(for the Minister of Law and Order):

1. (a) (i) and (ii) 22h30 until 22h45.
2. (b) It was a planned action to combat crime.
3. (c) (i) and (ii) Sufficient police officials and vehicles to complete the action as swiftly and efficiently as possible.

(for the Minister of Law and Order):

1. (1) Yes.
2. (2) No, they were only detained for questioning and were released again shortly after their detention.
3. (3) Yes.
   1. (a) and (b) The officer in charge of the group of police officials used a teargas aerosol can to disperse a group of persons who wanted to prevent their withdrawal from the squatter camp.
4. (4) No.

(for the Minister of Law and Order):

Yes. All possible endeavours are being made to trace and re-arrest this person.

Yes.

1. (a) 1 January 1988.
2. (b) To promote a greater understanding and a more balanced perspective of South Africa in the field of church affairs in the USA in the capacity of liaison specialist on church and religious matters.
3. (c) Dr Abraham Lückhoff.
4. (d) BA (Hons): University of Stellenbosch, 1961.
   B Th: University of Stellenbosch, 1964. PhD: University of the Witwatersrand, 1976.
   Minister of the Dutch Reformed Church: May 1966 — August 1969 and
   February 1973 — March 1982.
   Minister of the Presbyterian Church (USA):
   September 1969 — August 1972 and August 1986 — October 1987.
   Religious editor of Rapport: April 1982 — September 1985.
   Professor of theology at Whitworth University (USA):
   September 1985 — July 1986.

No. (a), (b) and (c) Fall away.

For the hon member’s information it is pointed out that the tunnel is equipped with a most modern ventilation system. Carbonmonoxide and visibility levels in the tunnel are measured evern 15 seconds and through a computerised system, the ventilation system ensures that predetermined levels are not exceeded.

The ventilation system consumes a lot of energy and over-ventilation will be very costly in the long run. It is therefore not feasible to utilise ventilation to such an extent that no smells at all are noticeable.

Yes. Two consortiums, namely Toll Highway Development Company (Pty) Ltd (Tollway) and Toll Road Concessionaires (Pty) Ltd (Tolcon).

1. (a) As per agreement between the State and the consortiums, Tolcon is currently remunerated with an amount equivalent to the gross proceeds of tolls collected.
2. (b) 1987: None.
   1988: R7 359 933,53 to Tolcon made up as follows —

Tollway is currently operating no toll plasas and is therefore not receiving any remuneration.

Mr Speaker, as I have replied, the gross profit is paid over in terms of the Act.

This matter vests in the Administrator of Transvaal and he has furnished the following information:

1. (1) No.
2. (2) (a) and (b) Fall away.
3. (3) Falls away.
4. (4) Yes, objection was received on a possible application. It is not policy to reveal particulars of this nature.

1. (1) No.
2. (2) Falls away.
3. (3) The Department of Manpower is not responsible for the application of this Act.

This matter vests in the Administrator of Transvaal and he has furnished the following information:

1. (a) and (b)

It is not policy to reveal what bodies or persons.

1. (a) recommended and
2. (b) opposed the granting of a permit in terms of the Group Areas Act, 1966.

Mr Speaker, it has been said here quite clearly — I think the hon member knows it — that this power has been transferred to the Administrator concerned.

Mr Speaker, I have already said that the power for the completion and carrying out of functions has been transferred to the Administrator concerned. If the hon member wishes to make representations, he is very welcome to make them directly to the Administrator. He is free to do so. [Interjections.]

No.

(a) and (b) Fall away.

(Reply laid upon the Table with leave of House):

1. (1) and (2) The Honourable Member is referred to the reply which I provided to:
   1. (a) his question no 28 of 4 March 1983.
   2. (b) his question (interpellation) no 1 of 28 February 1989.

From this it is clear that the Government of Venda has for six years sought the establishment of a Consulate in Pietersburg. Transkei has Consulates in Bloemfontein, Durban, Johannesburg, Cape Town, East London and Port Elizabeth. Bophuthatswana has Consulates in Johannesburg, Bloemfontein, Kimberley, Potchefstroom, Vryburg and Welkom. Ciskei has Consulates in Bloemfontein, Durban, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Newcastle and Port Elizabeth. Venda has only two Consulates: Johannesburg and Pietersburg. These are the two urban areas where the greatest need for Consular services exists for Venda.

