interest rates should again drop to very low levels (in real terms), consideration will be given to raising this interest rate, as well as that on the Senior Citizen Deposits.
asked the Minister of Finance:
Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Minister’s Department for the purpose of his reply, or any company of which he is a director, has received Reserve Bank permission to use South African currency for overseas investments or personal purposes; if so, (a) when, (b) for what purposes was the money intended, and (c) why was such permission given, in each case?
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According to the records of the Exchange Control Department of the Reserve Bank it appears that no such authorizations have been granted.
(a), (b) and (c) fall away.
Mr Speaker, arising out of…
Order! Will the hon member kindly give me an opportunity to give him the opportunity to ask this question?
Certainly, Mr Speaker.
Mr Speaker, arising out of the hon the Minister’s reply, would the hon the Minister be prepared to speculate on how Mr Berardo, who came to South Africa without a penny, became so well-endowed in Madeira after having left South Africa? [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, I am not prepared to speculate in any respect either as Minister of Finance or as Barend du Plessis, and I am definitely not prepared to speculate about the wealth or otherwise of any hon member of this House or any other person outside this House. [Interjection.]
asked the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry:
- (1) Whether he appointed a task force to inquire into the film industry in South Africa; if so,
- (2) whether this task force has submitted a report to him; if not, why not; if so, when;
- (3) whether any recommendations were made in this report; if so, what are these recommendations;
- (4) whether any member of Parliament has been permitted access to these recommendations; if so, (a) why and (b) what is the name of this member?
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- (1) Yes. It was, however, a task group and not a task force.
- (2) Yes. A report on changes to the existing A-scheme subsidies was submitted to me on February 21, 1989.
- (3) Yes. The crux of the recommendations in the report is that film subsidies in terms of the A-scheme should in future be granted according to the following formula: (a) a 25% subsidy on local qualifying expenditure irrespective of box office income, but on the condition that the motion picture concerned be commercially released; (b) a tax-free subsidy of 70% on domestic earnings up to a maximum of 100% of production costs, payable as soon as such earnings amount to R200 000 and calculated over a period of maximum two years after release; and (c) a subsidy of 30% on its overseas earnings coupled with the remission of income tax on such earnings. The recommendations were, however, not accepted in exactly that form.
- (4) Yes. After I had received the recommendations, and in keeping with an undertaking made when the task group was appointed, I consulted a wide variety of people prior to making a final decision. Such persons obviously had to be informed about the recommendations. I also discovered that these recommendations, in any event, had been general knowledge in the film industry right from the very beginning. It is a fact that I personally permitted Mrs Rozil Jager, nominated member of the National Party, access to the report as originally submitted in preparation of a speech made in Parliament about the film industry.
Mr Speaker, arising from the reply of the hon the Minister, does he believe that it is within the direct orbit of a Minister of this Parliament to circulate a report, which has not been publicly made available, to a member of the governing party in order to enable him to prepare his speech before the recommendations of such a report are made public.
Mr Speaker, it was not a controversial report and it was not a controversial speech which she made. I do not think that it is of such tremendous interest that the report should be published. On the other hand if that hon member or any other member would like to have the report to read they are welcome to it and I will make it available to them.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
Whether he will make available to members of Parliament the majority and minority reports of the committee appointed by the Administrator of the Cape to inquire into the establishment of a Black township at Wavecrest; if so, (a) when and (b) in what manner; if not, why not?
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This matter vests in the Administrator of the Cape Province and he has stated that no committee was appointed by him to inquire into the establishment of the said Black township.
Mr Speaker, arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, I understand full well that it is of course under the province but with the greatest respect provincial matters fall under the hon the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning. There is no longer as you are aware — a provincial council of which one can ask questions because it does not sit any longer. We cannot ask those questions of it and therefore the right place to ask these questions is in this Parliament. May I ask the hon the Deputy Minister why then has he failed to answer the question?
Mr Speaker, I have replied to the hon member and I will just read it again to the hon member as it seems to me he did not listen. This matter vests in the Administrator of the Cape Province and he has stated that no committee was appointed by him to inqure into the establishment of the said Black township.
Mr Speaker, further arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister I did not at any stage suggest that it was the present incumbent who had appointed such a committee. The question appears to have got slightly altered in translation. It was a township not a Black township. This matter refers to the Wavecrest affair which was a scandalous situation during the course of the 1970s.
Order! May I draw the hon member’s attention to the content of his question which reads:
I am just asking the hon member whether the reply of the hon Deputy Minister does not fully cover that question?
Mr Speaker, I do not believe it does because I did not say the present Administrator.
Mr Speaker, arising out of the reply of the hon the Deputy Minister, does he know that there are innumerable hon members of thie House who are aware of the fact that there is such a report? How therefore can he say there is no such a report?
Mr Speaker, I refer again to the last part of the question by the hon member for Port Elizabeth Central which reads as follows —
The Administrator says he has not appointed a commission to inquire into such a Black township.
asked the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning:
Whether a Black township in Jamestown has been or is to be registered; if not, why not; if so, when?
B883E
Yes. A development area was designated at Jamestown and defined in Government Notice No. 1846 dated 5 September 1980.
asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
Whether any new principals appointed to schools in the Cape Peninsula since 1 January 1988 have been appointed in a temporary or acting capacity; if so, (a) why, (b) who made these decisions and (c) how many of these new principals were appointed in a (i) permanent and (ii) temporary or acting capacity?
B884E
Yes
- (a) All the posts were advertised but to date only in one case has it been possible to finalize a permanent appointment. In three cases the Department has been forced to appoint persons in an acting capacity.
- (b) The Regional Chief Director.
- (c)
- (i) One. Since 1 May 1989.
- (ii) Three. In an acting capacity.
Business interrupted in accordance with Rule 180C (3) of the Standing Rules of Parliament.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
Whether there has been an investigation into the alleged shooting by the South African Police in Soweto on or about 12 November 1988 of a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply; if not, why not; if so, (a) when, (b) what were the results of this investigation and (c) what is the name of the person concerned?
B888E
Yes
(a) to (c)
A murder case was opened on 12 November 1988 as a result of the death of the person whose name has been furnished by the honourable member. The investigation has been completed and the docket is at present with the Attorney-General for his decision.
The sign * indicates a translation. The sign †, used subsequently in the same interpellation, indicates the original language.
Own Affairs:
asked the Minister of Local Government and Housing:
Whether the Government is taking any steps to implement the decisions of White local authorities on matters affecting the community life of the Whites within the areas of jurisdiction of those local authorities; if so, what steps; if not, why not?
B937E.INT
Mr Speaker, in this reply I shall confine myself to the activities of the Ministers’ Council of the House of Assembly, and in particular to Local Government and Housing.
Naturally the Cabinet and certain general affairs departments are also involved in local authorities and the decisions of local authorities, as well as the maintenance of the own community life of the respective communities in South Africa. The Ministers’ Council derives its task from the 1983 Constitution, especially as set out in Schedule 1 of the Constitution, inter alia with reference to social welfare, education, art, culture, health affairs, community development, which includes housing and the development of the relevant White community, as well as local government in the area declared a local government area for the White population group.
We therefore deal with essential matters that are required in order to conduct a meaningful own community life. With regard to housing the local authorities are assisted in terms of the Development and Housing Act, which was passed by the House of Assembly as own affairs legislation in 1985, in performing their housing duties, also where this takes place in co-operation with community organisations. This includes the making available of housing in various forms, including welfare housing and housing for the aged, loans for the safeguarding of the homes of the elderly who have a limited income, the provision and improvement of the housing in Government villages, the provision of rental accommodation in Schubart Park in Pretoria, for example, as well as in Parow Park.
This Act was amended this year and now grants local authorities powers with reference to the handling of slum conditions in the declared local government areas. In fact, local authorities are being acknowledged and also given the decision-making authority to prevent slum conditions and urban deterioration. Local authorities, under the leadership of the Ministers’ Council of the House of Assembly, also make a contribution to improving and establishing an orderly community life on an acceptable level.
Own local authorities are maintained and developed as institutions of the community by whom they have been elected or established. In fact, new local government institutions are also created. In terms of the Local Councils Act, 1987— also own affairs legislation of the House of Assembly—local councils are established for local areas or for communities which do not have local authorities. Corporate bodies come into being, which can then take decisions on their own affairs and can conclude agreements in order to implement such decisions in such areas.
A local council is a local authority which is recognised as a representative body in a regional services council, and consequently can also negotiate there in the interests of its community. In establishing a local council, one establishes an ordered authoritative institution which can promote and further develop the community life in such an area.
Since 1 April 1989 I have been entrusted with certain local government functions in respect of three provinces, including the decision-making in connection with township establishment—full decision-making functions in the declared areas of the White local authority. There are authorised local authorities who have the right to take essential decisions in connection with township establishment. We acknowledge the decisions of these local authorities and after further consideration, we shall probably grant local authorities additional decision-making powers in due course. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, the hon the Minister went no further today than what we hear from the Government with reasonable regularity, in that he merely sketched the legal framework which they rely on with reference to the community life of Whites.
It involves much more than that, however. The real issue is the implementation of decisions of local authorities that affect the community life of the people in their areas of jurisdiction. [Interjections.] There is no better illustration of the shortcomings of the steps taken by the Government in this connection than in the implementation of decisions on group areas and separate facilities. Only yesterday The Argus contained a front-page report on envisaged legislation by means of which the Government, according to this newspaper, now intends to amend the Reservation of Separate Amenities Act. I quote from the report on the content of the legislation. We do not have the legislation before us yet. Apparently the newspapers are better informed than the Government’s fellow members of Parliament are. I quote:
This means that it will not affect municipal facilities in Nationalist-controlled city councils such as Johannesburg and Pretoria which have not yet been opened to all races. According to senior Government sources the new Bill will be retrospective as it is aimed specifically at CP-controlled town councils in the Transvaal such as Boksburg and Carletonville.
What a disgrace! That is a disgrace.