I remind the Honourable Member again of Dr D F Malan’s words in the House of Assembly on 21 June 1951 when he piloted the Diplomatic Privileges Act through the Assembly:

“Further there is also a provision here to grant exemption to diplomatic representatives in respect of their places of residence. If, for instance, representatives of a racial group were to come here, that is, representatives of a country represented by a particular racial group here, like, for instance the Indians in this country, then such a diplomatic representative would not be obliged to live in the area of that particular racial group but he would be at liberty to reside where he pleases, anywhere in this country. He is exempted from that restriction placed on that particular race.” (Hansard col 10253, 21 June 1951 Part 76).

Prime Minister B J Vorster, said the following at a public occasion on 9 September 1969:

“There is no such thing as a first-class and second class diplomat. There is just one kind of diplomat. There is no such code, no such thing as a code for white diplomats and a code for non-White diplomats. I shall mislead you if I say anything else.”

The Diplomatic Privileges Act does not require that the approval of a local authority or any specific government body be obtained for acquiring accommodation for diplomatic or consular representatives. In spite of this the Department for reasons of courtesy approached the local magistrate and the police in 1983 for comments. The Honourable Member was also approached for comments in 1983. This token of courtesy was answered by the Honourable Member in a tone which has nowhere yet been experienced in the Republic of South Africa.

From my side I requested our previous Ambassador in Venda personally to endeavour to handle the question of the establishment of a Consulate in Pietersburg in such a way that the matter would not offend the Government of Venda. It would amount to the grossest infringement of international rules and custom to refuse accommodation for its Consular officers to a Government which has diplomatic relations with South Africa — especially for the reasons which the Honourable Member has in mind.

I must also mention that the Venda Government discussed the question of accommodation for officials of the Consulate with the Municipality of Pietersburg several months ago without obtaining an acceptable solution. Meanwhile the personnel had to be accommodated in a hotel which cost the Venda Government thousands of Rand. The Chief of Protocol of the Department travelled to Pietersburg personally on 17 November 1988 to discuss the matter around a table with the representatives of the Venda Government, the Town Clerk of Pietersburg and the Chairman of the Management Committee. The Department therefore from its side, without having a legal obligation, did everything in its power to have the matter handled in such a way that unpleasant reactions could be avoided.

I regard it as my duty by a way of an appeal to the Honourable Member, to repeat what I told him in 1983:

“South Africa is engaged in an ever-intensifying struggle against enemies throughout the entire world who seek her isolation and destruction. It is simply beyond comprehension that people are found in South Africa who play into the hands of our enemies to such a degree that they do not even want to allow friendly relations with anti-communist countries, because logically speaking one cannot say you want to have diplomatic relations with a country and then refuse to accept that country’s representatives on account of the colour of their skin. Such a refusal not only amounts to a slap in the face of that country but is indeed contrary to the spirit of the Diplomatic Privileges Act of 1951.

But there is a further element of the Honourable member’s question which needs to be addressed and which relates to the interests of the region. Pietersburg together with other towns in the region has been identified as important industrial development points in the new co-ordinated regional development plan for Southern Africa which together with Venda and parts of Lebowa and Gazankulu forms an important region where incentives are provided for the establishment of new industries. This region certainly has promising development possibilities and it is of great important that responsible authorities in this region bear in mind what the reaction of prospective investors and industrialists will be if the impression is created that certain quarters care nothing for good neighbourliness and good relations amongst the peoples.

Consular and other representatives of states which became independent from within our midst are today stationed in several of our towns and cities across the whole country and in all four provinces where they not only take care of the interests of their citizens but co-operate constructively with the local authorities of the RSA. It does happen at times that awkward situations occur but so far we have succeeded with the necessary circumspection and mutual respect to deal with such situations to the satisfaction of our own people and the governments of the other countries. The governments of these countries display an understanding for the sensitivity of questions such as housing and schooling and would like to avoid harmful reactions but then it is expected of us not to behave in an offensive manner towards them. I appeal to honourable members of this House not to try and make political gain out of situations which, if handled with circumspection, need not present any real problems.”

No. Some vehicles are exempted from paying toll whilst others unlawfully failed to pay toll.