It was with reference specifically to this kind of conduct that we put our question, because in practice, despite all the assurances the NP has given us, and despite concepts such as devolution of authority and own affairs with which the White voters are humoured, we find that the right of self-determination and the decision-making authority of White local authorities with regard to their community life are not carried into effect.
I want to mention a few examples. My constituency is a very good example. My constituency and the constituencies of Florida, Helderkruin and a large section of Maraisburg, form the urban area of Roodepoort which falls under the jurisdiction of the town council of Roodepoort. Both the former town council, which was overwhelmingly NP-controlled, and the new town council after the 1988 election, decided that they were opposed to granting a residential permit to a mixed couple for residence in the White area of Roodepoort. Despite this recommendation, the NP’s provincial authority granted a residential permit. [Interjections.] That is only one example.
Sedgefield in the constituency of George is another good example. The entire local authority with the exception of one vote decided that group areas permits should not be granted there. [Interjections.] Yet the provincial government granted permits. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, I suspect that this is another attempt by the CP to hit the Government on its Achilles heel and that is its wishy-washy approach to the whole question of apartheid. The hon the Minister succeeded in avoiding that part quite well and obviously he was within his rights in answering the question.
Let me say that the interpellation also reveals quite a lot of convoluted thinking about how a constitution should work, because obviously the hon member for Roodepoort expects the central Government to take the responsibility of carrying out the decisions of local government. Almost equally convoluted was the thinking of central Government when, in the case of Windmill Park, they had to call in the assistance of provincial government to undo the effect of a local government decision in Boksburg applying the law that the central Government had made itself. It is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Let me say that the DP’s position in this instance is absolutely clear. We believe that one should have a Bill of Rights entrenched in the Constitution which makes the enactment of racially discriminatory legislation impossible at whatever level of government. [Interjections.] We equally believe that one should have a properly devolved and decentralised system of government where every level of government makes its decisions and takes responsibility for its decisions, for the carrying out of these decisions and for the consequences of these decisions.
I want to conclude by asking the question: How long must South Africans pay for the indulgence of the Government’s prejudices? [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, I refer to the decision-making authority with regard to township establishment. In my opinion local authorities themselves should decide for example on the subdivision of erven, the zoning of sites and so on, so that we can have shorter lines of decision-making. We shall have to do everything in our power in co-operation with organised local authorities to accelerate the process of township establishment and related matters such as zoning and subdivision, which all form part of community development, to the optimum and to eliminate factors that lead to delays.
Other functions have also been entrusted in this connection, viz the alienation and leasing of immovable property in the possession of local authorities, the expropriation of public places by local authorities, approval for the provision of business accommodation, and the lifting of restrictions that have been laid down in title conditions.
The Ministers’ Council has a fundamental role and an agreement function in respect of the implementation of the Free Settlement Areas Act as far as the White communities and areas are concerned. In dealing with this matter the opinion of the local authority is of great importance, and the view of the relevant local authority will have to be obtained and considered before decisions can be taken. The Ministers’ Council, together with the local authorities, also has an exceptional part to play in this regard with reference to the own community life of the Whites, and the recommendations and decisions of local authorities will be considered carefully.
There is already a close bond of co-operation and consultation between me, the department and organised local government such as the United Municipal Executive and provincial associations, concerning matters of local government, and powers will still be carried out in close consultation with one another.
Consequently the Ministers’ Council and the local authorities are most closely involved in establishing an orderly community life within the local authorities’ areas of jurisdiction. In exercising its powers with regard to local government and community development, we do not act at the expense of other communities and definitely not to their detriment. [Time expired.]
Mr Speaker, to begin with I want to reply to the hon member for Green Point, who indicated that our thoughts under the constitutional set-up are confused if we expect the central Government, which after all is responsible for the legislation that determines the powers of local authorities, to implement their own creation, viz the decisions the local authorities take in terms of that legislation. If that is confused thinking, I really do not know what clear thinking is! The hon member for Green Point should spend some time thinking about the logic of his comment.
The hon the Minister really replied to this question today like someone who has to take medicine. He closed his nose and simply swallowed. [Interjections.] He merely carried on with his prepared speech and did not reply to any of the points I raised. I wonder whether he is going to take the trouble of replying to any of my other questions. [Interjections.]
We want to say that the NP is trying to conceal its true objective, viz a mixed or open community under a Black majority government, from the majority of conservative Whites in South Africa behind concepts such as the devolution of power and own affairs. These concepts are being used to throw dust in the eyes of the White voters of South Africa. The truth is catching up with the NP very rapidly. On the one hand the CP-controlled and other conservative local authorities are frustrating this ultimate objective of the NP in that they are maintaining and establishing separate facilities and are trying to maintain group areas as far as they have the authority to do so. On the other hand the DP and other left-wing local authorities are exposing the untenability and the potential of the Government’s integration legislation on the local level in that they are insisting, inter alia in the case of Cape Town, that the whole of Cape Town be thrown open.
Mr Speaker, in accepting and hoping that the hon the Minister may reply, I am going to put only one question to him. He can win the whole debate with this question. If we can accept, according to the newspaper reports that the Government is going to do what it has said, how can that be reconciled with what the hon the Minister of Constitutional Development and Planning said in July 1988? He said:
The hon the Minister must simply tell us how he reconciles that with what he wants to do, viz with establishing the policy the Government should like to have. He must merely answer that for us, and he will win the debate. [Interjections.]
Mr Speaker, the hon members for Roodepoort and Ermelo would obviously not have been able to make any speech at all if they had not read yesterday’s edition of The Argus. In fact, the Chief Whip of the CP, the hon member for Brakpan, spoke about this matter in The Argus yesterday. This interpellation has been on the Question Paper for longer than yesterday’s edition of The Argus has been for sale, however.
The CP has a fundamental problem. They got a fright when they realised what their policy was leading to in Carletonville and Boksburg. [Interjections.] The point is that instead of community development taking place there, they are impoverishing those communities. There are people who settled there, did business there and are going bankrupt. We have evidence of that. It is on record. [Interjections.] That is the problem. The hon members want to conceal that by attacking us. In the meantime we are candid with regard to the public in South Africa, and we shall be candid during the election too, but the CP is in trouble. [Interjections.]
Order!
The CP’s policy has a destructive effect on the communities. In fact, there are other councils, which the CP thinks they control, who did not go and put those signs back. Unfortunately the hon member for Lichtenburg is not here now, but I want to ask him why there are no such signs in Lichtenburg at the moment, since he was such a great advocate of these signs. He promised the voters that he would do that. Is he going to do what he said, or is he playing the game he accused us of? I think it is time for them to be candid towards the voters and to say how they are going to deal with matters. Are they going to deal with them as they have in Carletonville and Boksburg? [Interjections.]
We do not work at the expense of communities. We build communities. The CP advised the town council of Boksburg this year to cut off the electricity and water supply to those Indian families in Windmill Park. They want to protect the Whites’ community life by destroying other people. That is their approach, and it directly contradicts our approach. That is why we are candid about our cause and why we take care of the establishment and the development of the communities that have been entrusted to our care. [Time expired.]
Debate concluded.
†Indicates translated version.
For oral reply:
Own Affairs:
asked the Minister of Education and Culture:
- (1) Whether his Department or any provincial education department has conducted a survey on parents’ voluntary contributions; if not, why not; if so, (a) when and (b) by whom was the survey conducted;
- (2) whether the results of the survey have been made public; if not, why not; if so, when;
- (3) whether he will make a statement on the matter?
B886E
- (1) No, because in terms of the various education ordinances and regulations the power to control and manage these funds vests in the council of the school concerned,
- (a) and (b) fall away;
- (2) falls away;
- (3) no.
Mr Speaker, arising from the reply of the hon the Minister, can he explain the following? The hon the Minister has indicated that whilst responsibility for the collection of such funds rests with the management council of each particular school, it is within the capability of this department to organise such administrative functions, including publishing of data on the funding of education. It has been pointed out that certain funds are made available by the private sector, that is parents, for the funding of education. How was such an assessment made if a survey of what the parents are paying, has never been undertaken?
Mr Speaker, The hon member must have the question included in the Question Paper so that I can reply to him on that in full.
asked the Minister of Education and Culture:
Whether there are different levels for the payment of subsidies to private schools and private pre-primary schools; if so, (a) what are these levels of subsidy and (b) why do they differ?
B887E
Yes,
- (a) private schools receive a subsidy of 0%, 15% or 45% while the allocation to private pre-primary schools varies from 0% to approximately 85%,
- (b) subsidies to private schools are paid in accordance with the Regulations promulgated in terms of the Private Schools Act (Act 104 of 1986) while subsidies to private pre-primary schools are allocated in accordance with the various provincial education ordinances.
Mr Speaker, arising from the reply of the hon the Minister, is it the hon the Minister’s or the department’s intention to coordinate the two differing methods of subsidy payment into one single payment structure?
Mr Speaker, at the moment there are four different groups in respect of the pre-primary schools, as the hon member knows. It is not necessary to elaborate on that. In this regard, the Department is at present reviewing the various ordinances of the different provinces, because there are different procedures for dealing with the pre-primary schools in the four provinces. The Department intends to unify these matters, as has been done in respect of other specific matters that are contained in the education Affairs Act (House of Assembly), 1988, which was piloted through Parliament last year. We shall use that opportunity to pay attention to private pre-primary schools and private schools. The hon member refers to this in his question. Of course there is a vast difference between the two, because pre-primary education is not compulsory, as the hon member knows, while, conversely, private schools fall under compulsory education.
For written reply:
General Affairs:
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) (a) How many buildings in the city of Pietermaritzburg are currently used by the South African Police to house members of the Police Force involved in unrest-related duties, (b) which buildings are involved and (c) what is the total cost per month of renting such buildings;
- (2) what is the total cost per month of housing and feeding members of the Police Force currently stationed in Pietermaritzburg on a temporary basis;
- (3) in respect of what date is this information furnished?