1. (a)
   1. (i) The number of vehicles who unlawfully failed to pay toll was 115; and
   2. (ii) The number of vehicles who were exempted from paying toll was 1 434.
2. (b) In respect of (a)(i) the estimated loss in toll fees amounts to approximately R920,00 and in respect of (a)(ii) the estimated loss in toll fees amounts to approximately R12 474,00.
3. (c) 7 December 1988 to 16 February 1989 and 7 December 1988 to 2 March 1989 in respect of (a)(i) and (a)(ii) respectively.

Mr Speaker, it is the policy to take action against motorists in this regard as far as the state toll roads are concerned, and I believe that the companies will follow the same policy.

No, in terms of the provisions of the National Roads Act, 1971 (Act 54 of 1971).

For the hon member’s information it is pointed out that the upgrading of the alternative route was at that stage substantially completed. It is common practice to repair and upgrade roads under conditions of traffic.

(for the Minister of Law and Order):

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) 23 persons.
   2. (b) The detainees were discharged on the recommendation of the doctors who treated them, after they had started eating.
2. (2) No, they were discharged on the recommendation of the doctors who treated them, after they had started eating.

(a), (b) and (c) No.

Mr Speaker, the reply to that question is that the Chief of the SADF did say that when the situation arises, we will again look at the manpower situation and in that light we will reevaluate the manpower situation.

The hon member asked me this question in view of what is happening in the peace negotiations and initiatives in South West Africa and Angola. This is a process that is going on at the moment and once that process is over and done with, then, definitely yes, we will look again at the manpower situation and then we can reply more clearly to the hon member’s question.

No.

1. (a) Falls away.
2. (b) Falls away.
3. (c) Falls away.

1. (1) Yes;
   1. (a) Layout, preparation and editing and printing of regional newspapers (including the supply of photos) as well as the providing of educational brochures and posters.
   2. (b) the particulars of this question fall under the mandate of the Commission of Inquiry that was appointed on 17 June 1988 by the State President. In terms of Regulation 14 of Proclamation R106, 1988 I deem it not to be in the interest of the inquiry to reply to the question in detail at this stage.
2. (2) Yes;
   1. (a) Specific contracts were entered into, are still running and have to be honoured.
   2. (b) One contract for each regional area for the preparation, editing and printing of a glossy brochure and regional newspapers.
   3. (c) R186 165,00 for the 1988/89 financial year.

Mr Speaker, I referred to that in my reply to paragraph 2(a), viz: “It is our contention that specific contracts were entered into, are still running and have to be honoured.”

DEPARTMENT: DEVELOPMENT AID:

In regard to the Department of Development Aid, nine officers have been suspended without pay.

1. (a) Falls away.
2. (b) Each case is considered on merit according to the nature of the alleged contravention.
3. (c)
   1. (i) The Minister or his assignee up to the level of Deputy-director: Personnel Management, provided that he will be one rank higher than the person in respect of whom the decision is made. Such suspensions are, however, cleared with the head of the Department beforehand.
   2. (ii) According to existing directives all suspensions from duty are affected without pay. Any suspension from duty with full or partial pay must be approved by the Minister.

DEPARTMENT: EDUCATION AND TRAINING:

In regard to the Department of Education and Training one officer has been suspended with pay.

1. (a) The suspension originated from evidence which the officer himself gave before a Judicial Commission of Inquiry regarding his own actions. In view thereof it was considered that the suspension should be with the retention of payments. As the Commission is still engaged in its inquiry, it would be inappropriate at this stage to furnish further particulars as to the considerations for the decision.
2. (b) Each case of suspension is handled on merit depending on all the circumstances.
3. (c)
   1. (i) The Minister or his assignee.
   2. (ii) The Minister.

Mr Speaker, I have made it very clear that the decision rests with the hon the Minister. May I just say the following to the hon Member — he will remember it well — that in the case of Mr Mvunge it was decided later to cede his salary to him. However, I wish to make it very clear that it falls within the discretion of the Minister to decide thereon.

Mr Speaker, I have made it very clear that we are dealing with two different departments that have their own rules and regulations.

1. (1) Yes,
2. (2) yes,
   1. (a) and (b) fall away.

Only question number 8 of 16 June 1987 was initially directed to me. At that stage I was not informed and it was also not necessary.

1. (a) I was informed towards about the end of June 1988.
2. (b) The matter was already sub judice during my reply to question number 19 of 30 August 1988.

The Office of the Minister of Law and Order and the Deputy Minister of Defence were, however, informed of the SA Defence Force’s involvement after it was brought to my attention.