B358E
(1) and (2)
I do not consider it to be in the interest of the safety of the members of the Force concerned nor in the public interest to furnish this information. However, I am prepared to make available this information to the honourable member on a confidential basis.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) How many vehicles belonging to the South African Police were used in unrest-related incidents in the Greater Pietermaritzburg area in (a) 1987 and (b) 1988;
- (2) (a) how many such vehicles were damaged, and (b) at what total cost, in each of these years?
B359E
(1) and (2)
I do not consider it to be in the public interest nor in the interest of the country to furnish this information. However, I am prepared to make available this information to the honourable member on a confidential basis.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, was employed as a special constable in or around Mamelodi in 1988; if so, (a) what is his name, (b) when was he so employed and (c) what training was he given;
- (2) whether this person has a history of mental instability; if so,
- (3) whether this was known at the time of his employment; if not, why not; if so, why was he (a) employed as a special constable and (b) permitted to carry a firearm;
- (4) whether this person has ever been charged with committing a criminal offence; if so, (a) when and (b) with what offence;
- (5) whether this person is still employed as a special constable; if so, (a) why and (b) where; if not, why not?
B508E
- (1) No, but from 7 May 1987 until 18 November 1987
- (a) to (c) Fall away.
- (2) No.
- (3) (a) and (b) Fall away.
- (4) Yes
- (a) 15 November 1987
- (b) Housebreaking with the intent to steal and theft.
- (5) No, the person was dismissed after he had been charged with housebreaking with the intent to steal and theft.
- (a) and (b) Fall away.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:†
What amount was paid in toll at toll-gates by members of the South African Police Force during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available in the exercise of their powers or the performance of their duties functions?
B519E
Generally, on completion of the prescribed form, vehicles of the South African Police are exempt from toll fees in terms of section 28 of the Police Act, 1958 (Act 7 of 1958).
However, under certain circumstances, especially when it is urgent, it does occur that members of the Force pay the toll fees themselves. In such instances a claim for the expenditure is submitted. During 1988 R340,00 was paid back to members of the Force in this way.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
Whether any persons detained in terms of section 50 of the Internal Security Act, No 74 of 1982, were subsequently detained in terms of section 29(1) of the said Act; if so, (a) how many and (b) in respect of what period is this information furnished?
B589E
No
(a) and (b) Fall away.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
Whether any persons were detained in terms of sections (a) 50 and (b) 50A of the Internal Security Act, No 74 of 1982, in 1988; if so, (i) how many and (ii) for what period was each detained before being released, in each case?
B590E
- (a) and (b) None
- (i) and (ii) Fall away.
asked the Minister of Manpower:
(a) What was the total amount (i) paid into the Unemployment Insurance Fund in 1988 and (ii) paid out in benefits by the Fund in that year and (b) (i) to how many applicants were benefits paid and (ii) what actual or estimated number of such applicants was (aa) White, (bb) Coloured, (cc) Indian and (dd) Black?
B609E
- (a)
- (i) R739 906 984
- (ii) R440 428 042
- (b)
- (i) 406 106
- (ii) The Unemployment Insurance Act, 1966, makes no distinction between the various population groups and consequently separate figures are not readily available.
NOTE: The abovementioned figures are provisional and subject to audit.
asked the Minister of Manpower:
- (1) What was the balance of the Unemployment Insurance Fund at the end of 1988;
- (2) (a) what was the total amount (i) paid into the Fund by State employers and employees and (ii) paid out in benefits in that year and (b) to how many applicants were benefits paid;
- (3) (a) what is the present average rate of interest received by the Fund and (b) what amount was paid from the Fund in 1988 in respect of administration costs;
- (4) (a) what total amount in unclaimed money is held in the Fund and (b) how many persons are involved in this amount;
- (5) how many employers were registered with the Unemployment Insurance Fund as at 31 December 1988?
B610E
- (1) R544 149 105
- (2)
- (a)
- (i) R46 982 375
- (ii) and (b) Separate figures for the amount paid out as well as the number of contributors who applied for benefits in respect of State employees only are not available. A total amount of R440 428 042 was paid out to 406 106 contributors (State employees and employees in the private sector).
- (a)
- (3)
- (a) For moneys invested in 1989: 15-16,2 per cent
- (b) R27 771 571
- (4)
- (a) Particulars are not available.
- (b) Figures are not available.
- (5) 150 622
NOTE: All of the abovementioned figures are provisional and subject to audit.
asked the Minister of Manpower:
How many Whites, Coloureds and Indians, respectively, were registered as unemployed in each inspectorate area as at 31 December 1988?
B662E
Whites |
Coloureds |
Indians |
|
Bloemfontein |
1 588 |
572 |
— |
Cape Town |
5 022 |
5 525 |
27 |
Durban |
4 333 |
2 714 |
9 193 |
East-London |
207 |
83 |
1 |
George |
412 |
1 517 |
— |
Johannesburg |
9 112 |
2 909 |
668 |
Kimberley |
254 |
1 061 |
5 |
Port |
|||
Elizabeth |
779 |
600 |
7 |
Pretoria |
1 916 |
158 |
36 |
Total |
23 623 |
15 139 |
9 937 |
asked the Minister of Manpower:
How many Black males and females, respectively, were registered as work-seekers in the White areas of the Republic in each month of 1988?