Mr Speaker, when the hon the Minister became aware of it, he informed the hon the Minister of Law and Order and me of it.

Mr Speaker, the reply given by the hon the Minister of Defence was in the first instance that it was not and is still not a Defence Force helicopter which was being used. Later on, the hon the Minister had to make a statement in regard to the ECC interdict in Cape Supreme Court and then he was informed of the full particulars.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) Representations were made by the South African Ambassador in Bisho to the Ciskei Minister of Justice, Police and Prisons to ensure that harsh treatment is not meted out to South African citizens in the area.
   2. (b) The response of the Minister was that the Ciskei Government would give the necessary attention to the request and would ensure that law and order is properly maintained in the area.
2. (2) Should the need arise, further representations will be made.

Mr Speaker, I am not aware of that at all but what I am very well aware of is that our ambassador went out of his way to facilitate provision of the necessary protection at all times. He involved himself personally and he visited President Sebe on this matter personally. I can given the hon member the assurance that that was the attitude of our ambassador throughout this situation.

(Reply laid upon the Table with leave of House):

(a) and (b): In the case of the Department of Trade and Industry it is considered to abolish the Travel Agents Board and to repeal the Travel Agents and Travel Agencies Act, 1983 (Act 58 of 1983). This matter is now being considered by the board and their proposals will be submitted to me at the end of May 1989.

No other statutory bodies which are linked to the Departments of Trade and Industry and of Mineral and Energy Affairs are ear-marked for abolishment or lend themselves thereto. However, investigations are continuously being conducted, where necessary in close consultation with the Ministry for Administration and Privatisation, to establish whether, in the spirit of privatisation and deregulation, specific activities could possibly be transferred to the private sector with advantage. A number of activities which have been identified are on their way to privatisation or have been privatised already, as follows:

(i) The Industrial Development Corporation of SA Ltd (IDC)

There is no intention to privatise the IDC as such, because the Corporation has to assist in implementing the Government’s policy in respect of industrial development, import replacement, export promotion and small business undertakings. However, the privatisation of the following industries which are controlled by the IDC for its own account on behalf of the State is receiving attention:

— Foskor: The privatisation of Foskor in its entirety is being withheld until the company’s results and market conditions make it possible.

— Alusaf: The transfer of and control over Alusaf to and by private sector interests and the quotation of the company will take place as soon as circumstances are favourable.

— Sorghum beer industry: Good progress has been made in preparing the extensive sorghum beer industry for merging into a unit which can be privatised. The follow-up actions are aimed at arousing the interest of the private sector, in which the consumer will hopefully also be represented.

(ii) The Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR)

The CSIR itself is not ear-marked for privatisation. However, certain functions of the CSIR have been privatised already or are in the process of being privatised, namely:

— The South African Inventions Development Corporation (Saidcor) will ultimately be replaced by a private company in terms of legislation now before Parliament.

— The motor vehicle fleet of the CSIR has been sold and is now operated by a private leasing company.

— The design office of the CSIR had been underutilised and has been taken over by the office personnel. By also undertaking private work, besides the work which is now being done for the CSIR, the work can be done on a more cost-effective basis. In this way the cost to the CSIR has been reduced appreciably.

— The training function at the CSIR is now also being undertaken by a private company which, too, is contracting for work from outside. Accordingly, the training aspect of the CSIR is done on a more cost-effective basis.

(iii) The Atomic Energy Corporation of SA Ltd

The high precision mass production facility of the AEC is now on the road to privatisation.

No, this is a service condition for Permanent Force members. Sufficient provisioning is normally made for the majority of families of National Servicemen by their own medical schemes in the private and public sectors. In addition, there are not enough personnel and facilities in the SA Defence Force available to cope with the extra load and it will also place an additional burden on the SA Defence Force budget.

Mr Speaker, I can reply to that. We do not see that as discrimination. As I have already pointed out national servicemen can make use of their own medical schemes. Further to that question I must point out to the hon member that in cases where certain circumstances arise Treasury approval may be granted for those cases to be handled by the South African Medical Services.

Mr Speaker, yes, provision is made for those specific cases.

No.