B664E
Month |
Male |
Female |
January |
40 678 |
15 225 |
February |
59 547 |
24 177 |
March |
51 731 |
18 951 |
April |
45 721 |
15 696 |
May |
45 420 |
16 173 |
June |
48 421 |
16 479 |
July |
52 049 |
16 047 |
August |
54 882 |
18 451 |
September |
58 109 |
19 224 |
October |
55 819 |
16 806 |
November |
54 404 |
15 879 |
December |
43 235 |
11 139 |
Total |
610 016 |
204 247 |
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
Whether a certain person, whose name has been furnished to the South African Police for the purpose of the Minister’s reply, was under arrest at any time; if so, (a) for what specified period, (b) under what circumstances, (c) on what basis was his release granted and (d) what is the name of the person concerned?
B715E
Yes
- (a) approximately 2 hours
- (b) he was detained in the charge office while his legal representative made an urgent application to a magistrate for bail
- (c) bail of R10 000 was granted.
- (d) The name furnished by the honourable member.
asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
What was the size in hectares of each of the self-governing territories as at 31 December 1988?
B780E
KwaNdebele: |
224 632 ha |
Gazankulu: |
774 793 ha |
QwaQwa: |
115 823 ha |
KaNgwane: |
438 221 ha |
Lebowa: |
2 223 983 ha |
KwaZulu: |
3 243 703 ha |
asked the Minister of Education and Development Aid:
- (1) (a) How many officials in the Public Service had been seconded to each self-governing territory, (b) what post was held by each such official, and (c) what was the cost of the secondment of such officials, as at 31 December 1988;
- (2) whether all posts in the self-governing territories in respect of which secondment is required were filled as at 31 December 1988; if not, how many remained vacant as at that date;
- (3) whether any further secondments are envisaged; if so, how many?
B781E
- (1)
- (a) and (b) The information as requested is contained in the attached schedule.
- (c) The cost of the secondment of the officials amounted to R83 081 000 for the period 1 April 1988 to 31 December 1988.
- (2) No, a recent survey indicated that 1 314 of the posts concerned were vacant on 31 December 1988.
- (3) Yes, should the need arise and the Department of Development Aid be requested accordingly, more officials will be seconded within the limitations of funds available.
Posts identified for occupation by seconded staff: 31 December 1988 |
|||||||||||||||
KwaZulu |
Lebowa |
GaZankulu |
QwaQwa |
KwaNdebele |
KaNgwane |
Total |
|||||||||
Occupational Class |
I |
F |
I |
F |
I |
F |
I |
F |
I |
F |
I |
F |
I |
F |
V |
Prosecutor |
0 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
Administration Officer |
83 |
59 |
5 |
3 |
2 |
2 |
4 |
2 |
36 |
27 |
30 |
18 |
160 |
111 |
49 |
Administration Clerk |
20 |
16 |
9 |
6 |
5 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
25 |
21 |
11 |
9 |
72 |
58 |
14 |
Artisan Staff |
163 |
124 |
141 |
113 |
24 |
18 |
26 |
16 |
49 |
40 |
51 |
30 |
454 |
341 |
113 |
Pharmacist |
49 |
35 |
1 |
1 |
8 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
3 |
1 |
64 |
42 |
22 |
Occupational Thera pist |
6 |
3 |
1 |
1 |
6 |
5 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
19 |
10 |
9 |
Architect |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
Business Economist |
3 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
2 |
0 |
10 |
1 |
9 |
Taxation Officer |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Drilling Inspector |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Forester |
5 |
5 |
9 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
2 |
17 |
13 |
4 |
Forestry Foreman |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
Forestry Scientist |
2 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
6 |
5 |
1 |
Quantity Surveyor |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
2 |
Fireman |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
Departmental Inspector |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Dietician |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Director : Health Services |
1 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
1 |
3 |
Efficiency Officer |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
2 |
Economist (Agriculture) |
3 |
1 |
4 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
3 |
11 |
6 |
5 |
Ethnologist |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
Physiotherapist |
27 |
6 |
2 |
2 |
8 |
5 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
0 |
42 |
13 |
29 |
Community Development Officer |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Medical Technologist |
19 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
1 |
26 |
8 |
18 |
Health Inspector |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Housemother/father |
2 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
0 |
Engineer |
24 |
18 |
9 |
7 |
4 |
3 |
2 |
2 |
3 |
1 |
6 |
4 |
48 |
35 |
13 |
Inspector: Apprentices |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Clinical Psychologist |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
1 |
2 |
Agricultural Adviser |
21 |
16 |
23 |
14 |
5 |
4 |
1 |
0 |
4 |
4 |
7 |
4 |
61 |
42 |
19 |
Agricultural Officer |
12 |
6 |
41 |
19 |
9 |
6 |
5 |
2 |
21 |
6 |
1 |
1 |
89 |
40 |
49 |
Magistrate |
31 |
30 |
7 |
6 |
4 |
2 |
5 |
5 |
9 |
5 |
4 |
3 |
60 |
51 |
9 |
Land Surveyor |
10 |
7 |
3 |
3 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
16 |
11 |
5 |
Mortuary Assistant |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Social Worker |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