Last year the hon member for Sandton also asked me about the possible abolition of Latin as a prerequisite for persons wishing to practise as advocates and attorneys. On 8 March 1988 I pointed out in this House that before I exercise my power in terms of section 1 of the Admission of Advocates Amendment Act, 1987 (Act 17 of 1987), to determine a date on which the concession granted in terms of that Act is to cease to apply, I require the viewpoint of the advocature. According to a majority resolution of the General Council of the Bar of South Africa it is proposed that Latin be abolished as a requirement. The various Bars were, however, not unanimous in this regard, and several representations on behalf of individual Bar Councils were once again received advocating the retention of Latin as a requirement for admission as an advocate.

I have, in the meanwhile, had the benefit of a wide range of views, in the course of which the following factors have emerged as most relevant —

1. (a) certain provincial division of the Supreme Court of South Africa have held that a special university course in Latin is sufficient to satisfy the requisites prescribed by law for admission as an advocate;
2. (b) as a result of the said decisions several large universities have successfully adapted their syllabuses to meet the needs of the legal profession;
3. (c) a large number of students have planned their curricula accordingly; and
4. (d) it is undesirable to make Latin I, which for the past 7 years has not been required by some universities and provincial divisions, a requirement once again.

A certain standard of Latin is, however, indicated as a requirement for the study of law for the following reasons —

1. (a) many of our legal rules are expressed as Latin maxims;
2. (b) certain standard ideas are succinctly expressed in Latin; and
3. (c) Latin expressions are part of every-day court language.

It has been suggested to me authoritatively that either of the following options, or a combination thereof, is viable —

1. (a) Latin at matriculation level as prescribed by the Joint Matriculation Board; or
2. (b) a special university course in Latin which will entitle a student to proceed to Latin I; or
3. (c) a special university course in Latin comprising general principles of grammar, legal phrases and expressions, and a Roman legal and cultural overview.

The implication is that I am contemplating a recommendation to the Government that Latin I as a compulsory course for admission as an advocate ought not to be re-instated, subject to what I have said above.

I am therefore considering introducing legislation this year, with the above guidelines in mind, if time so permits. Naturally this will be done after interested parties have had the opportunity to study my proposal.

1. (1) No. However, the Department of National Education is negotiating with the Committee of University Principals on measures to ensure that in general, students of better quality will be admitted to universities.
2. (2) No.

1. (1) Yes;
   1. (a) on 1 February 1989;
   2. (b) to announce that, where necessary, the ban on the use of certain hormonal herbicides will be extended to other production areas in the Republic where crops sensitive to the use of these remedies are produced;
2. (2) no, for the reasons set out in the media release, it is at this stage not deemed necessary to extend the prohibition currently in force in the Tala Valley and surrounding area and on aerial application in Natal, to the whole of the Republic;
3. (3) no, since the matter was dealt with in full in the said media release.

1. (1) A function was held for the accredited foreign correspondents in South Africa. It should be noted that, contrary to what was implied by the question, the Foreign Correspondents’ Association is independent from the Bureau for Information and is not under the control of or run by the Minister of Information, Broadcasting Services and the Film Industry;
   1. (a) An informal function in the form of a snoekbraai.
   2. (b) R4 542,26.
2. (2) Yes;
   (a) and (b) The guest list included Members of Parliament as well as non-Members of Parliament. In view of the fact that the composition of such a guest list is completely within the discretion of the host, I do not feel under obligation to divulge further details in that regard.

Mr Speaker, the answer is no.

Order! The time for questions on general affairs has expired and unfortunately I cannot call upon the hon member to speak.

1. (a) Yes.
2. (b) Yes.
   1. (i) The relevant nature conservation ordinances of the four Provincial governments.
   2. (ii) The Nature Conservation Authorities of the four Provincial governments.

1. (1)
   1. (a) Valuations of both the SA Defence Force terrain and the offered City Council terrain were done and handed to the City Council of Port Elizabeth who must now indicate whether they want to proceed with the negotiations.
   2. (b) As soon as the City Council has accepted the valuations and financial implications thereof and has complied with the already accepted conditions of negotiation.
2. (2) No.

Yes, utilized as hostels by the Pretoria College of Education, the Pro Arte High School, the Transvaal Education Department School Journey Services and as offices by the Transvaal Education Department Academic Ancillary Services; a number of hostels are let to the SA Police and the SA Defence Force for staff accommodation.

The SA Defence Force is presently negotiating the purchase of the remaining apartment buildings which were utilized as hostels.

Cape Education Department

1. (1) Yes,
   1. (a)
      1. (i) —
      2. (ii) once,
   2. (b)
      1. (i) Mr Clem Sunter
      2. (ii) Kimberley Boys’ High School;
2. (2) departmental permission is not required when people other than teaching staff address schools after school hours with the permission of the principal;

Natal Education Department

1. (1) no,
   1. (a) and (b) fall away;
2. (2) falls away;

Orange Free State Education Department

1. (1) yes
   1. (a)
      1. (i) once,
      2. (ii) —
   2. (b)
      1. (i) Mr Clem Sunter
      2. (ii) pupil councils of all secondary schools on the Gold Fields;
2. (2) yes;

Transvaal Education Department

1. (1) yes,
   1. (a)
      1. (i) —
      2. (ii) once,
   2. (b)
      1. (i) Mr Clem Sunter
      2. (ii) Pretoria Boys’ High School;
2. (2) departmental permission is not required when people other than teaching staff address schools after school hours with the permission of the principal.

Mr Chairman, for the information of the hon member the reply is as follows: This function was organized with the permission and with the staff of the Director of Education of the Orange Free State. Several superintendents of education in the Free State were present at the function. Further, the Std 9s and Matrics were invited. Nobody was under any obligation to attend it. Further, it is within the rights and powers of the Director of Education to decide to have it in school hours. The Director of Education did this. The Director of Education is of the opinion, and I agree with that, that it was also an opportunity to inform high school pupils in a broader context than the academic tuition they receive at school. Thus it took place with his full approval, and I think it was in the interest of all the pupils that they could attend it.

Mr Chairman, naturally I did not ask this particular gentleman that.

The fact remains that the subject with which it dealt, is of importance to everybody in this country and also to White pupils. The faster the Opposition realizes that we do not live here in compartments, but also are bringing about intergroup liaison, acknowledging human dignity, building bridges and taking note of the realities of this country in the interest of our children, the better.

1. (1) Yes
2. (2) no, the committee has not completed its proceedings;
3. (3) no.

Mr Speaker, the hon member always comes with such a question following the previous one. I want to tell him that it is not the style of my Department to drag its heels, but it is also not the style of my Department to just do things without having made the necessary inquiries and consulted with the partners concerned, and the hon member should know that. We shall therefore make the result of that known as quickly as possible.

Order! I regret to have to inform the hon member that the time allotted for own affairs’ questions has expired.

Business interrupted in accordance with Rule 180C(3) of the Standing Rules of Parliament.

1. (1) No,
   1. (a) and (b) fall away;
2. (2) no, because the admission of students is the responsibility of the universities;
3. (3) no.

1. (1) Yes.
   1. (a) At least for the past 20 years.
   2. (b) The Division of Pesticide Dynamics of the Plant Protection Research Institute in Pretoria and certain departments at universities working under contract for the Institute.
   3. (c) The esearch done on the use and/or effect of pesticides on the environment forms part of a comprehensive research programme carried out in the interest of farmers and the consumers in the RSA. It is impossible to summarise the findings in a few words. The findings have been published in literally hundreds of scientific articles in international and local scientific journals and technical communications, some of which are issued by the Department of Agriculture and Water Supply. Amongst other this research gave rise to the total withdrawal or severe restriction of at least 27 pesticides.
      It is, however, important to note that the published research results are completely objective and that the decision to impose an embargo or limitation on a pesticide rests with the Registrar of Act 36 of 1947 and the Minister of Agriculture.
2. (2) Yes, the research findings are available to members of the public. In the form of scientific publications and scientific project reports.
3. (3) Yes, the research is of an ongoing nature, but according to thoroughly planned programmes that are dealt with in order of priority, taking into account the available manpower, equipment and funds. This programme involves 10 Research workers, 9 research Technicians and 4 research assistants. The budget for the financial year 1988/89 is R700 000 of which R307 000 is used for current expenditures. Nineteen research facets are conducted in this programme.

1. (1) No. As far as the Department is concerned there is no need for any changes to the present formula of subsidization of private schools.
2. (2) Primary = 15% to 45% X cost per unit as per pupil in state schools X total enrolment of the school.
   Secondary = 15% to 45% X cost per unit as per pupil in state schools X 1,5 X total enrolment of the school.
3. (3) A statement is not deemed necessary.

R347 527,83.

Order! I am obliged to say that a question is put to obtain information and facts. It requires a lot of work to obtain the information, and if the member concerned is not even present when it is replied to, I wonder for what reason the information was asked for. [Interjections.]