0 |
3 |
2 |
1 |
Medical Officer |
484 |
236 |
43 |
34 |
55 |
43 |
12 |
8 |
21 |
5 |
47 |
30 |
662 |
356 |
306 |
Medical Superintendent |
33 |
26 |
12 |
6 |
17 |
8 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
4 |
2 |
69 |
44 |
25 |
Oral Hygienist |
3 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
0 |
3 |
Nature Conservator |
5 |
4 |
10 |
10 |
6 |
5 |
1 |
1 |
5 |
4 |
6 |
5 |
33 |
29 |
4 |
Nature Conservation Scientist |
14 |
10 |
2 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
18 |
13 |
5 |
Industrial Technician |
53 |
20 |
23 |
16 |
1 |
0 |
10 |
6 |
13 |
5 |
18 |
5 |
118 |
52 |
66 |
Training Officer |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Survey Statistician |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
Personnel Officer |
1 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
6 |
3 |
3 |
Personal Secretary |
3 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
8 |
7 |
5 |
5 |
18 |
15 |
3 |
Police: Functional Staff |
25 |
19 |
19 |
15 |
6 |
5 |
8 |
5 |
66 |
46 |
17 |
9 |
141 |
99 |
42 |
Programmer |
7 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
12 |
7 |
5 |
Project Superintendent |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
4 |
3 |
1 |
Radiographer |
16 |
10 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
6 |
1 |
26 |
13 |
13 |
Computer Operator |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Accountant |
22 |
12 |
4 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
4 |
16 |
10 |
6 |
4 |
53 |
33 |
20 |
Legal Adviser |
2 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
7 |
3 |
4 |
Legal Officer |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
6 |
2 |
4 |
Secretary (Head of Department) |
9 |
9 |
7 |
6 |
7 |
7 |
6 |
5 |
9 |
7 |
9 |
8 |
47 |
42 |
5 |
Security Officer |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Liaison Officer (and Media Officer) |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
Specialist |
139 |
88 |
7 |
2 |
15 |
12 |
2 |
2 |
3 |
0 |
8 |
0 |
174 |
104 |
70 |
Sport Promotion Officer |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Speech Therapist |
9 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
10 |
0 |
10 |
Town and Regional Planner |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
2 |
0 |
2 |
Regional Magistrate |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Dentist |
21 |
20 |
7 |
5 |
5 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
4 |
2 |
40 |
34 |
6 |
Dental Technician |
2 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
Dental Therapist |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
Technical Assistant |
5 |
3 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
3 |
2 |
Typist/Data Typist |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
4 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
6 |
6 |
0 |
Horticulturist |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Veterinarian |
7 |
2 |
5 |
5 |
5 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
20 |
10 |
10 |
Animal Health Officer |
7 |
3 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
14 |
8 |
6 |
Traffic Inspector |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
7 |
6 |
1 |
Nursing Staff |
14 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
2 |
12 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
6 |
3 |
36 |
12 |
24 |
Foos Service Supervisor |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
Foreman: General |
13 |
4 |
24 |
19 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
37 |
23 |
14 |
Laundry Supervisor |
2 |
2 |
1 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
3 |
0 |
Water Care Plant Superintendent |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
Works Inspector |
0 |
0 |
9 |
8 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
3 |
4 |
4 |
13 |
7 |
31 |
22 |
9 |
Total |
1 390 |
824 |
444 |
323 |
207 |
149 |
132 |
79 |
335 |
212 |
311 |
173 |
2819 |
1 760 |
1 059 |
CS Educators |
353 |
284 |
218 |
188 |
228 |
173 |
161 |
126 |
166 |
144 |
173 |
129 |
1 299 |
1044 |
255 |
asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:
- (1) Whether (a) pipeline and (b) transport costs are collected in respect of fuel manufactured by Sasol; if so, why; if not,
- (2) whether the fuel price for motorists includes levies in respect of these costs; if so, (a) who receives the benefit of these levies and (b) why?
B704E
- (1) Yes
- (a) and (b)
Petroleum products are transported by pipeline, rail and road and a transport differential is calculated from the coast to areas in the interior. These areas are based on magisterial districts and magisterial districts with the same transport differential are grouped in a prize zone. There are, for example, 23 main price zones and a number of other price zones which cover the total RSA and ECOSA-countries.
The Secunda installations are situated in the interior and fuel from coal is distributed in the interior and sold at the ruling price in the area concerned. The supply area is not static because consumption increases or decreases. Fuel is also supplied to the area from the coast and from Natref. Sasol pays the real transport cost to the point of resale and would, in certain instances therefore, pay less transport cost than what is actually collected in the price. This is a location benefit. The benefit which Sasol may derive is taken into consideration of the level of protection in respect of fuel production from coal and is reflected in the protection level at present.
(2) Falls away.
asked the Minister of Economic Affairs and Technology:
- (1) Whether the Department of Mineral and Energy Affairs made any payments to Sasol over the past six months; if so, (a) what amounts and (b) (i) when and (ii) why in each case;
- (2) whether Sasol is permitted to price its petrol as though it were an imported product; if so, why?
B705E
- (1)
- (a) No.
- (b) (i) and (ii) fall away.
- (2) Yes. Fuel prices are determined according to a formula in terms of which the landed cost of imported final products forms the basis. The South African oil companies must, therefore, compete price-wise with big international refineries which have export capacity. In turn, Sasol must again compete with the South African oil companies and the base price is therefore the same although cost structures differ substantially and a synthetic installation requires much more capital than a crude oil refinery.
In order to prevent massive duplication of marketing channels, Sasol also sells its fuel to the oil companies at the ruling international price which the oil companies also get for their own production.
†Indicates translated version.
For oral reply:
Own Affairs:
asked the Minister of Education and Culture:
- (1) How many (a) schools falling under his Department were offering, and (b) pupils were taking, an African language as a subject as at the latest specified date for which information is available;
- (2) wheather he will make a statement on the matter?
C86E
- (1)
- (a) 4 (1988)
- (b) 608(1988)
- (2) No.
Mr Chairman, I would like to add that the question should have been framed differently in the sense that we are talking about the vernacular and not African languages, because the term African languages imply languages spoken throughout Africa.
However, for the hon member’s edification I would like to state that it was decided by the LP in 1975 during my terms as office as the member in charge of education in the CRC that all such languages in the vernacular be introduced but that the decision to introduce them rests with the staff, the school and the school committee.
— Education and Culture.
Mr Chairman, I request that this question stand over. Arrangements have already been made for it to be transferred to the department of the hon the Minister of Local Government and Housing who deals with this specific issue.
†Indicates translated version.
For written reply:
General Affairs:
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
(a) How many thefts from cars were reported during the period 1 January to 31 December 1988 in (i) Actonville, (ii) Daveyton and (iii) Benoni and (b) how many of these cases remained unsolved as at the latest specified date for which information is available?
D64E
- (a)
- (i) 335 cases
- (ii) 226 cases
- (iii) 1 524 cases
- (b) (i) to (iii) It is not possible to ascertain on a given date how many cases have not been solved. It often happens that accused in cases have already been charged and appeared in court. However, these cases are indicated as outstanding until the trials have been concluded and are often carried forward to a following statistical year. On the other hand, cases which were reported in previous statistical periods, and which were closed as undetected, are often re-opened when accused are traced. Such cases are then also shown in the statistical year concerned as outstanding, until the trial has been concluded.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
- (1) (a) How many drug-related arrests were made in (i) Actonville, (ii) Daveyton and (iii) Benoni in 1988 and (b) what types of drugs were involved;
- (2) whether any of these drugs were confiscated; if so, what quantity of each type?
D65E
- (1)
- (a)
- (i) 33
- (ii) 27
- (iii) 36
- (b) Dagga, LSD, cocaine and Mandrax
- (a)
- (2) Yes
349 514 kg dagga
2 231 Mandrax tablets
82 units LSD
200 grams cocaine
139 dagga plants
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
(a) How many cases of housebreaking were reported during the period 1 January to 31 December 1988 in (i) Actonville, (ii) Daveyton and (iii) Benoni and (b) how many of these cases remained unsolved as at the latest specified date for which information is available?
D66E
- (a)
- (i) 157
- (ii) 390
- (iii) 1 778
- (b) (i) to (iii) I refer the honourable member to paragraph (b) of my reply to written question 9.
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
How many cases of (a) murder, (b) culpable homicide, (c) assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm, (d) common assault, (e) rape, (f) burglary and housebreaking, (g) robbery, (h) theft of vehicles, (i) damage to property and (j) possession of drugs were reported and investigated at each specified police station serving the Indian area of Phoenix during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available?
D70E
(a) |
(b) |
(c) |
(d) |
(e) |
(f) |
(g) |
(h) |
(i) |
(j) |
|
Phoenix |
33 |
41 |
327 |
1 260 |
57 |
533 |
340 |
344 |
988 |
2 |
asked the Minister of Law and Order:
How many cases of (a) murder, (b) culpable homicide, (c) assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm, (d) common assault, (e) rape, (f) burglary and housebreaking, (g) robbery, (h) theft of vehicles, (i) damage to property and (j) possession of drugs were reported and investigated at each specified police station serving the Indian area of Chatsworth during the latest specified period of 12 months for which figures are available?
D71E
(a) |
(b) |
(c) |
(d) |
(e) |
(f) |
(g) |
(h) |
(i) |
(j) |
|
Isipingo |
77 |
19 |
226 |
243 |
37 |
302 |
168 |
195 |
145 |
— |
Chatsworth |
26 |
33 |
289 |
528 |
27 |
534 |
125 |
314 |
— |
32 |
Cato Manor |
12 |
8 |
17 |
107 |
23 |
35 |
41 |
10 |
83 |
— |
Sydenham |
33 |
25 |
143 |
298 |
30 |
416 |
80 |
135 |
178 |
9 |